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Bloodborne load times look to be a bit longer than hoped

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Vroadstar

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Start caring less about review scores.

Scores are fucking worthless in this industry since most of the industry operates with only 20-30% of the review scale and the rest (IMO, correctly) use the full scale. A 60 from one site is a worthy game and slightly above average, while from another site it is garbage. Reading the reviews will tell you more about what the reviewer really thought than the score will, in most cases.

This part isn't to you but a general bit of advice to folks regarding reviews: Read the reviews then internally use them to come to your own conclusions. Also, if faced with a general sup-par consensus in reviews for a hotly anticipated game... don't assume that the people who have played the game have a wrong opinion while you, who hasn't played the game yet, has the correct one.

The pre-release buzz from people who have played this game appears to be very high so this likely doesn't apply in this case but it's something that bugs me in most review (embarrassing) threads.

I totally agree with you, I don't care about review scores, I only care about if I enjoy the game and I don't give importance to review scores.

I just think that some gaffers need to scratch a concern itch that's all...which is exactly why we have this thread.
 
Does a movie on TV get worse because it's interrupted by adverts? Certainly you won't enjoy the movie as much as you would without the ads, but it doesn't make the movie itself worse.

I know, the simile is not the best and leaves a few open spots, come at me.
This is kinda iffy, but I get your point. I think it's more that reviews are dumb, and it's more about what this will be like to play.

I loathe adverts and have abandoned watching TV shows that air in order to avoid them, I can't really fault people for saying loading screen do bother them.

More or less, it's subjective,
and review scores are dumb.
 

JimPanzer

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On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.

The movie doesn't get worse, but the experience of watching it does.

The same thing applies here, while the game itself doesn't get worse the experience playing it does get worse because you're constantly being pulled out of your immersion due to excessive loading times. It doesn't matter if the game is amazing if it's not fun to play.

right, this was what I was getting at. It certainly should be pointed out in the review, but it should not be a reason for lowering the score IMO.
 

erawsd

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I thought the load times were fine in DK:TF. Much like Bloodborne, or souls games, the long load times helps me reflect upon why I died and learn from the experience. Instant loading would make me more careless.

Eh, I cant say Ive ever had an issue with getting right back in and correcting whatever mistakes I made.
 

Moze

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The fact it has long load times is an indication that the game isn't too polished overall. Day 1 patch as well.
 

Primeau31

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On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.

see, this is debatable because it has unskippable cutscenes which is when the game is most likely loading in the background. bb just isn't going to be a game that can pull that off.
 

Scrawnton

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On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.
I think it really depends on the context of the game. The order with no load times is great the first time through because of the story and cut scenes being new. But upon replays, it was annoying to not be able to skip cut scenes when I just wanted to play the shooting sections again.
 

Mechazawa

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This is a kind of legitimate issue with the game, relative to how consistent the load time in the OP is across the entire game, yet some of you are acting like the grand anti-Bloodborne cabal finally found it's golden goose.

If any other posters with persecution complexes need their pitchforks sated, feel free to PM me so I can send you a receipt of my pre-purchase so that I can have permission to say out loud "wow those load times are fucking lame"
 

Fliesen

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Does a movie on TV get worse because it's interrupted by adverts? Certainly you won't enjoy the movie as much as you would without the ads, but it doesn't make the movie itself worse.

I know, the simile is not the best and leaves a few open spots, come at me.

yes. yes it does.

Ever since watching Life of Pi (which i had watched in theatres before) with commercial breaks, i will never watch a film that is all about immersion and needs to create some sort of emotional attachment, with ads ever again. I'll gladly pay 4 bucks to rent it, even if it's on free TV the very same night.

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On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.


right, this was what I was getting at. It certainly should be pointed out in the review, but it should not be a reason for lowering the score IMO.

load times are part of the game, though.
I can blame the game for having immersion breaking load times, i can't blame it if it doesn't control well with my shitty ass MadCats controller.
One of these things is the fault of how i am playing the game, one is the fault of the game itself.

in general: weak points of the game should negatively affect the review.
if you write an essay and make plenty of grammatical errors, you get less points. Other students don't get extra points for having good grammar. They just don't get any taken away.
 

Scrawnton

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Eh, I cant say Ive ever had an issue with getting right back in and correcting whatever mistakes I made.
I've had those issues. It's the reason why I prefer battlefield over call of duty. In CoD I just instant respawn and run around like an idiot with no punishment or learning from my death because I can play instantly again. In battlefield, I spawn so far from the action every time I die I am incentivized to stay alive and make smarter decisions.
 
Dat PS4 RAM muscle!!!!
Btw why did they put a massive logo as a loading screen? I already bought the game and most people will be playing in their homes so, who is this promotion aimed at?
 
On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.
This is really more of a fault in review scores being dumb than saying the end user experience is actually alike. Long loading times are things some people will hate and some people don't mind I mean, this thread seems to prove that at least.

Trying to pass objective judgement on games with very different goals and experiences with an /10 review system is kinda broken.

(Subjectively, I think long unskippable cinematics can be as bad if not worse than long loading times on replay, and loading screens from area to area aren't the same as dying and repeating an area.)
 
On the other hand: should The Order 1886 receive extra points because it has almost no load times? It can get really weird if you start lowering the score for such things.



right, this was what I was getting at. It certainly should be pointed out in the review, but it should not be a reason for lowering the score IMO.

I think it probably should, any severe technical issue should result in deduction in score if it negatively impacts the player experience. Just like Dark Souls should also be judged based on the fact that frame-rate in Blight Town was horrendous on consoles.
 
This is a kind of legitimate issue with the game, relative to how consistent the load time in the OP is across the entire game, yet some of you are acting like the grand anti-Bloodborne cabal finally found it's golden goose.

