does anyone else find it a little weird that NO ONE had a Black Friday PR this year by the way?
Sorry this is off topic but I don't think I've ever seen that happen...
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[2014] Xbox One Indie Parity Clause impacting number of announcements for system
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does anyone else find it a little weird that NO ONE had a Black Friday PR this year by the way?
Sorry this is off topic but I don't think I've ever seen that happen...
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Not really. Sure, some devs burned by this will be sour, but having access to a bunch of potential customers they would not have had otherwise will make up for it. Just make the change, MS.
Nicktendo86
Member
You have already been banned but will respond anyway, I have been VERY critical of this gen with trends of DRM, dlc, unfinished games, downgrades etc. One of the very few shining lights has been indie titles. They are a vital source of innovative, refreshing games to counter the yearly rehashes of COD/FIFA etc. They indie deva deserve all the respect and love going.Oh, we're talking about indie games here?
gotstrangepowers
Banned
When does that usually occur in relation to the NPD day?
I think they feel indie games are not too important of a topic.
It's the reverse of last generation where PS3 was the secondary port machine for indies and big games alike. PS3 ended up getting some games YEARS after coming out on the 360. I was still really glad I was able to play those games eventually because they're good fuckin games. I'll take it instead of possibly not getting them at all.
The clause was basically a weak bullying tactic trying to scare devs who are only working on a PS4 version, and now it's shown ineffective. Take that shit out!
The clause was basically a weak bullying tactic trying to scare devs who are only working on a PS4 version, and now it's shown ineffective. Take that shit out!
It is a little odd.
Maybe people know they did well and don't see a point of putting out PR because its expected that all will sell well?
Or perhaps its that everyone is waiting for a "winner" and don't want to brag about Black Friday if they think they might lose the month.
bananafactory
Banned
The only possible explanation I could see:
Sony won Black Friday but is holding the announcement until just before NPD numbers hit because they lost the month. Microsoft didn't say anything about BF because they lost but will trumpet the NPD once it's revealed they led US sales for November.
Usually if Black Friday is good for a company, they'll release it the very next week after Black Friday, by Wednesday.
This year is the first I've seen complete silence from all the big players.
Anyway, ON TOPIC and ON INDIES:
I just think whether you like them or not everyone has got to see why it's an issue. And it's not hurting Sony or PS4 gamers for the most part. It's just hurting Microsoft and XBO-only gamers. Which is, as far as I can tell, the exact opposite of their plan.
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Deleted member 17706
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No, actually, I don't.
Which is why it's good that they have them to support the PS4 in the first year or two when they can't just be giving out free games all willy-nilly.
I do think it devalues indie games that appear on the platform. It creates an expectation that they are (and deserve to be) inserted into the "free game of the month" category. You only have to look as far as Supergiant Games apparently actually having the gall to charge for Transistor instead of debuting it as a Freeplay game.
Wow. This is a pretty informative, well written thread.
I knew about the parity clause but didn't think it was as negative as it is not just to the indie devs themselves but ultimately Microsoft and their player base.
Less games is never a good thing for your system. Microsoft is unintentionally removing options from their community when it comes to what games are available to play.
I knew about the parity clause but didn't think it was as negative as it is not just to the indie devs themselves but ultimately Microsoft and their player base.
Less games is never a good thing for your system. Microsoft is unintentionally removing options from their community when it comes to what games are available to play.
Phil already knows about that for a long time and he probably don't give a fuck. His major concern is how to overtake PS4
gotstrangepowers
Banned
Absolutely. The amount and quality of indie games at PSX was amazing.
Nothing completely sold out on Black Friday, so maybe that's why.
boredandlazy
Member
I know they're already banned. But you really have to question the intelligence of the person who posts something like that... It's just so obvious what the outcome will be.Oh, we're talking about indie games here?
Anyway back OT. I'll admit I don't play too many indie games and those I do are usually through PS+, but I can't wait to dig into Transistor over the Christmas break.
Which I'm assuming is not available on the XBOne? Because of this clause?
While I'm at it, I'm totally going to pimp out
**Escape Goat 2**
for PS4 owners that may not have checked it out yet on PC.
An oddly refreshing, brilliant puzzle game with amazing level design.
Escape Goat 2, while we're at it, is not available on the Xbox One. And the following quote comes directly from the dev's blog, from October last year:
http://www.magicaltimebean.com/2013...probably-not-coming-to-xbox-live-indie-games/
The original Escape Goat was, in fact, available on the Xbox 360 as an XBLIG. Escape Goat 2 was not released in any Xbox platform yet.
**Escape Goat 2**
for PS4 owners that may not have checked it out yet on PC.
An oddly refreshing, brilliant puzzle game with amazing level design.
Escape Goat 2, while we're at it, is not available on the Xbox One. And the following quote comes directly from the dev's blog, from October last year:
http://www.magicaltimebean.com/2013...probably-not-coming-to-xbox-live-indie-games/
The original Escape Goat was, in fact, available on the Xbox 360 as an XBLIG. Escape Goat 2 was not released in any Xbox platform yet.
