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Puella Magi Madoka Magica |OT| - It's a magical girl anime!

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Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
So I just started watching this today, after finishing up Nichijou (which was amazing). Two episodes in so far, and while it seems a bit slow to get going, I'm enjoying it. Even though thanks to the terrible way Crunchyroll handles their episode summaries, I've already gotten a HUGE spoiler (accidentally held my mouse over a later episode for a couple seconds and found out that
Sayaka dies
). I'll try not to let that hamper my enjoyment, though.
 
So I just started watching this today, after finishing up Nichijou (which was amazing). Two episodes in so far, and while it seems a bit slow to get going, I'm enjoying it. Even though thanks to the terrible way Crunchyroll handles their episode summaries, I've already gotten a HUGE spoiler (accidentally held my mouse over a later episode for a couple seconds and found out that
Sayaka dies
). I'll try not to let that hamper my enjoyment, though.
Enjoy! Having that spoiled shouldn't hurt your enjoyment of the show. There's more to it(the show and the spoiler) than that.
 
So I just started watching this today, after finishing up Nichijou (which was amazing). Two episodes in so far, and while it seems a bit slow to get going, I'm enjoying it. Even though thanks to the terrible way Crunchyroll handles their episode summaries, I've already gotten a HUGE spoiler (accidentally held my mouse over a later episode for a couple seconds and found out that
Sayaka dies
). I'll try not to let that hamper my enjoyment, though.

Definitely not the worst spoiler you could have gotten. Just keep watching and you'll be fine.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
So can this legally be watched for free anywhere? That happens with anime sometimes so I was just wondering. I should also get around to watching Gurren Lagann and Kids on the Slope.
 
So I just finished episode 10.

HOLY FUCK, THIS SHOW. I feel like curling up in a ball in the corner and crying for days.
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Madoka ultimately didn't live up to my expectations(I've yet to get through a single full rewatch), but episode 10 is probably one of the greatest episodes of television I've ever seen.
 

Jarmel

Banned
Actually rewatched the first four. While there definitely are some inconsistencies(very minor ones though), holy shit is it amazing to rewatch the trainwreck.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Honestly, if Sayaka's story didn't affect you in any way, you must be some special kind of monster.

Every day a new fan-art is created to further hamper the sadness. Just look at this and tell me you aren't choking up: http://i.imgur.com/uMH5H.jpg

I felt a little bad for her, but overall I guess I must be that monster you're talking about.

In fact I was weird, I genearally didn't like the cast of Madoka but I totally fell in love with Homura and everything she went through and I was totally cheering for her at the end.

So I kinda disliked the series from Ep 1-9 fell hard for it as a whole with 10 and 11 and then hated the ending.
 

Videoneon

Member
Just finished. Holy shit, dat ending.

I'm still processing it all. Just...holy shit.

It was really the only thing I didn't care for in the anime, and I ended up loving the shit out of it once I got past the first episode. I thought Kyouko and Sayaka got progressively more annoying throughout the course of the anime, but they didn't detract much from my enjoyment of the show.

even though Homura's sense of attachment was basically batshit insane, it was somehow a lot less annoying than Kyouko except for that one long scene with Madoka and Homura talking. I feel bad for Sayaka, and it sucks that she took on something with good intentions but didn't realize that she was being duped on some level and wasn't emotionally ready for even the face-value demands of being a magical girl...but she folds so quickly
 

SOLDIER

Member
I don't want to say I dislike Homura, when in truth its her fanbase that I find grating (as well as the insistent marketing focus on Homura).

I feel she's popular for the wrong reasons. I found Homura much more interesting as an antagonist of sorts, going through gray lengths to achieve her objectives without fully realizing how obsessive she's become.

I summarized her idealogy in a simple comic (spoilers): http://i.imgur.com/YfcSa.jpg

And if you've seen this image posted around (also spoilers), I'm the one who made it: http://i.imgur.com/zhyzi.jpg

This line bothered me too, even though most insist that "she could have two best friends" Most likely they weren't trying to demote Sayaka in any way, but the wording could have been phrased a little better.

But the reason it bothers me is that, of what has been shown so far, Madoka and Homura have a very boring, stale dynamic. In the PSP game and other supplementary material, the majority of their conversations is basically "Kaname San!" or "Homura Chan!". Regardless of whether you view them as lovers or just friends, they make for a very boring "couple".

