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DirectX 12 will not be supported by Windows 7
- Thread starter Sajjaja
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Good. Leave that old shit behind rather than wasting resources to support it.
It's clear that DX12's adoption would be faster had it been compatible with gaming's most popular OS but I don't think this will prevent it from becoming the standard relatively quickly.
The fact that Fermi (400/500), Kepler (600/700), Maxwell (900) and GCN are DX12 compatible means there must already be a sustainable base for DX12 to build upon.
Syphon Filter
Member
Windows 7 is far far better for gaming than 8.
Visualante2
Member
You're almost softening the blow by saying it's expected. It's just shitty.
Is it really? To me it feels like there are marketing people calling the shots when it should be a broader decision about what is best for DirectX developers and card manufacturers. Microsoft is willing to throw this under the bus just to get a bullet point for Windows 8.
Robottiimu2000
Member
I hope I'm playing my games on SteamOS when this starts to be relevant.
I'm pretty sure those businesses have no interest in DirectX 12 for gaming purposes anyway. And if you're talking about update support, they'll still provide continued support for businesses.
Seriously, who the fuck actually prefers 7?
Using Start8?
I'm not against this if there are technical reasons behind this. As much as I like Win7 it is going to be 6 years old when DX 12 comes out.
In what ways?
XxRampage07xX
Member
Expected! Microsoft needs to sell Windows 8 and 10 too 
Sentenza
Member
Almost every single CPU on the market since 2004 has been a 64 bit model and yet the heavy presence of 32 bit operating systems has slowed down games moving to 64 bit as a requirement since barely few months ago, where it started to become the standard.
I'm not sure I feel as much of an optimist as you.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'll wait for Windows 9 support, I can't wait that long for 10!
Syphon Filter
Member
Windows 7 is better than 8 for gaming because there are framerate issues for older titles on the same exact machine. For example i can get 60 fps or more for UT 99 on the same machine with w7 and if i am on w8 with the same machine then its 30 or lower. It has been a huge issue that they never fixed for some reason.
Sentenza
Member
Nope, i don't like to install bloatware and I virtually never used the W7 Start menu anyway.
I just do virtually anything from the desktop without ever having to open Metro.
false. No DX11.2 support and generally worse framerate in the newer games.
MrCunningham
Member
This shouldn't really come as any surprise. I guess MS wants to just heard everyone like cattle to their newest OS. I am still on Windows 7 and I have no plans to move to 8.1. But I might make the upgrade when Windows 8.2 comes available.
I don't really use Windows for anything beyond gaming anyway. I find that I have been using Linux for everything else.
I don't really use Windows for anything beyond gaming anyway. I find that I have been using Linux for everything else.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Windows 10 doesn't look awful, so I'm not bothered by this predictable turn of events.
Syphon Filter
Member
What game has worse framerate? Ironically the framerate is crap for older games in windows 8,i prefer to play a variety and bigger library with good framerate than a small amount.
Visualante2
Member
I also love the mouse bugs that I can't seem to fix in Windows 8.1 because they decided to change the way high DPI mouse are interpreted. #1 OS for gaming confirmed.
It looks like there's a workaround for that at the end of the bug thread.
Syphon Filter
Member
Of course i tried and still has the issue, it's a known issue that they haven't fixed.
I can't tell if you're pulling my leg here. The translucent GUI was worst decision to hit the Windows interface.
Alright.
In the case of 64 bits games the reason is (in my opinion) that there was (until recently) only one platform which was 64 bits. Now that the PS4/XBO are 64 bits based we naturally see it being the baseline rather than a dreamy expectation. You could make the same case for DX11 vs DX9. In a multiplatform environment consoles weigh more than PC, that's not a state of affair we like to acknowledge but that's the reality of things.
As you're well aware DX11 is causing quite a lot of trouble to developpers and console APIs are closer to this low level approach to the hardware than DX11, therefore with DX12 being on Xbox One and PC with PS4 sharing (I assume) a lot with it at least on a phisosophical level (the term is not well chosen but you get my point) we can easily see DX12 being adopted quickly and DX11 fading into irrelevance pretty soon.
I'm not expecting games to be DX12 only for a while, fall 2015 games will have both a DX11 and DX12 path with probably graphical differences between the two : Nvidia/AMD are supporting, assisting devs to implement DX12 after all.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Not surprising. Hopefully Windows 10 will be a good OS to upgrade to.
Vista was an inherently terrible OS to begin with. 8 had issues which 8.1 fixed. 10 should be a step in the right direction as well. I'm still waiting for the presentation of the consumer side of things but that won't be until next year.
Whoa now. Aero peek is one of the best productivity improvements in a long time. Granted, whoever set the default border size to 4px was crazy, but that can be changed.
abracadaver
Member
In which games is this the case?
I can't find benchmarks that show a clear advantage for 8.1
MrCunningham
Member
The combination of the popularity of Windows XP with the long and healthy run of the Xbox 360 pretty much ensured the long lifespan of DX9. It took DX11 and Windows 7 to finally de-throne it.
Sentenza
Member
But Mantle being a crossplatform solution is just bullshit.
It's specifically written to support an AMD chipset and what AMD actually means with that claim is more or less "Oh, you know, we'll release some code so if you want you can take it as a track and write your own Mantle-inspired API.
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