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DirectX 12 will not be supported by Windows 7
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I'll take it :3
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Why pay unless there's a compelling reason to? If DX12 is offers a significant performance increase for games then maybe W10 would be worth a $100 asking price. Otherwise, that's $100 that could go towards games or new hardware.
11.3 has everything except the optimizations that reduce processor overhead. That's still a DX12 exclusive.
justsomeguy
Member
Hoping so. Have been using w10 for a while now and Imo it is awesome.
As wedded as people are to w7, (quite reasonably), it's unlikely ms would offer support on an os that is 2 versions old by then.
Honestly w8.1 plus a free start menu is a good upgrade from w7.
Because i don't want to pay however many $100's to buy it?
HighResTomato
Member
Bought a Windows 8.1 copy for £49,99 if Windows 10 is going to have a reasonable upgrade price I don't see why anyone wouldn't upgrade to 8.1 or even straight to 10.
Yh I know
Was just wondering if they would do that because of adoption from devs. The difference between the two like you said is that because DX11.3 does some "hand owning" whilst DX12 is all up to the devs.justsomeguy
Member
Are you running w10? Or just basing that on reviews?
If the former what do you see as being inferior to w7? I can't see a single way 7 beats 10 so far.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Windows 8.1 with classic shell is the way to go.
It was like $15 when Windows 8 came out. I upgraded all my PCs
martino
Member
yes they force people and facts clearly show that.
i'm pretty sure not a lot of recent solftware and advanced feature in open source world are ported to work for 6 years old core even if you can do it if you want.
You can't blame microsoft to move forward because they do proprietary solftware.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
This is shocking how? It's standard procedure for Microsoft.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Not shocking, I said I knew they were going to do this.
Windows 8 was just tainted really early on by Microsoft's decision to try to make it a tablet OS running on desktop. Despite whatever optimizations or advantages it may have over W7, that was the selling point Microsoft went with, and people rejected it. I haven't seen Microsoft going around advertising all the under-the-hood advantages W8 has in some kind of "okay, we fucked up" re-brand. Well, Windows 10 basically is that re-brand.
Thus continues the cycle of Windows OSs: The OS that clumsily tries to shoehorn new ideas people don't want, followed by the OS that shaves and refines those features into something people actually do want.
As for DX12, depending on Windows 10's release date and reception, I agree that this could just end up limiting developer adoption of DX12 rather than speeding up adoption of Microsoft's latest OS. I certainly don't think it's going to significantly speed up W8 adoption.
Thus continues the cycle of Windows OSs: The OS that clumsily tries to shoehorn new ideas people don't want, followed by the OS that shaves and refines those features into something people actually do want.
As for DX12, depending on Windows 10's release date and reception, I agree that this could just end up limiting developer adoption of DX12 rather than speeding up adoption of Microsoft's latest OS. I certainly don't think it's going to significantly speed up W8 adoption.
dr_rus
Member
That's a stupid move on Microsoft's part but since it's Microsoft it was pretty much expected.
Not sold on Win10 yet. It looks like they're bringing back the Start Menu while not really figuring out why it was so popular in the first place. The whole Win10 Start Menu functions much like Vista/7/8 Games folder. Which isn't much better compared to how 8's Start screen functions and certainly won't solve the 8's Start problems for me.
Not sold on Win10 yet. It looks like they're bringing back the Start Menu while not really figuring out why it was so popular in the first place. The whole Win10 Start Menu functions much like Vista/7/8 Games folder. Which isn't much better compared to how 8's Start screen functions and certainly won't solve the 8's Start problems for me.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I misread that then, my mistake.
Personal Opinion
Building a new PC and will be installing Win7 anyway. It's been a great OS, and I have it running on all systems in my home networked together. Also all of my apps and hardware/drivers run comfortably and I don't want to risk some of them not working or not having current drivers on Win X.
They can keep their DX12. That alone is far from being a compelling enough reason for me to switch to their new OS considering I do not use my PC solely for gaming.
They can keep their DX12. That alone is far from being a compelling enough reason for me to switch to their new OS considering I do not use my PC solely for gaming.
Locuza
Member
But it's not only "force", technical reasons also exists.
Leafhopper
Banned
I think I'll try it over Winter. I got windows 7 and recently 8.1 for free from my college. So ill give it a shot.
