Risk Breaker
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BloodBorne Sales Expectations : What are yours? What Could Sony's be ?
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Completely anecdotal but my Facebook feed is blowing up with Bloodborne praise. Most of my friends on there are concept artists, so not indicative of a general audience, but still seems to be doing well.
Obsidian is right near the top of my list of devs I don't want doing a Souls game.
Obsidian is right near the top of my list of devs I don't want doing a Souls game.
BobTheFork
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Big name, big title but I don't see lots of people getting pulled in by hype and buying it. Maybe they do but I feel like the game itself is a massive barrier to casual play (go figure)
Hell, I've played all of these and I spend 5 hours playing last night without beating the first boss. If people thought that's the experience they would get, lots of them would not buy it.
Hell, I've played all of these and I spend 5 hours playing last night without beating the first boss. If people thought that's the experience they would get, lots of them would not buy it.
schwabdizzle
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Impeccable
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It is going to be huge.
Well I know at least 3 people who are buying it on Friday so can confidently say at least 3 copies.
Personally I think if it reaches 3m in sales it'll be a fantastic result for From Software. It is still kinda a niche game and the difficulty will put a lot of casuals off but on the back of the review scores alone I expect it to break 1m.
Personally I think if it reaches 3m in sales it'll be a fantastic result for From Software. It is still kinda a niche game and the difficulty will put a lot of casuals off but on the back of the review scores alone I expect it to break 1m.
SolidSnakex
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Yamagiwa (one of the producers) mentioned that the difficulty is one of the biggest challenges when it comes to simply getting people to try the game. I think it's one of the reasons that early on he mentioned that they were trying to make it more accessible, which of course caused fans to get upset. But right now the game has everything else going for it. It's basically the talk of all websites, it's tied with 3D world as being the highest rated game of the current generation (if you exclude remasters) and it's receiving a big marketing campaign.
I think 3 mil is the cap. Barring a big bundle promotion or something like that down the road.
A small anecdote:
The local gamestop, had no more copies that wasn't already reserved. They had gotten people coming in all day wanting to buy the game that they simply couldn't keep up with demand. Heck i had to wait in line to just get my preorder and everyone infront of me was buying Bloodborne. Then again, this is a, relatively, small university town so take of it what you will.
The local gamestop, had no more copies that wasn't already reserved. They had gotten people coming in all day wanting to buy the game that they simply couldn't keep up with demand. Heck i had to wait in line to just get my preorder and everyone infront of me was buying Bloodborne. Then again, this is a, relatively, small university town so take of it what you will.
BobTheFork
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True, which will help the game quite a bit. I worry about people buying this game because of the hype and no being able to get close to completing it. More accessible or not, I think it's the hardest 'souls' game so far. But that won't stop sales.
That's great to hear. I am hoping for it to be super-brutal. Souls games got popular because it gives zero fucks for mass appeal and just does it's own thing. Hopefully Sony doesn't try to push BB to be more accessible.
Went to two different Targets yesterday, both were sold out. Not sure how many copies they had but I was surprised that it's so popular in my area.
Also last night out of the 70 people that were online on my friends list, 46 of them were playing Bloodborne. Seems like it's doing pretty damn well.
Also last night out of the 70 people that were online on my friends list, 46 of them were playing Bloodborne. Seems like it's doing pretty damn well.
Coma Ecliptic
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Look at the current lineup of games that are available and the previous reported attachrate of 4 games per system sold and 18.6% seems less crazy.
So you have two primary targets to look at...
1. Existing base: I would say it's safe to assume that the existing user base owns Destiny (remember not gaf, typical users, I don't consider us typical), GTAV, AC: U (It sold very well, broken or not), Sports title 2015. Then look at the recent titles competing for shelf space and it seems even less crazy, Borderlands remaster, Battlefield, DmC: DE, a typical Target shopper is going to go looking at games and see Bloodborne in the sea of remasters/established IP's and it becomes attractive. Now that user goes looking for reviews and they're more likely to take a chance early in the lifecycle because there has not been much to hold the attention of a console only gamer.
