-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Aonuma sheds more light on Majora Mask 3D. (Fishing in 2 places, New 3DS tease, etc)
- Thread starter axisofweevils
- Start date
The Xtortionist
Member
I'll admit that 'lil 10 year old Xtortionist miserably failed the first cycle after buying the game and hated the goddamn thing. Felt like I wasted so much time and wasn't really sure where I went wrong. I love the game now, but the first impression was awful.
The very first cycle is really quite unclear so I can't blame you for that. Plus you have that timer that's constantly saying "you better figure it out pretty quick because you ain't got time for that shit!".
themagicalkitsune
Member
Fishing by the full moon? Link is a romantic soul.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Dont you mean fishing on the moon?
evilromero
Member
I'd be into that. Also, a higher frame rate option on the n3DS would be a definite incentive for me. Though I'll be wanting to see more exclusive features or software before even considering a purchase.
I probably would've struggled myself if it weren't for the fact I had read the Nintendo Power preview front to back multiple times. It taught me where to go, what to do, etc. But under normal circumstances, going in blind, I could definitely see the first 72-hour cycle giving people trouble. It's not very intuitive, and there's a lot of pressure since you can't slow time at that point in the game.
I want them to keep the same sequence of events, but just have NPCs give you more hints, and maybe Tatl, too, like SegaShack suggested. I think that'll help more people complete the first 72 hours with time to spare. And if they can do that, chances are they'll stick with the game until they've beat it.
Dorsal Axe
Member
I had a feeling fishing was going to be in the remake. They talked about it a lot before the original game came out:
Plus the game has unused fish items which are supposedly remnants from the fishing minigame.
Plus the game has unused fish items which are supposedly remnants from the fishing minigame.
Already deconfirmed.
Lady Siara
Member
Fair point. I had forgotten that the Xenoblade port was in a Japanese direct.
I'm considering a New 3DS anyways but if this port had been built from the ground up for it exclusively, well, I'd pretty much have to buy it. It'd be a great way to move systems but I'm happy any 3DS/2DS owner can play it.
My understanding is that the GPU is actually pretty capable in the 3DS but the CPU is so weak that almost all games are CPU bound. Adding a significantly faster CPU could speed up the framerate in many games.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
zeldarocks
Neo Member
Fun Fact: Majora's Mask was supposed to include a fishing minigame, but was scrapped from the original game.
http://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Majora's_Mask#Hylian_Loach
http://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Majora's_Mask#Hylian_Loach
m_shortpants
Member
I wonder which boss they changed? Maybe Twinrova? Majora was decently hard without Fierce Deity, maybe that one? Otherwise they were all fairly easy.
zeldarocks
Neo Member
Aren't all recent Youtube videos given the ability to play at 60 FPS so long as a 720 or 1080 option is available?
Considering Smash looks as great as it does and is 60, and that OoT was made much earlier in 3DS's life-cycle it wouldn't surprise me if the game runs 60fps (It doesn't look like stable 60fps) on the original 3DS too, also when you consider Grezzo have had more time to fine-tune the engine on 3DS.
Maybe, but Youtube doesn't magically convert a 30 FPS into an apparent 60, and this video is obviously running at 60.
You might Gyorg underwater, right? So that could be hard for people. I don't remember that fight too well, though.
I assume the game will have a stable 30 for gameplay. I don't think they'd want to change the feel of the game so significantly.
DoctorFling
Member
Oh snap, does anyone think they'll add in the selfies from WWHD? Loved that feature.
Gyorg is hard for all the wrong reasons. If the camera was better that fight would be a cake walk. I do think he was the one changed though, why add fishing if you can't fish out the fish boss.
xDUMPWEEDx
Banned
Can't wait to pick up this and a N3DS XL. Day 1. MM is a system seller.
PhazonBlazer
Member
Same, I had to drag myself through the Great Bay Temple.
That interview someone posted earlier, with Shiggy talking about fishing for a Jabu Jabu-sized fish in Zelda Gaiden, has me intrigued. It would be amazing if they incorporated that into the Gyorg boss battle.
Refreshment.01
Member
No, camera controls it is.
If there's a new dungeon, they won't just reveal that in a Famitsu interview. They'd make a bigger deal out of that.
Already deconfirmed.