Syphon Filter
Member
Huh? The start menu works just like the old 7 and xp one's. same layout and all programs with smaller icons,titles,etc
martino
Member
it was sarcasm...in fact xp and 7 are fact that prove otherwise.
I know they are also tehnical reason (like the huge change in wddm)
Nope.
And I'm surprised not all gamers already moved to W8.1 anyway, it's a snappy OS.
(although I used to be one of the haters, but then when 8.1 came I nabbed my wife's W8Pro student license offer and installed it on my new rig (and left her in the W7 dust..) - And I never looked back
better tech = personal opinion?
besides, I remember when Windows 7 came out and gamers refused to leave Windows XP. Acceptance for a new OS takes some time I guess.
that said, I am perfectly fine with Windows 8.1
Because Windows 10 is coming. Why buy Windows 8 if Windows 10 is coming? And Windows 7 work perfectly for me right now. I tried Windows 8. But everything is so... weird. The menus and all that didnt work, like it didnt make sense. Might need to have a Windows 8 machine to try stuff on. Or I might see what Linux has to offer.
They did what most people expected them to do. For all of my aversion towards Windows 8 I have found it easy to use the few times I've worked with it but granted that has been on Surface tablets so I will reserve judgement for when I get my new laptop.
Since I was ordering a new laptop last week I figured I'd get it with Windows 8 due to the possibility of DirectX exclusivity and the potential for Microsoft to offer an upgrade path to Windows 10 for current users. Plus I had a license for 7 that was unused so I can always go back.
Hopefully it will live up to what they've promoted and will provide a nice boost but guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
Since I was ordering a new laptop last week I figured I'd get it with Windows 8 due to the possibility of DirectX exclusivity and the potential for Microsoft to offer an upgrade path to Windows 10 for current users. Plus I had a license for 7 that was unused so I can always go back.
Hopefully it will live up to what they've promoted and will provide a nice boost but guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
ecosse_011172
Junior Member
I just switched from Windows 7 to 8.1 and I'm going straight back.
With Windows 8 I can no longer use speed fan to keep my PC nice and quiet....
martino
Member
using start menu means keep using windows like you did starting with win95/98.
Win7 works like osx. Using at its full potential the bottom bar become the dock and start menu (or modern ui in win 8 ) become the finder.
you click on the bottom for more common app or push win key and type what you are looking for otherwise.
Yes it is a big reap off but it is damm effective when you're used to it.
you can't go back to win95/98 start menu use of the system
Woo-Fu
Banned
Like every other desktop OS on an SSD.
People don't hate Windows 8, they hate Metro on non-touchscreen devices and I don't blame them. Microsoft was dreaming of a tablet future that never happened when they came up with the good idea of making Metro the default UI for Windows 8. Kind of bizarre considering anybody on the outside looking in could have told them it wasn't going to happen, at least not on Microsoft hardware.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
So this means that no devs will actually use DX12 for like 5 more years?
What is this about Metro, I don't see any Metro on my W8.1, it boots directly to desktop, what's the big deal.
And that is relevant because ..?
Unknown Soldier
Member
Great, but did you know there are other games in the world besides BF4?
Hopefully the Win7 -> Win10 upgrade pricing will be nominal at most, encouraging swift adoption of 10. From the technical preview, Win10 really does fix just about everything wrong with Win8 and, in purely desktop-centric form, is a dramatic improvement over Win7 as well.
Unless Microsoft marketing totally botches the rollout of Win10, it should be as ubiquitous a version of Windows as Yosemite is of OS X.
Guess you never use the start menu or start button.
I don't think it's all that surprising, but the Halo 2 on Vista thing was a whole other thing entirely (why does a game made for hardware that's basically DirectX 8.1 need DirectX 10 to run? It doesn't).
DirectX 11 not supporting XP hasn't prevented it from being widely used.
Your Entertainer
Member
Been two years happy on Windows 8 and now 8.1. Bring it on.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Ah, the joys of running a monopoly.
Boombloxer
Member
Pretty much. Adoption is going to be pretty slow.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Please upgrade to Win 8 or 10. You are on a old and slow OS. Please deal with that.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
As is tradition, of course.
It'll be used more than people think because it'll be easier porting Xbox One games from DX12 built PC games. DX12 was built with that in mind.
He was taking a relevant example of a game using DX11.1.
Obviously, games not using it won't show improvements compared to W7.
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