2. Console buyer: Bloodborne has hype at the moment and a typical user purchasing 4 titles, I don't think it's crazy to say there is a 25% percent chance Bloodborne is one of those titles bought.
In addition to the above elaboration, we are EARLY in the lifecycle right now and the last big title was Destiny. This is a huge advantage for the Bloodborne, every other large release has been a trickle to Destiny's downpour. Every console player have an outlet game to their online community game (I.E Destiny), Bloodborne launched at a very good time considering that.
I agree with you that Souls games are very niche, but I was not surprised at ALL when they didn't use the Souls tag on this title. This is their attempt at dropping that niche and I promise you it's already working. Last night I had a friend on PSN party up with me saying "I caved in, I got the last copy of Bloodborne at Target". He has NEVER touched or had interest in a Souls game, but wanted to try it because he wanted something that wasn't a shooter. He is very much a typical gamer also, Destiny, COD: AW and he bought it purely off seeing the commercials for it.
Manmademan
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Looks like whatever Sonys initial projections for the game were, it's drastically outstripping it. Wouldn't be shocked to see a million sales by the end of the month.
Thank god for digital distribution though, Sony would be leaving a lot of money on the table otherwise.
BobTheFork
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More accessible isn't always on the same coin as difficulty. Thee effort to make it more accessible had to do with reducing the total number of stats, weapons and how the combat works. They want to make it less confusing and less about hiding, cheesing and turtling.
To me, the game is just as hard (if not more so) than the previous titles. I can see people playing this as their first one having an easier time only because of how the combat is a bit different. I currently can't deal with not having my shield since I play these games very slow.
It's about being fast, hitting, dodging and using a parry attack which feels much more like how games like Bayonetta and DmC handle things.
Don'y worry, this could not be more of a 'souls' game though.
I don't think every game should necessarily be able to be reasonably completed by everyone.
Remember in the 90s when your friends were impressed if you beat certain games at all? Or if you found a secret it was a huge deal? I liked that.
Yeah, the last time I saw so many people playing one game on PS4 was the Destiny release. Now it won't sell as much as Destiny, but it seems a lot of people are playing it. Definitely going to outsell FF Type 0 in my mind, by a decent margin.
Manmademan
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Lol! Pretty sure people don't get more than halfway though even the most casual games. That phenomenon is well discussed here. Most gamers never see the final stages of the games they buy.
That being said the games aren't THAT hard. You can call in help and gamefaqs is just a click away. We're nowhere near 'NES HARD' with these games.
To me, having obtuse game mechanics is part of the charm. I think the path towards accessibility is a slippery slope which leads to homogenization. Nonetheless, glad to hear you're enjoying it.
If people don't make my prediction true, I will.
Just bought 2 copies:
jk; One is a birthday present.
BobTheFork
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I agree with you but I think things have changed since back in the day.
People expect to be able to beat a game, and that's not unreasonable. People getting this as their first 'souls' game are in for the same shock the rest of us got. What kind of challenge you get from trying to beat a game your 3rd time on the hardest difficulty is what you get out of the box here. It's not something people expect. I think it can turn people off, but right now it's a great game with lots of great scores and marketing behind it and that will push it.
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I didn't see any on the shelf at the Best Buy I picked up my online order yesterday. I did see six or so in another Best Buy today when grabbing some other stuff.
Manmademan
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To a point. TOO obtuse is definitely a bad thing. World tendency in DES and how covenants worked in DAS were good examples of what not to do.
DS2 was largely free of stuff like that though, so it looks like FROM learned the right lessons there.
SolidSnakex
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If it is more successful than some think it can be it'll be interesting to see if it impacts other games by showing publishers that there's a mainstream market for difficult games as well as games that don't hold your hand.
Amazon was also sold out, but they've received more stock. The digital code started creeping up the charts because the physical version wasn't in stock.
