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[2014] Xbox One Indie Parity Clause impacting number of announcements for system
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manzoman96
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This is a very interesting thread. Thanks OP it helped time go by during my train ride today.
It's a shame that Microsoft has a policy like this and that it literally ends up being negative for all involved. These developers are trying to make a living and this limiting the amount of people who could possibly buy their games.
As for games coming on to a platform later than others, I'm just glad when a game comes to a platform. I'm not mad that shovel knight was only on nintendo and pc, I'm just glad that i'll finally be able to pick it up for the Vita.
It's a shame that Microsoft has a policy like this and that it literally ends up being negative for all involved. These developers are trying to make a living and this limiting the amount of people who could possibly buy their games.
As for games coming on to a platform later than others, I'm just glad when a game comes to a platform. I'm not mad that shovel knight was only on nintendo and pc, I'm just glad that i'll finally be able to pick it up for the Vita.
seriously, also the more indie games come out the better chance we'll get something awesome. so in this case quantity = quality.
Steverulez
Member
You should read the rest of my post, it will lay out quite clearly why they were never going to say it and why even if they did they probably wouldn't announce it anyway.
BlackGoku03
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Me too. I posted on the IGN boards and saw the Chubs would like stuff from neogaf back in 2006 so I joined.
It would be nice if they just do a press release announcing that it no longer applies effective immediately instead of trying to make it into some white knight moment for the publicity.
But then we wouldn't be able to get threads like The Phil Spencer Effect.
Does that matter though in this case? It would be interesting to know, sure, but not really relevant in this discussion.
yeah but at this point i have to accept MS is not going to do this unless they can score some half-hearted PR points
i mean everything else about this policy has been a loser for them, so they probably would think they might as well get some boost out of it...
RetroStu said:
What would that data add to this discussion?
maybe that should tell you something about the policy. you also kind of sound like an ass on the tweets you post to Phil.
Well i just find these threads a bit misleading. I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of PS4/X1 owners don't know that Indie games even exist, never mind actually buying them.
Indie games have messed up list wars, thats for sure.
I don't think it happened quite that quickly. It took several months to actually announce the change there and then a Day 1 patch on launch day to implement. I agree with everyone who says they need to change it as quickly as possible. I just work for a big company in a different industry and know that changes that you think are simple end up not being so simple. Big companies have a whole change management process that are often required....in theory it should be simpler; but it often times is very painful. Change also often has to happen in stages as even large companies like MS are resource constrained in certain areas.
I am sorry, but who gives a shit? Like really, who cares how many console owners do not buy indies?
Also, indies are just as much games as retail games.
Geez, I've never heard of this policy. This seems a bit crazy, and seems to me like shooting themselves in the foot. Wouldn't it make more sense to release it on the PS4, gain hype, get updates and then release it on microsoft's console later when it's already wanted and hyped? Instead of not at all, I mean? Obviously the best for them would be to release it on both at the same time. But the alternative - not coming to their own console - seems worse by all means.
Isn't it hurting them overall?
Isn't it hurting them overall?
most of the hyped up games will get an exception, we already seen proof of this.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Who the fuck cares about list wars?
And this is a huge problem.
Nothing to the topic. Non at all. But! It would actually be interesting to see how different the different regions shop.
Like during the PSP/PS3 days how Europe really favoured the minis compared to the rest of the world. Something like that would be swell.
Now I load up my Vitas and check Top Downloaded/Top Seller and for the exception when sales occur that match up there is usually very different games in the Top. Data like this would be very interesting to see. Although I'm pretty sure it already exists it's not open to the eye of the public
Pretty much D4 and KI are the highlights of Xbox One right now. Digital releases however a closer look at All games isn't that long of a scroll. I feel Ps4 right now has a much more substantial digital presence and in my opinion some of those digital games are among the best overall on either console, so let's stop being crazy with these clauses and get some of these gems on the Xbox as well.
I'd say people buy them and don't realize that there indie. I was ignorant of that at some point in the past. so yeah you may be right but I don't believe that those that don't know don't buy them. There cheap and fun... sometimes.
What should it tell me about the policy? Inform me.
Also, if you're going to try to call people out, at least do it right so everyone can see how transparent you are.
Is there some other way I should talk to Lord Phil? Maybe grovel a bit at his feet to show how much I respect him for having a selfish, hateful indie policy?
The Cool One
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This is great insight into the developers process of making a game. Thanks for the info
The people who keep making these threads i'm sure.
I'm someone who always buys both Playstation and Xbox consoles so stuff like that doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting when Indie games keep getting used in these kind of threads comparing game amounts.
thewhitehawk
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Of all the things Microsoft did to course-correct the Xbox One's direction, not reversing their indie policy and being more lenient with publishing was one of the largest. I think that independent games from hereon are going to become increasingly more relevant and successful and while they may have had money to buy Minecraft they're going to miss out on a lot of other great independent titles.
