This x1000. I said this before a few times already. Other games got flak for select things. But The Order got crapped on for pretty much every damn aspect of the game except for the graphics (though there was the downgrade thing that didn't really last very long). But half the people in this thread will remind you that other recent AAA titles got it worse than The Order. Suffice to say I have not laughed that hard as I did at that claim.
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Develop-Online: The Order: 1886 Dev Says "Internet Is The New Playground For Bullies"
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But criticising a product isn't bullying. By that logic every company in the world is constantly being bullied.
QTEs in a nutshell; 'I wish I was doing that'.
Maybe in your myopic world but we don't all lice there . Sorry.
Again, who said it is?
King Tubby
Member
To be fair, you're talking about software engineers. Usually game devs are underpaid.
GatticusFinch
Member
Myopic? The bullying line is one sentence right after they get done bitching about people on this site calling their game a "failboat" and taking bets on when the first "unfoundedly negative" thing would be said about their game. Literally the next sentence.
No, it is not.
Steve Youngblood
Member
It stands to reason that if you're going to mention that the internet is a playground for bullies, then bullying is somehow relevant here and not just a random non-sequitur.
The point isn't that only life-threatening bullying matters. The point is that it's asinine to discuss "bullying" at all in the context of saying bad things about a video game.
Yes, myopic.
JordanN
Banned
The Order: 1886 |OT| You can have your steak, and eat it too.
Yeah, I couldn't come up with a good one this time.
It's about explaining in part why the web is negative, and having bullies around is one reason. Do you not see any here?
Bullying can go on in VG discussions. Differing viewpoints are often shouted down in that way. The guy who does errant signal had to shut down his comments after his gtav episode because of the harassment.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
They're right?
I feel like this is common knowledge.
Topic
X dev says "----------".
Thread
*uproar, outrage, condemnation!*
How often do we see this happen?
I feel like this is common knowledge.
Topic
X dev says "----------".
Thread
*uproar, outrage, condemnation!*
How often do we see this happen?
I think the hang up here is that you all keep trying to characterize his position as saying any criticism is bullying. Which I don't think you have an argument for.
I think his point is that he is seeing his game get bullied and that the internet bullying culture is to blame. Not that anything negative that someone says is bullying.
I've seen enough order threads here with huge bannings and closings to know that unconstructive trolling and rock throwing happens on the regular. Are you saying that this isn't true?
DAREALGUMMY
Member
So they're saying it's a $100 8oz steak instead of a 5oz steak then.
How does one bully an inanimate object?
By making fun of it.
So you can bully a rock?
Mix Master
Member
The Order: 1886 IOTI "Look, But Don't Touch"
It is a relational thing, that is the recipient must feel coercion. You cannot bully inanimate things.
You can bully people who like those things or who make them tho.
Gambit 1138
Banned
Are devs seriously calling their customer base "bullies"? Because the people who are the likeliest to buy a game at full price are the people who are the most critical.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
The Order 1886 |OT| The Game That Will Drive a Steak Through Your Heart
I think tou don't quite understand what he means. You can "bully" someone's attempt at doing something or someone's work (bully as in to ridicule/make fun of etc)
I for one don't really think the game's being "bullied" outside of those select few who think they're funny with their non clever jokes as there're some legitimate complaints (like the game's length and QTE BS)
But ehh... when is the review embargo up anyway?
Yes, that is exactly what is happening.
The definition of bullying I just quoted says nothing of that. I think this convo is heading down a stupid path anyway. No matter which definition you want to use, I think everyone here knows full and well what is meant or implied by bullying...
IndoAssassin
Banned
By placing an animate object against it?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
The Internet is a playground for bullies and some pretty rough things ( a torrent at that) have been said about this game and about the people that work on the game. This board is far more civilized than YouTube, comment sections of sites, Twitter, Facebook, etc. The person interviewed here likely did get many personal attacks lobbied his way back whe that whole " look we're making a game, we can't get around that" comment, so he for sure likely saw some hurtful stuff thrown his way. I see nothing wrong with the comment, especially since the writer of the article came here to clarify things and took the side of Jan. Aside from that the bully thing was just an observation about Internet culture more than anything else, and who could argue otherwise with the whole gamegate thing last year, swatting, death threats, etc. Trying to connect that observation as them playing victims is trying too hard. Go read John Harker's post, 501, it further illuminates on Jan's observation.
Poke it with a stick? Toss it around?
That's how I'd do it *shrugs*
I had an inanimate object tossed at my head once. Suffice to say because of the pain I got pretty animated afterwards.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Imagine that "rock" was a diamond and it gets shared online and people across the Internet bash the craftsmanship of that diamond and make claims about how poor the cut is and reasons why whoever designed it is terrible at their job and the person must be an idiot for designing it so. Is the rock being bullied or the designer?
The analogies in this thread are doing my head in. Good grief I don't know who the bully is anymore.
Suzushiiro
Banned
I said this a few times before, but I almost think the pre-release hate The Order has been getting may wind up helping it, at least critically, because everyone's expectations for it are so low that it'll be pretty easy for it to exceed them. Sort of like what happened with Shadow of Mordor.
The Order: 1886 |OT| Certainly not well done
GatticusFinch
Member
See, you've got a steak, that's the game. The cow the steak came from is Ready at Dawn. The cow lives on a new playground. A "neo" playground, if you will. That's the Internet.
And there's a bully in there somewhere. Probably a wise cracking fox or despotic talking pig.
Mordor just kinda flew under everyone's radar. This game is already on everybody's radar.
And Sunset Overdrive, I've never seen that many people celebrate a 8.1 metacritic score like it was a 9.0 or something In that ballpark.
I don't expect it to happen with this game but hey, please prove me wrong RaD.
Agreed.
Steve Youngblood
Member
And my point would be that it's silly to suggest that a video game can be bullied.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
The Order 1886 |OT| What's Really At Steak?
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The Order 1886 |OT| Del Frisco's New Sirloin
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The Order 1886 |OT| Steak and Blowjob Day
The Order 1886 |OT| Del Frisco's New Sirloin
The Order 1886 |OT| Where Steaks Take Time To Finish, The Order Does Not
The Order 1886 |OT| Steak
The Order 1886 |OT| A Bully's Bitch
The Order 1886 |OT| Out of Order
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xDUMPWEEDx
Banned
boredandlazy
Member
I personally just hope there is no correlation between the gaffers who ignore the 8-12 hour playthroughs to focus on the 5.5, and the gaffers who focus on the lower review scores and ignore the higher ones(providing it goes either way, who knows how it's going to review 
).
).The poor cow. We need more people feeding the cow fresh cut grass. To you know, make her happy. I want a happy cow.
This is God's work.
It isn't asinine to feel bullied when huge crowds of people take pot shots at work you created. It takes an especially steely resolve to be able to withstand criticism even constructive criticism of something you've put hundreds of hours of your heart and soul into. Taking that to the next level, where your work has become the whipping boy for anonymous Internet mobs to beat up relentlessly with drive-by shitposts and assumptions you can't respond to because their numbers are overwhelming and you're just you, I think that anyone who thinks it's 'asinine' to feel bullied is lacking in empathy, to say the least.
LMAO that last one has me in stitches