MaximusPayne
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By the time 4k is mainstream, there will be new consoles...no?
People shouldn't ignore this post. I have no idea whether the HDCP 2.2 requirement from the Amazon/Netflix side is correct, but if it is it explains their hardware expectation.HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 are two different things. HDMI is the video output, HDCP is content protection. HDCP 2.2 in hardware is what Netflix and Amazon requires for 4k streaming. Neither the PS4 or the XBone support HDCP 2.2.
HDCP 2.2 has been around for about 1 1/2yrs.
The standard profile for single layer disc 1080p Blu-Rays averages at 20-22Mbps. At least for Blu-Rays I have (Matrix/LoTR trilogy).
HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 are two different things. HDMI is the video output, HDCP is content protection. HDCP 2.2 in hardware is what Netflix and Amazon requires for 4k streaming. Neither the PS4 or the XBone support HDCP 2.2.
HDCP 2.2 has been around for about 1 1/2yrs.
Forbes CONTRIBUTOR, chief. They're basically bloggers and freelancers using the Forbes name.
This guy's opinion means basically nothing.
So this article by a random Forbes Contributor is BS because the current hardware already supports 4k output for video, meaning new hardware won't be required.
I really wish Forbes Contributor articles were banned here, nothing good ever comes of it.
Do you not understand what a Forbes CONTRIBUTOR is?
Stop attributing all this to "Forbes." This is a Forbes contributor post.
Irrelevant Forbes Contributor Person/Thing said:I've spent the past 20 years writing about the world of home entertainment technology--first at Home Cinema Choice magazine, where I became Deputy Editor, and for the past 17 years on a freelance basis. In that time I'm fairly confident that I've reviewed more TVs and projectors than any other individual on the planet, as well as experiencing first-hand the rise and fall of all manner of great and not so great home entertainment technologies.
I am currently a regular contributor to The Sunday Times, Ideal Home, Trustedreviews.com, Techradar.com, Home Cinema Choice magazine, Wired, and, of course, Forbes.
I could see it being thrown in with the PS4 slim hardware revision.
This guy must be bawling his eyes out. His entire career means nothing.
People shouldn't ignore this post. I have no idea whether the HDCP 2.2 requirement from the Amazon/Netflix side is correct, but if it is it explains their hardware expectation.
This guy must be bawling his eyes out. His entire career means nothing.
HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 are two different things. HDMI is the video output, HDCP is content protection. HDCP 2.2 in hardware is what Netflix and Amazon requires for 4k streaming. Neither the PS4 or the XBone support HDCP 2.2.
HDCP 2.2 has been around for about 1 1/2yrs.
Forbes contributors are not regular paid journalists by the magazine, do not have the same amount of oversight and thus it is inaccurate to claim the position of this piece is the opinion of Forbes. It's not.
The "contributor" program has very little bar to entry (any one of us could be one tomorrow) and all kinds of nonsense has been posted here before under the "contributor" banner that was highly inaccurate.
I agree with the previous poster that these things need to be banned, because it deliberately gives the apppearance of weight to blog posts that they don't actually have.
This guy must be bawling his eyes out. His entire career means nothing.
By the time 4k is mainstream, there will be new consoles...no?
Did you even read the rest of the post you replied to?
He asked if they can, which they can. You said they can't.He thought that they could already play this content now. I told him he was mistaken.
He asked if they can, which they can. You said they can't.
Do you understand that the position of this man's piece is not the position of Forbes? Do you understand how the program actually works?
Ding ding ding we have a winner!HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 are two different things. HDMI is the video output, HDCP is content protection. HDCP 2.2 in hardware is what Netflix and Amazon requires for 4k streaming. Neither the PS4 or the XBone support HDCP 2.2.
HDCP 2.2 has been around for about 1 1/2yrs.
Stop attributing all this to "Forbes." This is a Forbes contributor post.
And that doesn't matter in the least bit. They're still writing for Forbes and the article still gets time on the front page, meaning his work is just as noteworthy as any other staffer.
Seems likely to be a legit requirement. 6 months ago, the only HDCP 2.2-capable chip available was limited to 4:2:0 colour space. Lots of vendors were waiting for a HDCP 2.2 chip that supported 4:4:4 before updating/releasing their products. I'm not sure if such chips are available yet, but it seems like they're on the horizon now, considering this rumour.
Any new XB or PS SKU will likely need to contain a chip like this.
To say that new revisions as soon as next fall would piss me off would be putting it mildly. I just got my XB1 in November and assumed all this time that 4K playback for PS4 and Xbox would only require firmware, not new hardware.