Meanwhile, Madoka and Sayaka have a far better relationship that's lasted for years (not counting Homura's constant time jumps), and was also the basis for a good majority of the show. Part of the reason you emphasized with Sayaka was because how much Madoka cared about her. Seeing Madoka cradle Sayaka's body while in tears is honestly one of the saddest images I've ever seen, and the final scene with the two of them in episode 12 hints that they were able to reunite and return to normal (they were in their school uniforms), or at least be together in the afterlife. Sayaka always dedicated herself to protecting her best friend, so it's not a stretch to think that she has "evolved" like Madoka as a knight to forever protect her goddess.

In short, Madoka and Homura are only "best friends" because the plot said so. It contradicts the best friends we were clearly exposed to for most of the series.
 
I don't want to say I dislike Homura, when in truth its her fanbase that I find grating (as well as the insistent marketing focus on Homura).

I feel she's popular for the wrong reasons. I found Homura much more interesting as an antagonist of sorts, going through gray lengths to achieve her objectives without fully realizing how obsessive she's become.

I summarized her idealogy in a simple comic (spoilers): http://i.imgur.com/YfcSa.jpg

And if you've seen this image posted around (also spoilers), I'm the one who made it: http://i.imgur.com/zhyzi.jpg

This line bothered me too, even though most insist that "she could have two best friends" Most likely they weren't trying to demote Sayaka in any way, but the wording could have been phrased a little better.

But the reason it bothers me is that, of what has been shown so far, Madoka and Homura have a very boring, stale dynamic. In the PSP game and other supplementary material, the majority of their conversations is basically "Kaname San!" or "Homura Chan!". Regardless of whether you view them as lovers or just friends, they make for a very boring "couple".

Meanwhile, Madoka and Sayaka have a far better relationship that's lasted for years (not counting Homura's constant time jumps), and was also the basis for a good majority of the show. Part of the reason you emphasized with Sayaka was because how much Madoka cared about her. Seeing Madoka cradle Sayaka's body while in tears is honestly one of the saddest images I've ever seen, and the final scene with the two of them in episode 12 hints that they were able to reunite and return to normal (they were in their school uniforms), or at least be together in the afterlife. Sayaka always dedicated herself to protecting her best friend, so it's not a stretch to think that she has "evolved" like Madoka as a knight to forever protect her goddess.

In short, Madoka and Homura are only "best friends" because the plot said so. It contradicts the best friends we were clearly exposed to for most of the series.
Madoka's relationship(platonic/romantic/whatever) with Homura makes sense. Madoka was a total maternal figure and Homu wanted/needed desperately to be nurtured. Their personalities fit like a glove. A sexy, lesbian, mildly incestual glove.

edit: this gif explains everything.
 

Erigu

Member
if you've seen this image posted around (also spoilers), I'm the one who made it: http://i.imgur.com/zhyzi.jpg

This line bothered me too, even though most insist that "she could have two best friends" Most likely they weren't trying to demote Sayaka in any way, but the wording could have been phrased a little better.
I feel the wording isn't that bad in Japanese. There would be other ways to actually mean "my #1 friend (and here's the ranking, by the way)". The one they picked ("saikô no tomodachi") is more like... I dunno, "the best friend one could hope for"? "Everything you could ask for in a friend"? It's not so much about Homura being above Madoka's other friends, but rather about how Madoka couldn't possibly complain about Homura's friendship.
 

SOLDIER

Member
I feel the wording isn't that bad in Japanese. There would be other ways to actually mean "my #1 friend (and here's the ranking, by the way)". The one they picked ("saikô no tomodachi") is more like... I dunno, "the best friend one could hope for"? "Everything you could ask for in a friend"? It's not so much about Homura being above Madoka's other friends, but rather about how Madoka couldn't possibly complain about Homura's friendship.

That sounds more believable. The official subs from Hulu kind of worded the phrase around that way ("You've been my best friend all along" or some such).

I still wish they went with a different kind of phrase, maybe something like "You were truly a good friend" or even "I love you"...which would have opened up a different can of worms, but that hasn't stopped the yuri crowd anyway.

The official website even specifically lists Sayaka as "Madoka's best friend", which was obvious to anyone from the start. The novel even hinted that Madoka was the one who shaped Sayaka into becoming a soldier of justice in the first place, thanks to her never-ending desire to protect her best friend.


Madoka's relationship(platonic/romantic/whatever) with Homura makes sense. Madoka was a total maternal figure and Homu wanted/needed desperately to be nurtured. Their personalities fit like a glove. A sexy, lesbian, mildly incestual glove.

edit: this gif explains everything.

