Looking at the DF video, the frame drops on PS4 are not 'rare', I would say the game is not 60fps close to 50% of the time.
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Eurogamer: COD: Advanced Warfare's campaign runs more smoothly on XB1 than on PS4
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Looking at the DF video, the frame drops on PS4 are not 'rare', I would say the game is not 60fps close to 50% of the time.
Same here. There is some in gameplay, particularly when dashing but I was hoping it would be there all the time. It's a little overdone in some scenes but it looks really good.
Pathfinder
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What I don't understand is the assumption that MP will be locked at 60fps on PS4 at 1080p, when the SP campaign dips down into the 40's from time to time.
Has there ever been a scenario where MP performed better than the single player campaign on a game?
Has there ever been a scenario where MP performed better than the single player campaign on a game?
LukasTaves
Member
I'd say it the first time it stays locked at 60 actually. They always have been "perceptual 60fps".
Its in the article.
Pathfinder
Member
It's kind of in the article. I'm curious about the frame rate tests and the actual numbers.
thelastword
Banned
looking at the video, I can see that the IQ is always superior on the PS4, I also noticed that the XBONE version is almost always at a lower resolution, maybe 99% of the time. This is very obvious in many scenes, especially the scene with the waterfall and next gen mortars.
I also noticed the downsides of the crushed blacks of the XBONE, look at the scene where a squad comes through a fencelike gate, you could clearly see dust and sand falling from the collapsed floor over their heads in the PS4 version, yet, all you see in the XBONE version is black around the squad-mates. Someone with video cutting skills, please help me out here.
The last thing I was able to make out is in the car-raid slo-mo bit, the motion blur looks higher quality on the PS4, I'm not sure if it only appears that way due to the crushed black imagery on XBONE, but it is something I noticed immediately when I first viewed the video.
I also noticed the downsides of the crushed blacks of the XBONE, look at the scene where a squad comes through a fencelike gate, you could clearly see dust and sand falling from the collapsed floor over their heads in the PS4 version, yet, all you see in the XBONE version is black around the squad-mates. Someone with video cutting skills, please help me out here.
The last thing I was able to make out is in the car-raid slo-mo bit, the motion blur looks higher quality on the PS4, I'm not sure if it only appears that way due to the crushed black imagery on XBONE, but it is something I noticed immediately when I first viewed the video.
MP has a significant visual downgrade compared to the campaign.
XGoldenboyX
Member
Barely smoother... and is less consistent in image quality!
Multiplayer performance analysis is now up: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...nced-warfare-multiplayer-performance-analysis
All COD games, most BF games.
SP in most games push a lot of graphical effects, animation, physics and particles on screen compared to MP.
EDIT: Well there you go, PS4 never dips in gamplay, only during killcam while Xbone dropped it for a split second due a shader effect filling the screen.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...nced-warfare-multiplayer-performance-analysis
Pathfinder
Member
Ahh, gotcha.
I'm more of a BF player so I'm used to the MP being a little more chuggy than SP in general.
To summarize, both hold 60 almost perfectly in MP gameplay with a couple hitches during killcams. XBO is 1360x1080 all the time, PS4 1920x1080.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
That phrasing. Minor, sporadic dips into the low 50s in the ps4 campaign is a big deal, but a constant resolution boost at the same framerate is a "like for like" experience.
DF plz
Read again rather than reading between the lines.
They are clearly talking about the gameplay there and it's right in there in the same sentence.
I highlighted the key terms for you.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Except resolution has a huge impact on your ability to pick out distant targets. Pretty sure that's gameplay.
Oh well, wouldn't be the first time that DF has played softball with their phrasing this gen.
Cornbread78
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BibiMaghoo
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ethomaz
Banned
This really begs the question of why not use a dynamic res on the PS4 as well??
if multiplayer is rock solid at 1080p...then leave both consoles the way they are, but if there are slight dips in the PS4 version of the campaign then why not go with the dynamic resolution...It would likely not need to drop as low as the Xbone version, or anywhere near as often and probably hold a 1920x1080 res for the vast majority of the time.
it just seems silly and dumb for Sledgehammer to go dynamic on one version to achieve a solid (or as close enough as makes no difference) 60fps on the Xbone, while keeping the PS4 locked at 1080p and suffering frame drops (as minor and sporadic as they may be)
if multiplayer is rock solid at 1080p...then leave both consoles the way they are, but if there are slight dips in the PS4 version of the campaign then why not go with the dynamic resolution...It would likely not need to drop as low as the Xbone version, or anywhere near as often and probably hold a 1920x1080 res for the vast majority of the time.
it just seems silly and dumb for Sledgehammer to go dynamic on one version to achieve a solid (or as close enough as makes no difference) 60fps on the Xbone, while keeping the PS4 locked at 1080p and suffering frame drops (as minor and sporadic as they may be)
Zero dips in MP from my playtime, it's rock solid and a ton of fun. They did a great job. Much better than ghosts.
ethomaz
Banned
The dips are so small and occasional that I prefer a optimization instead resolution drop... the issue is not the resolution... these little dips could be fixed with patches.
So why go with dynamic res? Makes no sense to me if the console can run at native and locked 1080p.
