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Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare on XB1 has crushed blacks (pop).
- Thread starter SEGAvangelist
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Unless they use a custom upscaler like Ryse it will get the black crush.
SEGAvangelist
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That's BF4, btw, not CoD.
Haha... missed that.
SRTtoZ
Member
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Thats so bad. As someone who fickles with his TV and settings all the time to get the PERFECT picture, I don't think I could own an Xbox One without my OCD going crazy.
Where did I say that it bothers me? On the contrary, I'm really not a fan of crushed blacks... But by now, it's more of a "feature" of Microsoft systems than a bug. It won't change.
There's a link to his writeup in the third comment
Edit: The link again: http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/251650-console-accessories/suggestions/6041020-poor-black-levels
SEGAvangelist
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Primethius
Banned
...you're hurting me.
Insane Metal
Member
Isn't crushed blacks something that happens with every game on the XBone?
SEGAvangelist
Member
No. And you're not the first person to ask that in this thread.
Byron Bluth
Banned
The issue with crushed blacks and the usual performance/resolution/effects difference with Xbox One games is the main reason why I get all my multiplatform games for my PS4.
The crushed blacks honestly outweighs the rest of those items too.
The crushed blacks honestly outweighs the rest of those items too.
3rdamention
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One thing JStevenson did add, which seemed to be a surprise to many, is that the Limited Color Range is the Microsoft Standard for Xbox One. He was saying it will definitely crush the color if you change it to Full. The Full color range is only for when you use a Monitor that doesn't accept Limited Range. So basically, if you play on an HDTV of any kind, even if your HDTV supports a Full Color Range, you should still set the TV and Xbox One to Limited since that is what the Xbox One Supports.
He was telling everyone, first off, that you should make sure your TV and Xbox One are set to Limited. The actual brightness setting or something in Sunset is messed up, and they are going to fix it. But the Limited Setting would apply to all games.
Insane Metal
Member
Worst, black, crush, ever.Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
It even covers the crowd, wow.
SEGAvangelist
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Byron Bluth
Banned
What? It is a known issue with the Xbox One since launch that blacks are simply not represented properly. The sharpening filter for the 1080p uscaler was another one, which was fixed but the blacks issue still remains.
Can you provide details?
Edit: Looking at your posts you admit that there is a gamma issue with the Xbox One and developers need to code properly to adjust for it. How is this not an issue with the Xbox One? No all games do not have the issue if developers properly adjusted for it, but the issue comes from the Xbox One in the end.
Even with the developer adjustments, games still appear darker on Xbox One than on PS4/PC.
When it comes to X1, it's either 1080p or black crush below it!!!
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Can't you adjust it or something? Maybe something like sweetfx on the xbox? Can't be that hard to implement.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Not every game crushes the blacks. Play Forza 5, Forza Horizon, Killer Instinct (after season 2 patch), Ryse etc... Many developers adjust to the gamma curve and the games looks wonderful. There was also an issue with black crush for games that use the scaler. CoD uses a dynamic resolution so they built their own scaling routine, so I'm guessing that didn't account for the XB1's specific gamma curve in this case.
Not true. LocoCycle is in 1080p and has black crush. I believe Rayman Legends does too. It's not the same issue as the scaler in the case of those two games.
Jessie.Bristol
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But that isn't true either, there are a number of sub-1080p titles that don't exhibit black crush.
Besides Ryse, what else?
Because the developer compensated for the busted gamma curve
SEGAvangelist
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Killer Instinct (900p now), I think Shadow of Morder from what I've played, and Frostbyte games too as well (which also use a software scaler).
Do what this man says.
Chobel
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BF4, Shadow of Mordor and PvZ:GW. Probably there are more.
Summer Haze
Banned
FH2 was definitely crushed when I first played it. I noticed it on the very first race with the Hurican, I couldn't see any detail on the bottom rear of the car.
SEGAvangelist
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Strange. I haven't noticed it at all in this game.
EDIT: Could be a dynamic contrast choice by the developer like Sunset Overdrive?
Summer Haze
Banned
BF4 suffers from black crush on the X1. I posted an image of it on the last page.
Notice how almost all detail in the dark areas is completely lost on the X1 image. That's black crush.
And here's a GIF:
SEGAvangelist
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That image might be from the prerelease video from Digital Foundry. They mentioned in the final verdict that a software scaler was used in the launch day patch. Maybe they didn't account for the gamma curve, though. I remember the game looking dark.
Jessie.Bristol
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That is the old comparison from Digital Foundry from the Preview Event. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-face-off
Digital Foundry said:
Primethius
Banned
I just want to clear up some stuff (that I'm slightly confused about):
The issue is with the XB1 or OS itself and games that don't have black crush had devs adjust for the crappy gamma settings?
I took some pics in the SO thread of the black level test so I was always under the assumption that the issue was system wide.
Is the scaler issue different or the same here?
The issue is with the XB1 or OS itself and games that don't have black crush had devs adjust for the crappy gamma settings?
I took some pics in the SO thread of the black level test so I was always under the assumption that the issue was system wide.
Is the scaler issue different or the same here?
Chobel
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They released a patch that fixes the black crush few weeks later after release (using custom upscaler now), BF4 doesn't have this issue anymore.
Summer Haze
Banned
I never knew that. Thanks for clearing that up.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Yup. This gives me hope for Dragon Age: Inquisition.
Are people setting up there XBOX and TV settings correctly?.
Have my setting on my TV set to Dynamic Range Full and on my XB1 the Colour Space setting set to PC, the reverse would be Dynamic Range Limited and TV on XB1, and dont notice any crushed blacks...i know not every TV is capable of doing Full Dynamic range however
Have my setting on my TV set to Dynamic Range Full and on my XB1 the Colour Space setting set to PC, the reverse would be Dynamic Range Limited and TV on XB1, and dont notice any crushed blacks...i know not every TV is capable of doing Full Dynamic range however
Full / Limited has been proven to have no effect on black crush with the xbox one, unfortunately.
LyleLanley
Banned
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
I've played the trial of the game for an hour or two and it looks nothing like this to me.
Well i notice a considerable difference between the 2 settings
SEGAvangelist
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He means that even with the correct settings certain games and apps will suffer from crushed blacks.
A difference, sure. But that's not eliminating the crushed blacks, though
Exactly.
Is your X1 set to Limited RGB?
LyleLanley
Banned
Not sure.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
such pop. much colors. wow
Primethius
Banned
Full for me crushes the image even more in tests.
Fair enough. But when you do mind it, there's no option to have it look proper.
Windom Earle
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Do a comparison of one of the night scenes.
Chobel
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Some people do mind though, and unfortunately they can't undo that black crush.
R3TRODYCE
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I'm trying to figure out how to do it without overwriting my save.