That's how I viewed it as well, and it's especially ironic considering

that in the novel (which is all told from Madoka's POV), Madoka feels that her relationship with Sayaka isn't equal, since she's always the one protecting Madoka. Her relationship with Homura is basically Madoka becoming Homura's "Sayaka", which is sweet but also counterproductive.

As I said before, time-jumping Homura works better as an antagonist. Yes, she does have a legitimate reason for being cold and detached, but she's also deluded into thinking that Madoka can live happily ever after with her if she saves her from contracting...even though she also loses Sayaka and the others in the process.

At one point, she plans to kill Sayaka so "Madoka won't suffer", which sounds ridiculous. If you interpret this as Homura's obsession reaching a point where she'll try to take out her "greatest competition", it makes more sense. Basically, Homura is trying to do the self-sacrificing thing, but also doesn't realize how misguided her actions are and how they will inevitably cause Madoka suffering, whether she realizes it or not.

That's why I personally interpret their final moment together in episode 12 as Madoka subtly telling Homura to "let go", to live her life without devoting it entirely to Madoka, and forming the bonds she once shared with the other three girls.

The "needs of the many" concept also applies to Madoka and Sayaka's conversation in episode 12. It was Madoka's fondest wish to find a way to save Sayaka's life, but she ultimately decided that Sayaka's wish was more important to her (even more important than her life). The two of them gave up everything they had in order to fulfill the happiness of others.

I really hope the movies expand on these concepts, instead of just turning it into "Look how awesome Homura is! She's not crazy at all!". This isn't exclusively Homura's story, or Sayaka's....it's the way these five girls enrich each other's lives, whether intentionally or spiritually.

Also, Kyubey needs to be the final boss at one point: greatest anime villain ever.
 

SOLDIER

Member
Shinbo: "Hey, why don't we call the third movie
Kyubey's Counterattack?

I thought Urobuchi was the one who made that joke ("Incubator's Counterattack/Incubator Strikes Back"), but whatever. If that's even half true, I'm excited.

What makes Kyubey especially effective is that despite his claims that he possesses no emotions, you can't help but feel that deep down he enjoys making the girls suffer. You look at that frozen half smile of his and constantly wonder if it's growing wider. His words also carry a great deal of smug in them.

Also, if they actually did get into a fight, all indications suggest that Kyubey could utterly annihilate them if he wanted to.

He made Madoka reel over and almost vomit just for showing her a few mental images, and that was him being NICE.
 

Mandoric

Banned
I thought Urobuchi was the one who made that joke ("Incubator's Counterattack/Incubator Strikes Back"), but whatever. If that's even half true, I'm excited.

What makes Kyubey especially effective is that despite his claims that he possesses no emotions, you can't help but feel that deep down he enjoys making the girls suffer. You look at that frozen half smile of his and constantly wonder if it's growing wider. His words also carry a great deal of smug in them.

Also, if they actually did get into a fight, all indications suggest that Kyubey could utterly annihilate them if he wanted to.

He made Madoka reel over and almost vomit just for showing her a few mental images, and that was him being NICE.

Might've been. I'm a pretty "live in the present" type person and it'd been a year.

I'd like to see that, except
you know it ends with QB winning and the "real world" being the bad end.
 

SOLDIER

Member
Might've been. I'm a pretty "live in the present" type person and it'd been a year.

I'd like to see that, except
you know it ends with QB winning and the "real world" being the bad end.

At this point, the only possible happy ending would be showing all five girls reunited in Goddoka's afterlife.

I feel this image would make for the most touching conclusion: http://i.imgur.com/jsr6a.jpg
 

Croc

Banned
So what's the consensus on the dub? I didn't even realize there was one until yesterday when I recommended the show to a friend, and then he told me he was watching the dub. I watched the 3rd episode with him to hear it and I was kind of iffy on it. I thought Homura sounded pretty good but I felt like Madoka's voice was trying to hard to sound like an innocent girl and it just sounded weird. Mami sounded like a mother to me, which thinking about it now that was probably on purpose.
 