DF is starting to creep into an uncomfortable place in my eyes. By way of example, look at the tag lines for the two different articles:
For single player-
"Xbox One campaign gameplay runs more smoothly than PlayStation 4."
Clearly stating the Xbox version is better.
For multiplayer-
"Xbox One static at 1360x1080, while PS4 locks at full 1080p - but how's the frame-rate?"
Stating PS4 is the better resolution, but then casting doubt on whether its truly the better version for multiplayer, which it unquestionably is if you read the article. I know the article makes clear that the PS4 version is superior for multiplayer, but it seems great pains are taken to both report that and downplay it at the same time.
For single player-
"Xbox One campaign gameplay runs more smoothly than PlayStation 4."
Clearly stating the Xbox version is better.
For multiplayer-
"Xbox One static at 1360x1080, while PS4 locks at full 1080p - but how's the frame-rate?"
Stating PS4 is the better resolution, but then casting doubt on whether its truly the better version for multiplayer, which it unquestionably is if you read the article. I know the article makes clear that the PS4 version is superior for multiplayer, but it seems great pains are taken to both report that and downplay it at the same time.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I get what you're saying, but really, honestly, they are a website that exists by gaining clicks from articles that exist to fan the flames of war. I imagine an incredible volume of the people that go there do so not to see how a game runs, but to see how much better it runs on their console of choice. They started, are, and always will be in ''an uncomfortable place '' because of the nature of what they do.
rokkerkory
Member
Come on, generally every review asks questions like this especially in comparos. It's not innate to just DF. Look at car reviews or smart phone reviews, same thing.
As they said, not an issue that effects the game
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Who knows, maybe they will implement it in a later patch. As it stands, AW on PS4 runs at 1080p with v-sync on both SP and MP, at the framerate that every COD game ran for years, which is 60fps 95% of the time.
I honestly think they're just fine with it, and won't even care about it.
reynal1287
Member
Do they always split the articles for sp and mp? Seems like clickbait to me.
thelastword
Banned
I'm still trying to see the validity of this Dynamic Rez code that Sledgehammer is using, the XBONE version is not locked 60, seems to stay mostly at 1360*1080p and of course there's tearing.
The purpose of the dynamic resolution is to maintain 60fps throughout, but apparently their minimum is only 1360*1080p, since the XBONE still drops frames, it only means that there are times when the resolution needs to be even lower than the minimum.
Yeah, I get what you are saying. But I always thought the performance analysis was there to bluntly inform their readers which version is better, whatever version it may be. Intentionally downplaying the facts they are giving is a slippery slope, which I fear may eventually lead to bizarre IGNish statements such as you need a 50 inch TV to even get the benefits of 1080p.
and whats the excuse for making it seem as if 44% more is not important?
Whats the point of these consoles at all if 44% is not important? It is not 3%... 5%... 9%. It is 44% difference in resolution of both consoles.
lonedigitalwolf
Banned
Beer Monkey
Member
It would probably drop many, many more frames without dynamic res.
Even if there are rare dropped frames, that doesn't mean dynamic res is not a valid implementation.
I'd like to see a day when dynamic res is the standard, even if in some implementations it is almost never engaged.
Or that the game becomes CPU bound at points.
I'd rather have a variable framerate (especially when we're talking 5fps drops) over a variable resolution :S - dear god, I'm imagining that the game goes from looking washed out to super sharp back and forth with seconds in between on XB1. No thank you.
To be honest I'd rather they just kept it 900p on One than this.
To be honest I'd rather they just kept it 900p on One than this.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Coming soon from a clerk at a retailer near you: "The Xbox One version is better than PS4. It runs at 1360p while the PS4 version runs at 1080p."
Please don't give MS marketing department new ideas.
When the difference is that much it becomes unbalanced. It needs to be in the order of 880x720 vs 832x624, in which case it is a world away.
cleveridea
Member
Surely switching resolution dynamically must be pretty noticeable right?
Really not sure what would be best for SP since I hate screen tearing. Sounds like Xbox one runs better but what's the likelihood of another PS4 patch to give same feature.
Also why no promotion of zombie mode? I don't play PVP so $60 is way too high for SP only. A good coop zombie mode will mean provably buy with the target B2G1 with evil within
Really not sure what would be best for SP since I hate screen tearing. Sounds like Xbox one runs better but what's the likelihood of another PS4 patch to give same feature.
Also why no promotion of zombie mode? I don't play PVP so $60 is way too high for SP only. A good coop zombie mode will mean provably buy with the target B2G1 with evil within
I guess you didnt read the foundry analysis, because they say, it rarely does, only when not much is happening.
We just posted a few 1080p 60fps videos from the Xbox One version (we didn't get the PS4 version, sorry):
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_our_xbox_one_videos_of_br_call_of_duty_advanced_warfare-16023_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_our_xbox_one_videos_of_br_call_of_duty_advanced_warfare-16023_en.html
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Pixel count doesn't translate linearly to the perceived image quality. Also I don't get how you come to 44%, when I divide the difference between the resolutions by the smaller resolution (which would indicate the %-jump), I end up at 41%, the small resolution is 71% of the bigger resolution. Just for comparison: The jump from 480i to 480p is a 100% jump and the smaller resolution is 50% of the bigger resolution. From my perspective, less than half the jump from i to p qualifies as "not important"
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