AkimbO_Arcana
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Well, I went out to get my copy after work and it's sold out everywhere on launch day around here (GER). So there is that. Though I have no idea how many copies MM and Saturn got, but one clerk told me Sony undershipped the game.
razgriz417
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I'm expecting a 500k+ NPD, and hopefully a lifetime 3million. Anecdotal, I had a bunch of friends who still played destiny and raided weekly decide to all take the plunge and buy Bloodborne to tie them over until the next Destiny update. All 6 of them have never played a souls game in the past but were willing to give this a try due to reviews, hype and boredom with Destiny's hardmode raids and multiplayer.
I'm just happy they're willing to try the game, nothing beats getting in a party chat and hearing them rage and cry over lost souls
side note, all but 1 of them are still stuck on the first boss. The one that didn't had me tell him tips and he got the first boss in one try with me feeding him tips
I'm just happy they're willing to try the game, nothing beats getting in a party chat and hearing them rage and cry over lost souls
side note, all but 1 of them are still stuck on the first boss. The one that didn't had me tell him tips and he got the first boss in one try with me feeding him tips
I agree that there is a balance and DaS2 headed in the right direction.
Chobel
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That's me, I certainly didn't think the hype will blow up like it's happening now. But i doubt it will reach 400K for March NPD, 350K tops.
You mean the Demon's Souls remake?
Krusenstern
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Whatever it is, I hope it sells more than any other PS4 exclusive out there.
Is it still Killzone Shadow Fall that sold the most?
Is it still Killzone Shadow Fall that sold the most?
LowEndTorque
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700-800K first week. 3.5M Lifetime WW.
Way to own it my man. Props.
SolidSnakex
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Just to give an idea of how Dark Souls 2 performed early on
UK First Week - 38-43k
Japan First Week - 260k
US First Month - 350k
I think Bloodborne has a shot of topping DS2 in the US and UK. Japan seems more of a question of userbase. Dragon Quest Heroes on the PS4 is at 327k, so it's possible.
UK First Week - 38-43k
Japan First Week - 260k
US First Month - 350k
I think Bloodborne has a shot of topping DS2 in the US and UK. Japan seems more of a question of userbase. Dragon Quest Heroes on the PS4 is at 327k, so it's possible.
Bloodborne after 1 month (end of April) :
Japan : 200/250k
US : 350/450k
EU : 350/450k
Other : 50/100k
After 1 year (with bundle) :
Japan : 250/300k
US : 500/750k
EU : 500/750k
Other : 200k
LTD (with Goty edition, and PSN discount at 10$)
Japan : 350k
US : 1M
EU : 1M
Other : 250k
Japan : 200/250k
US : 350/450k
EU : 350/450k
Other : 50/100k
After 1 year (with bundle) :
Japan : 250/300k
US : 500/750k
EU : 500/750k
Other : 200k
LTD (with Goty edition, and PSN discount at 10$)
Japan : 350k
US : 1M
EU : 1M
Other : 250k
Drinky Crow
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^ ew
The Artisan
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what was order's numbers? 250K?
2 million by the end of the year.
This is probably the best example of a game that will sell by word of mouth. The Souls games did too but they didn't also have Sony's marketing behind them and an art style which captures people at first glance (the Souls games look bland by comparison and can be easily mistaken for a lot of other RPGs).
This is probably the best example of a game that will sell by word of mouth. The Souls games did too but they didn't also have Sony's marketing behind them and an art style which captures people at first glance (the Souls games look bland by comparison and can be easily mistaken for a lot of other RPGs).
Rogue_Ledr
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I'm more interested to see how Bloodborne will affect PS4's March sales.
You guys think there will be a substantial bump?
You guys think there will be a substantial bump?
StrongBlackVine
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My friends list is definitely is full of people playing Bloodborne (and most them aren't Gaffers) like the typical release a big name game.
I kinda doubt it.
My intuition is that people who want something like BB (or successor to DeS) would already have a PS4.