To add salt to the wound, Microsoft's story with independent developers is spotty at best. Even if they do reverse this policy they have already lost the recognition of some prominent indie developers like Team Meat. I really don't understand what value they see in having this policy in place. It seems like it only exists to harm either independent developers or Xbox owners. It doesn't bring any value to Xbox, only resentment.
To put things In perspective, right now I think the Vita, of all platforms, has better support from independent developers than the Xbox.
To add salt to the wound, Microsoft's story with independent developers is spotty at best. Even if they do reverse this policy they have already lost the recognition of some prominent indie developers like Team Meat. I really don't understand what value they see in having this policy in place. It seems like it only exists to harm either independent developers or Xbox owners. It doesn't bring any value to Xbox, only resentment.
To put things In perspective, right now I think the Vita, of all platforms, has better support from independent developers than the Xbox.
This thread is not about list wars though, but rather about MS's parity clause and indie games.
And once again....indie games are games.
Why wouldn't you list all games when talking about game amounts on a platform?
what do you find "interesting" about comparing how badly the ID@Xbox parity clause is hurting Microsoft by showing all the indie games PS4 is getting but not XBO due to that very clause? You know, the very reason this thread exists? Because of that shit, hateful policy?
Because Xbox is losing out on a substantial amount of great games because they want to be hard headed about a silly policy. I too have both, I should be able to look at the other store and know that it has a good selection because the relationship to the developers are healthy enough that a flood of games will be there to choose from.
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Yepp, they deserve a beer or two
What is Charla actually doing though? Last I checked there were a number of really really good games on PS4 that are nowhere to be seen on XBOX. Like dude I don't give a fuck about a shitty pool game that is like 6 months old. I care about Rogue Legacy, Don't Starve, Spelunky, and Binding of Isaac. Like how in the world can you go from a platform that had Spelunky, Fez, Super Meat Boy, Limbo, etc. on day one to this steaming pile of rubbish that no indie dev seems to care much about? Talk about a complete mess.
How many people do you think has actually bought a PS4 or X1 because of Indie games or for Indie games?.
Well done OP. I doubt I'll buy a PS4 any time soon... Not because of list wars or fan boy dribble or lack of money. I really just don't have the time. That being said, I do treasure the indie environment and spend a significant portion of my gaming time (and money) on "indie" titles and obviously want a great selection of games to choose from. You've convinced me that Microsoft policies are hindering that.
Jacksinthe
Banned
It is a problem that can be alleviated. As a small team we get that other developers have a leg up or 3 on what we have, that doesn't mean that we should be treated like second class citizens just because we cannot muscle multiple platforms at once.
Scorched earth starts here. An independent today may become the next big thing tomorrow that everyone will want a piece of. Build bridges, not roadblocks.
People that draw a distinction between indie games and games are one of the reasons this industry is so utterly fucked up right now.
Well said.
So because the majority of people presumably bought these consoles for AAA spectacle indie games should have fewer storefronts to sell their games? Just because I bought a PS4 for Uncharted or whatever I shouldn't have the option of buying Velocity 2x in the meantime? Or worse yet the platform I chose just completely puts a policy in place that excludes that game in the first place? It's just as "bad" as Sony not opting into EA Access, give your customers choices don't take em away.
A lot of people getting exposed in this thread.
Its just a fact that this clause is unfair for indie devs in all ways. You can say "well i don't care about the circumstances smaller devs go through cause their games are small and garbage anyway"
You can say that, but its a disgusting attitude to have, and very narrow minded, as well as short sighted.
If MS means that much to some posters that you'd defend such an asinine policy because you think your getting value from them taking you for a ride, i have no hesitation in calling those specific posters out.
Its just a fact that this clause is unfair for indie devs in all ways. You can say "well i don't care about the circumstances smaller devs go through cause their games are small and garbage anyway"
You can say that, but its a disgusting attitude to have, and very narrow minded, as well as short sighted.
If MS means that much to some posters that you'd defend such an asinine policy because you think your getting value from them taking you for a ride, i have no hesitation in calling those specific posters out.
Irrelevant to discussion, what's your next point you find "interesting?"
Fixed that for you.
Possibly the line of thinking by Spencer and co. for the parity clause' existence to date.
Good job!
Well from the twitter chatter it always seemed as he was a nice guy, even acknowledged the problems and was straight enough to admit the confines he had to work within and wish it wasn't so. Plus the fact that even Shahid jumped in and defended him when he got way more hate than should be possible.
So your whole defence of your input is that Indie devs aren't missing out on any money because there's probably not many that buy their games?
Am i hitting some nerves here or something?. We are talking about Indie games from what i can see.
Yea, I knew it was that much it's just hard to believe. I think MS knows how important games are, indie, AAA, or otherwise. Even if the clause is shitty, I'd think Charla would be going out of his way to court people to give them exceptions. Now I'm not sitting at his desk everyday but based on year one, it really does seem like his division is underperforming.
No....for fucks sake.
We're talking about how the Parity clause is hurting everyone involved. Those who wish to sell on XBox, those who have xbox', those who doesn't for fucks sake everyone involved.
Go back and read the OP. Come back in 10.