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Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare on XB1 has crushed blacks (pop).
- Thread starter SEGAvangelist
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Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Wow.... That looks crushed as fuck.
bananafactory
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Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
...where's the crowd?
Americanmushroom
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Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Wtf is that?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Ok that's just ridiculous. They must have some weird settings at GB to get that level of crushed blacks.
Crushed blacks is where black levels on the lower end of the scale are shown as pure black instead of havine a gradient to them, like in this:
Causes you to lose a lot of detail in dark scenes.
rokkerkory
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MS really needs to fix this black crush issue.
The Xbones crushed blacks are on the console level, so no matter what monitor / tv you use, you are going to have the issue
SEGAvangelist
Member
This is pretty much unnecessary. We know the Full Range setting has issues with TVs that auto select the appropriate setting. We also know certain games cannot be adjusted to account for the loss of detail such as Dead Rising 3. A different TV isn't going to magically restore lost detail. At this point it's up to the game developers to account for the different gamma curve on XB1, and MS needs to get behind this like they do with trying to get developers to reach 1080p on the console.
Sounds fancy. Wish more games can look upscale.
Primethius
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If you don't have an issue, would you mind posting some XB1 pictures?
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Damn....
Wait, what? Are you denying the issue exists? It's been proven...
Summer Haze
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We're not just blind, we're also children.
Jessie.Bristol
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Is this something confirmed or just going by the video in the OP? I was watching a Twitch stream yesterday from The Race (with TMartn) and there were no crushed blacks in the stream. Could it have been the versions being captured with different brightness settings (with the capture card having a global brightness setting)?
JayhawkerStL
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It's a fake issue. I would be just as fake is Xbox fanboys repeatedly complained about the washed out look of PS4 games.
And Live 15 doesn't look anything like the photos posted here.
And Live 15 doesn't look anything like the photos posted here.
Summer Haze
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You can't be serious...
PS4 games looking washed-out is because they have their RGB set wrong. Which is corrected if you set it to match your TV's RGB setting. Setting your RGB right on the X1 still causes black crush. That's the difference. It's very much a real issue.
You sound like you're just in denial.
Ummmmm, the crushed blacks on numerous Xbone games have been completely proven. Many developers don't adjust for the jacked up gamma curve on the Xbone.
Zombie James
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Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Wow, this is horrible. Why wasn't this one if top priorities for firmware updates? Is a fix coming?
The problem is that if they fix it now, they'll fuck up the gamma on every game that was built to adjust for it.
CassidyIzABeast
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http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/251650-console-accessories/suggestions/6041020-poor-black-levels
vote it up on the feedback site
vote it up on the feedback site
Night Angel
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Not to mention that a lot of (incorrect) people think this is a good thing.
SEGAvangelist
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Fake issue... smh. Also, is this an actual case of "lazy developers" (don't shoot me) since many games out now seem to avoid the issue?
I wish there was a better written suggestion to up vote. Get on this, Sangreal!
Exactly. MS needs to get on developers about it. If they can send engineers to get games up to 1080p I think they can help them adjust to the XB1's gamma curve.
I wish there was a better written suggestion to up vote. Get on this, Sangreal!
Exactly. MS needs to get on developers about it. If they can send engineers to get games up to 1080p I think they can help them adjust to the XB1's gamma curve.
Indeed. All bout dat pop.
It's not just the brightness. If you raise the brightness, you're not going to regain that detail that's in the black area. It'll all just be grey. And it's a gamma issue. The Xbone (and the 360) use some bizarre gamma curve instead of the standard sRGB one
To explain, notice how the image on the right has more detail on the rocks, while the left looks darker? Like I mentioned above, raising the brightness won't get that detail back, because the blacks and near blacks are all being "crushed" together to form a singular black.
Unfortunately, a lot of people think that the darker image is better as it "pops" more. But they're not realizing that they're A) losing detail and B) seeing a scene darker than it's intended to be, usually.
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Now that I look more closely at it you are right. I immediately noticed something about the lighting being off, now I realize what is happening.
Cthulhu_Steev
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SEGAvangelist
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That NBA Live example is an extreme case of it. GB are obviously not capturing the game correctly.
EDIT: Or the poster is trolling.
EDIT 2: Just watched GB video. Poster not trolling. LOL GB is doing something wrong.
They probably use the default settings on everything. Not that that is really their fault.
Summer Haze
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Notice how almost all detail in the dark areas is completely lost on the X1 image. That's black crush.
SEGAvangelist
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No games look that bad unless you're using Full Range with a TV that can't process the signal correctly, though.
watch it yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnEO6YQlw1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnEO6YQlw1U
Watching GB quicklook of NBA Live 15, and it sure as hell looks like it suffers the same fate.
Good God!
None of my games look this bad on the X1..lol.
SEGAvangelist
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Just did. Looks terrible. Edited earlier post too.
Notice how almost all detail in the dark areas is completely lost on the X1 image. That's black crush.
Thanks. Added to OP.
I'm not sure how capture cards work in that regard.
Goodacre0081
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why wasn't crushed black problem fixed when they removed the sharpening filter?
Zombie James
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Notice how almost all detail in the dark areas is completely lost on the X1 image. That's black crush.
In a lot of ways this is just as bad as resolution differences.
all you need to look to is the number of people that come into threads like this and say things like "The Xbone has better colors" or "i like the 'pop.'" MS has chosen that gamma curve for a specific reason...the same reason that TV's are set on torch mode on display in stores with the contrast all jacked up. The human eye is naturally drawn to high contrast, overly saturated images...
Nope. Although removing that sharpening filter was one of their best decisions. I'll never forget that AC4 comparison thread.
Summer Haze
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That's BF4, btw, not CoD.
It's worse, imo. I'd take a res hit over that any day. At least you'd still be able to actually see your game at lower resolutions.