If any other posters with persecution complexes need their pitchforks sated, feel free to PM me so I can send you a receipt of my pre-purchase so that I can have permission to say out loud "wow those load times are fucking lame"

The mental gymnastics going on in the thread is crazy.
 
That's fucking horrendous...

Someone needs to do a test with an SSD.

There won't be a difference because it's probably a server accessing issue. So, either the Day 1 patch fixes that so Offline Mode players won't have to put up with this shit (which is very likely, since it seems there's lots of content being added), or we have to wait for another patch.
 
Question:

I heard in the newest patch you can choose to play online/offline. Wouldn't it improve loadtimes too in offline mode, because it won't try to connect ?
 

Oppo

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guys it'll be fine after launch.

the ad server is just not up yet.

could you imagine the reaction
 

JimPanzer

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load time defense force? come the fuck on

This is a kind of legitimate issue with the game, relative to how consistent the load time in the OP is across the entire game, yet some of you are acting like the grand anti-Bloodborne cabal finally found it's golden goose.

If any other posters with persecution complexes need their pitchforks sated, feel free to PM me so I can send you a receipt of my pre-purchase so that I can have permission to say out loud "wow those load times are fucking lame"

I'm sure the load times will bother me. I just think it's not a reason to lower the review score. Ultimately I think load times aren't something you can deliberately make better (up to some point), it's not a problem of the game, but the hardware/media device it is running on.
 
Question:

I heard in the newest patch you can choose to play online/offline. Wouldn't it improve loadtimes too in offline mode, because it won't try to connect ?

There won't be a difference because it's probably a server accessing issue. So, either the Day 1 patch fixes that so Offline Mode players won't have to put up with this shit (which is very likely, since it seems there's lots of content being added), or we have to wait for another patch.
This still makes a ton of sense. Just gonna quote to get people to read your posts.
 

borborygmus

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Question:

I heard in the newest patch you can choose to play online/offline. Wouldn't it improve loadtimes too in offline mode, because it won't try to connect ?

Indeed, I'm curious about this too.

Would some kind GAFer who already has the game enlighten us? (it's been out for ~10 days in some parts of the Middle East).
 

DC1

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No, these were load times that were longer than we had hoped:

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Let's not dare drag the C64 into this.
- The pioneer of home computing
- My first number generated (CRT based) coding experience
- The generator of my first experience of production rage (780 lines of hot air balloon code lost because of a power failure.. why didn't I save it to my 5 and quarter flop???)
- My first real love
 
I'm sure the load times will bother me. I just think it's not a reason to lower the review score. Ultimately I think load times aren't something you can deliberately make better (up to some point), it's not a problem of the game, but the hardware/media device it is running on.
Ooh, now this gets iffy. Not to mention every game can have very different structure/engine so comparing one to another can be a moot point.

It's easy for people to get caught up on wanting every game to hit the best examples on that same hardware, but I agree, that I would want technical issues to be explicitly explained, but if they don't hinder gameplay they would be separate.

It's still subjective as to how bad it'll be for some people.
 

roytheone

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The game's not officially release yet, and we don't know if reviewers dock points because of the load times. I guess you played on PC for both games then?

Sure, We don't know how bad the loading times will be when the game releases. Maybe they won't be so bad, and there isn't any problem. However, my point is that if the loading times are long and that influences the enjoyment of a reviewer, they should be allowed to lower the score because of this.

Does a movie on TV get worse because it's interrupted by adverts? Certainly you won't enjoy the movie as much as you would without the ads, but it doesn't make the movie itself worse.

I know, the simile is not the best and leaves a few open spots, come at me.

I completely agree with this response:

The movie doesn't get worse, but the experience of watching it does.

The same thing applies here, while the game itself doesn't get worse the experience playing it does get worse because you're constantly being pulled out of your immersion due to excessive loading times. It doesn't matter if the game is amazing if it's not fun to play.

I decided to not watch a movie that I wanted to see simply because it was broadcasted by a channel that is notorious here for interrupting movies for long periods of time (For the dutch people here: SBS 6 and "hart van nederland", you will know what I mean).
 

Mechazawa

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I'm sure the load times will bother me. I just think it's not a reason to lower the review score. Ultimately I think load times aren't something you can deliberately make better (up to some point), it's not a problem of the game, but the hardware/media device it is running on.

I'm more referring to posters within this thread that jump to not-so-vaguely accusing others of "concern trolling" and not necessarily anything you've said.
 

Fliesen

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I'm sure the load times will bother me. I just think it's not a reason to lower the review score. Ultimately I think load times aren't something you can deliberately make better (up to some point), it's not a problem of the game, but the hardware/media device it is running on.

if something is detrimental to people's user experience it should be reflected in the review score.

There are games with short loading times. Where would you draw the line? If a dev makes a game where, at every death, you'd have a 3 minute long loading screen, shouldn't that be reflected in the review score?
 

Moze

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I'm sure the load times will bother me. I just think it's not a reason to lower the review score. Ultimately I think load times aren't something you can deliberately make better (up to some point), it's not a problem of the game, but the hardware/media device it is running on.

It is the PS4's fault the game has long loading times? All the blame goes on the developer. Other games on the PS4 don't have long loading times like this. Other games look and run better as well.

You could argue Sony haven't given them enough time to sort out the loading times. The game probably needed more time in development.
 
The loading times are a real issue for some people, but some of these knee jerk reactions are just lol.

Well, its a game you die a lot. Its a game where newcomers will die even more than a lot. Thats when it can become a bit of an issue.
They could've put some lore on those loading screens. A logo on a black backdrop isnt something anyone wants to see all the time.
 
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