They can't. They need an update. Firmware minimum, hardware if new decryption is required.
Yes, I can see now that he is not 'Forbes'. I can also see his 20 year career in tech journalism history is not comparable to you or I writing an article as you suggested.
Same here, but at least from what I understood this won't affect the games too much if any at all. I don't expect the revisions to have exclusive games from the previous models.
But yeah, indeed annoying.
His qualifications are irrelevant. If he had no experience at all he would still be able to write whatever he wanted here and you would attribute it to 'Forbes' because you don't know any better.
This has ACTUALLY HAPPENED on the board before, with someone unqualified writing an inane piece on games under the Forbes contributor program and getting everyone riled up.
This man is not Forbes, and his opinions here carry virtually no weight. I've never even heard of the magazine he was affiliated with. What was it's circulation? What was it's reputation? Who else wrote for them? Nobody knows.
Same here, but at least from what I understood this won't affect the games too much if any at all. I don't expect the revisions to have exclusive games from the previous models.
But yeah, indeed annoying.
His qualifications are irrelevant. If he had no experience at all he would still be able to write whatever he wanted here and you would attribute it to 'Forbes' because you don't know any better.
This has ACTUALLY HAPPENED on the board before, with someone unqualified writing an inane piece on games under the Forbes contributor program and getting everyone riled up.
This man is not Forbes, and his opinions here carry virtually no weight. I've never even heard of the magazine he was affiliated with. What was it's circulation? What was it's reputation? Who else wrote for them? Nobody knows.
Forbes contributors are not regular paid journalists by the magazine, do not have the same amount of oversight and thus it is inaccurate to claim the position of this piece is the opinion of Forbes. It's not.
The "contributor" program has very little bar to entry (any one of us could be one tomorrow) and all kinds of nonsense has been posted here before under the "contributor" banner that was highly inaccurate.
I agree with the previous poster that these things need to be banned, because it deliberately gives the apppearance of weight to blog posts that they don't actually have.
Doesn't mean the individual guy doesn't know his stuff, but continually saying "Forbes says this" and quoting this guy's blog post throughout the thread is incorrect. It's not a piece by Forbes or one of their writers, it's essentially a blog post by a guy hosted in their webspace.
There have been several cases of Forbes contributor articles being inaccurate or nothing but speculation or seemingly fueled by fanboy-like viewpoints, and then being posted as "Forbes says" as a way to legitimize them. A contributor disclaimer seems earned at this point so the information can be taken into consideration with the proper context.Too true.
I'll never understand why these articles get discredited just because the person is a "contributor". It's published for a reason.
If there's any difference in actually performance in games I predict the GAF servers getting nuked from orbit. Hopefully this entire rumor is wrong though.
I probably got spoiled by the updates the PS3 and 360 got over the years but expecting new media features without new hardware ins't unreasonable.
If there's any difference in actually performance in games I predict the GAF servers getting nuked from orbit. Hopefully this entire rumor is wrong though.
There have been several cases of Forbes contributor articles being inaccurate or nothing but speculation or seemingly fueled by fanboy-like viewpoints, and then being posted as "Forbes says" as a way to legitimize them. A contributor disclaimer seems earned at this point so the information can be taken into consideration with the proper context.
And that doesn't matter in the least bit. They're still writing for Forbes and the article still gets time on the front page, meaning his work is just as noteworthy as any other staffer.
Is this 2007? Single layer disc what?The standard profile for single layer disc 1080p Blu-Rays averages at 20-22Mbps. At least for Blu-Rays I have (Matrix/LoTR trilogy).
Bullshit.We can barley do 1080p now, and it's been standard for a while.
Wind Waker HD quality graphics at 4K would be great. Not many developers willing to 'restrict' themselves like that though.As said above, this option would also leave the door open for actual 4K native games on 4K TV's. Sure they would be PS2 level graphics, but tons of those games still look amazing today....could work for some PS2 'remasters'
Is this 2007? Single layer disc what?
His qualifications are irrelevant. If he had no experience at all he would still be able to write whatever he wanted here and you would attribute it to 'Forbes' because you don't know any better.
This has ACTUALLY HAPPENED on the board before, with someone unqualified writing an inane piece on games under the Forbes contributor program and getting everyone riled up.
This man is not Forbes, and his opinions here carry virtually no weight. I've never even heard of the magazine he was affiliated with. What was it's circulation? What was it's reputation? Who else wrote for them? Nobody knows.
I thought they both just required updates through firmware?
Does this mean we gotta buy new consoles just to watch 4k??