And thank fuck for that. If you can't finish a Zelda dungeon in three hours, you have a bigger problem than the timer.
Oh god the Pictobox! I totally forgot that it existed in this game, now I hope they do this and integrate it to miiverse like wind waker.
Refreshment.01
Member
This is a no brainer. In fact given the precedence this game plays to it's characters and interactions we can say that it makes more sense to have the pictobox functionality in Majora than in Wind Waker.
They could even expand the game by adding some extra pictobox side quests.
Also im VERY pleased with this lil teaser of information, was expecting Nintendo to hold off given details about it until the holidays were past.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Ooh, good point. I bet that's it, and maybe it'll help you to fight him on land? I wonder if Zelda continuity-heads will be bothered by such an extreme change, though!
I'm also skeptical the game will be 60 fps. Someone noted this might require them to extensively rework the animations. While I'm not sure that's true, I do know that the video being 60 fps doesn't necessarily mean the game is, too.
On the other hand... According to Iwata Asks, Nintendo made ALBW run at 60 fps because it stabilized the 3D effect. So perhaps in a post-ALBW world, Nintendo wants to make its 3DS Zeldas run at 60 fps, believing it's best for 3D.
Then again, MM3D's development may have preceded ALBW, being three years now. So who knows.
It really would. You can actually fish out some giant water bosses in the Monster Hunter series which is where I got the inspiration for fishing out Gyorg from.
They probably would be but then again they'd probably be bothered by any change.
I want to say I read that they don't plan for non-2D Zeldas to run at 60 fps. But, I see what you mean about the 3D, that is a good point. Is 3DL 60 fps? I want to say it felt like 30 to me.
Yeah, that's true. I'm all in favor of any changes they want to make to improve the experience, though, so long as the core of the game is unchanged.
With a sword stand (piss-yellow sword stand).
stan423321
Member
Unfortunately I think you are wrong. 3DS doesn't have a very modern overall architecture, therefore you basically can't do much on its GPU. It appears everything is CPU bound there.
Refreshment.01
Member
The demands in terms of hardware for ALBW and Majora's are completely different. Citing the Aonuma comment regarding how 60 fps stabilized the 3D effect doesn't mean much because it seems the 3DS is not capable enough to run a game with the requiments of Majora at 60 fps.
For example, it didn't look like there was much hardware resources left for Ocarina as Grezzo didn't opt to have better quailty shadows or smoother frame rates when not using the 3D effect.
For me, it is pretty save to expect this game not runing at 60 fps with the 3D effect, or even with it off.
What im really looking forward to is the UI and inventory management. Would really like something functional and groundbracking in this regard. Because potential breakthroughs we have in this department could end up appearing in the next Zelda console game. There's so much input options in the 3DS/Wii U to offer something meaningful in terms of UI, here's hoping proper care is invested is this aspect of the game.
TheMoon
Member
SM3DL was 30fps, yes.
Feels so weird going back to play it in 30 fps after 3DW. I couldn't get into it at all. I presume I'll get used to it--I do want to play back through it--but it's weird.
Hopefully, but I wouldn't entertain that video as evidence. That obviously isn't 60 FPS motion.
zeldarocks
Neo Member
Here is a fuller exposition of the Famitsu interview:
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/14/legend-zelda-majoras-mask-3d-changes-boss-fights-adds-fishing/
Grezzo is indeed undertaking the remake, Anouma originally did not want to work on the remake, replaying the original to see what he would like to change.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/14/legend-zelda-majoras-mask-3d-changes-boss-fights-adds-fishing/
Grezzo is indeed undertaking the remake, Anouma originally did not want to work on the remake, replaying the original to see what he would like to change.
Hmm so
- Two New Fishing Areas
- No graphical changes for new 3DS, but some other changes? (C-stick?)
No 60FPS N3DS version maybe.
Otakumegane
Member
The clock in the NoA trailer runs at 60fps.
The actual game footage is 30.
The actual game footage is 30.
Dorsal Axe
Member
Aonuma said:
I wonder if they've brought back that alternate outcome with Jabu Jabu stopping the moon?
Or maybe he's hinting at fishing Gyorg out of the pool. Seems odd that there would be two separate fishing ponds, unless one of those was inside a boss chamber. Could the other one be that new area in Clock Town?
Similar threads
- Locked