AniHawk

Member
one of the nice things about being absent from anime for seven years is that i don't have to scour each year for the good shows that stick out. time will do that for me.

anyway this show is fairly old, so please look out for unmarked spoilers, since they'll be kind of weaving in and out here.

i remember first hearing about this show in 2012. coworkers wanted me to watch it and i really couldn't. i saw the box art and kinda shook my head. i should have known then, having done the same to avatar: the last airbender that there was a reason they liked it, and not because of moe or whatever.

while 'catching up,' i saw psycho-pass on netflix and really enjoyed it. especially the ending, which was surprisingly bleak and went against my expectation in how it would end. i then learned that the same guy wrote the basis for fate/zero and madoka magica. i watched fate/zero. another action show why not. it was not bad. kind of unintentionally silly, but the final five episodes of the series were heads and shoulders what came before. so, really intrigued with urubochi's other offering, i saw the show as also on netflix.

i really don't like moe. i think it's weird and creepy. growing up, i never watched any magical girl show either (cardcaptors and sailor moon being the two i would have been able to see). so those first two episodes were rough. i had been aware of the show's reputation though, and i was interested in seeing how bad things would happen. early on though, i did at least like madoka's mom, sayaka, and some of the comedy (especially hitomi in episode 2 or 3 i think). given mami and homura's interactions with each other, i had expected homura to be a good guy and mami to be some sort of corrupting force, trying to trick sayaka and madoka into something sinister.

and nope.

that was the first of many swerves. i am familiar enough with cardcaptor sakura to appreciate kyubey and what he's supposed to be as the animal mascot character contrasted with how he is in the show. i had also expected a bad end for sayaka, and had grown to like her character the most by the time bad things started happening to her. there were little, somewhat predictable things if you were in the mindset of 'how can things go wrong,' like episode 9 where the voice of a friend doesn't revert someone back to their normal selves. there were fun little things too like kyubey being made into swiss cheese and then kyubey eating that swiss cheese. all of it was really entertaining though.

but episode ten. hooboy, that's what sealed this series as one of my favorites. i already like time travel stories quite a bit, but i never thought they would go that way to explain homura. it works so well and the escalation is just so great. first timeline, madoka's dead hand. second timeline, madoka's corrupted soul gem in her hand. third timeline, madoka's and homura's corrupted soul gems in their hands. just little details here work so well too, like homura slowly gaining confidence as she beats up the oil drum, or her happiness when madoka hugs her after blowing up a witch. but my favorite part is the stretch of time from when mami kills kyoko until homura mercy-kills madoka. i'm one of those sticklers for dubs. i prefer understanding the inflection associated with the words if i can get that. so i watched the dubbed version and it was great. homura's voice actor's anguished scream before the muzzle flash is one of my favorite parts of the show. i also really liked how madoka's voice actor was much more confident-sounding in the earliest timelines - at least the ones before homura shows up ahead of schedule. and tying into the flashback before episode 1 starts, and then tying into chasing kyubey but from homura's perspective - good stuff.

and regarding the ending... i really liked it too. i think the show sort of earns it. it's not exactly happy, but everyone involved is pretty much okay with where they are. kyoko and mami are alive fighting wraiths, sayaka and madoka have resigned themselves to their fates, believing in the power behind their wishes, and homura will continue to fight on madoka's behalf. to me it felt consistent with the tone of the show, and i had no idea what to expect from the ending, other than thinking it would be rather dark and depressing. so i was surprised to see that even that trend was kicked.

and overall i just really loved the 'joke' of the series looking like cardcaptor sakura so much and then making the main character basically a non-factor until episode 10, and then not becoming a magical girl until the very end of the show. the opening sequence and logo were great ways to keep me guessing for the first couple episodes, and i think it was only at episode eight that madoka still hadn't made a wish.

so yeah, it was pretty great. i know there's a third movie that sort of acts as a sequel to the series, but everything i've read up on it sounds like it undoes a lot of what the show ended on so well. and it also sounds like it gets caught up in 'who is the best girl!?' which is something i never really indulged in, or looked for from this show.
 

fertygo

Member
Just try the 3rd movie, its pretty divisive.. but if you like dark and weird twist aspect of the show, there's decent chance for you to like the movie.
 
so yeah, it was pretty great. i know there's a third movie that sort of acts as a sequel to the series, but everything i've read up on it sounds like it undoes a lot of what the show ended on so well. and it also sounds like it gets caught up in 'who is the best girl!?' which is something i never really indulged in, or looked for from this show.

That's just the fanbase being a fanbase. The tone is mostly identical to the show, though with a possibly bigger light/dark contrast depending on how you look at it.

Now it is divisive for a very good reason and I think that was intentional. For some, it disregards the themes present in the show and retroactively ruins it. For others, it takes them to their natural conclusion making for an exciting and intriguing finale.

I'd say give it a try, but I can't say what end of the spectrum you'll fall on.
 
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