CambriaRising
Member
What does it matter?
Unless you are referring to steam where early access games are mixed in.
Why does it matter? Games are games are games.
Don't mean to turn the argument into list warz but on a pure comparing scale it definitely seems like it would skewed in favor of Sony since they just had an expo compared to MS who has one in January(Is this true I heard this from somewhere?).
Of course the data would still be in favor of Sony, but by a pure sample look at it would have been more credible to look at August to end of November.
Dropping the parity clause wouldn't do much good for Microsoft now. The floodgates have opened and it's already too late, I imagine anybody who is really interested in indie games has seen how this is going to pan out, and has a PC or PS4 for them.
Microsoft will do better to continue to chase the blockbuster end of the market, with a narrative they have already seen has a chance of changing their fortunes. ("The best games of the year live on Xbox One")
Unfortunately.
Microsoft will do better to continue to chase the blockbuster end of the market, with a narrative they have already seen has a chance of changing their fortunes. ("The best games of the year live on Xbox One")
Unfortunately.
Just filling up the list and pushing other games out faster.
I think if you want to make a claim that games are devalued on PS4, you should probably back that up with data about PS+ payout vs. sales.
Expectations are not universal, nor are they created equally. I bought Transistor on Day 1, for the record, to support a developer I enjoyed. Reasonable people don't expect certain things to be free or discounted, as much as we would like it to be occasionally.
Sort by price?
The January show is just a rumor at this point.
Sony just has more indies, period. No matter what time frame you want to sample.
CadetMahoney
Member
Pretty much, I've had more fun with Indie games than with those linear plot driven cinematic stuff they pump out and hype as Gods gift to gaming.
CambriaRising
Member
It works both ways and AAA games still get more prominence in the console stores.
Why should they be segragated?
Why would it matter? Games are games.
yeah i bet you could
I have a PC too. Some people prefer to play on console, for whatever reason they like. I enjoyed Transistor on PS4 even though I originally played Bastion on PC/360. I don't understand the mono-platform "PC/console is for this thing only" mindset.
jellies_two
Member
try to win a tactical battle (in USA only) but lose the war. If his concern is how to overtake the PS4 he has to compete with games too, not just bundle prices.
That doesn't work.
It affects the good indie games more so really. Just means your exposure is very short because some one thought a pet rock game was funny.
Not the point, the data would be better if you looked at two similar time periods and therefore better for discussion.
Neuromancer
Member
Just like they had data to back up that people would accept always online DRM and restrictions on used games/etc?
Sometimes people and companies just make bad decisions. The good news is that they can often change those bad decisions and recover.
AkelisRain
Member
I have a question that I don't think was addressed yet. Now by no means would I hope anyone will do this route, just a question I thought of when reading the OP. Say OP ends up releasing on PS first. Can he still release his game on Xbox if he pays w/e licensing fees, such as having to pay for the dev kit, and what ever fees that may arise? Or do ID@xbox get blocked from releasing said game at all on the platform? Just a question.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
We should start up a hash tag...something like...
I'm glad MS makes it hard for indie companies to publish on #XboxOne #firstclass
Anyhow, this thread was a really interesting read on how indie companies felt about publishing on the consoles. Personally a bunch of games caught my eye this past weekend that I know I'm getting, especially Gungeon and orcs must die.
Editn phone sorry for mistak e s
I'm glad MS makes it hard for indie companies to publish on #XboxOne #firstclass
Anyhow, this thread was a really interesting read on how indie companies felt about publishing on the consoles. Personally a bunch of games caught my eye this past weekend that I know I'm getting, especially Gungeon and orcs must die.
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n phone sorry for mistak e s
That's the thing. There's NO other option for self publishing. It's ALL through ID@XBox and that means every single self published title has to deal with the parity clause.
From the OP:
Just in terms of released digital games:
Per ListWars. There are also well over a hundred indie games not yet released that are currently only for PS4 (and PS3, Vita, PC, but not XBO)
Another list
Per ListWars. There are also well over a hundred indie games not yet released that are currently only for PS4 (and PS3, Vita, PC, but not XBO)
Another list
A sarcastic campaign is not something you want to start.
I can understand why Microsoft had this idea, trying to ensure a better service for their customers is something I can get behind. The problem is the heavy-handed approach. If they allowed late indie games in the marketplace but not place them in the new arrivals/spotlight etc. it would hurt the sales of the game pretty bad without punishing any customer willing to wait and search for the particular game. I'm sure somebody will complain about the lack of exposure but MS can easily defend itself on that end (PR-wise).
Ol No Bones
Banned
Personally I don't really care to try any of these games but I do understand for many people that would be troublesome. I just hope Sony is setting the bar high before they crowd out their store.
What are the chances they both under performed?
Hmm