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Halo Lore Thread

Do we actually know what happened to the Keyship and/or Mendicant Bias after Halo 3? I was under the impression they were both destroyed along with the Ark. Or is it a case of the trope "They're not dead unless you see them die?"

I'll give a hint:
The Keyship is the receptacle of one of MB's "nodes". This has absolutely astounding implications. Especially when you consider that the Luminaries were fashioned from this node. And when you consider what exactly the Luminaries were used for - The Covenant did not use AI - they used these.

...And that this was considered Covenant law:
Edict of the Office of the High Prophet of Truth

It is known that there is a delay installing Luminaries upon newly constructed vessels of war. On each vessel still lacking a Luminary, 1 Unggoy worker out of every 64 is to be executed. To preserve discipline between the Sangheili overseers and Unggoy, choice of victim and execution is to be by Kig-Yar death squads. This is to continue daily until that vessel's Luminary is installed.
-from Halo Wars

Gives a whole new light to this terminal from the level Truth and Reconciliation in Halo CEA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G3TJt7icX4

High Charity, and basically the entirety of the Covenant fleet, was essentially a temple to MB.

Think about it.
 
I'll give a hint:
The Keyship is the receptacle of one of MB's "nodes". This has absolutely astounding implications. Especially when you consider that the Luminaries were fashioned from this node. And when you consider what exactly the Luminaries were used for.

...And that this was considered Covenant law:
-from Halo Wars

Gives a whole new light to this terminal from the level Truth and Reconciliation in Halo CEA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G3TJt7icX4

High Charity, and basically the entirety of the Covenant fleet, was essentially a temple to MB.

Think about it.

Mendicant Bias inadvertently (or some may argue it was purposely) started the Human-Covenant War when he told the Prophets that their interpretations had been wrong and that Humans were the true heirs to all that the Forerunners had left behind. To hide this truth, the Prophets sought to eradicate humanity in its entirety.

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For Mendicant Bias, getting the Keyship to earth was a major priority, as the portal to the Lesser Ark was there. The portal was the lock. The dreadnought was the key.
 
Do we actually know what happened to the Keyship and/or Mendicant Bias after Halo 3? I was under the impression they were both destroyed along with the Ark. Or is it a case of the trope "They're not dead unless you see them die?"

The Ark didn't get all the way blown up; heavily damaged, yes, but not fully destroyed. Presumably, he's still kicking.
 
The Ark didn't get all the way blown up; heavily damaged, yes, but not fully destroyed. Presumably, he's still kicking.

The Ark is still very much intact.

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It is 2555, more than two years after the Master Chief went missing-in-action following a decisive conflict on Installation 00 — the massive, extragalactic Forerunner construct known as the Ark — as part of the final chapter in humanity’s bloody thirty-year struggle against the overwhelming forces of the Covenant. Now, as a tenuous peace exists between the humans and the Elites, a startling scientific discovery is made…and the riddle behind its Forerunner origins could very well seal the fate of the entire galaxy within a matter of weeks. In order to unravel these dangerous secrets, a heroic, hastily formed coalition of humans and Elites must attempt to overcome their differences as they embark on a covert mission back to the Ark — an astonishing, enigmatic place beyond comprehension from which few have returned and where mortal danger awaits them all…
 
Mendicant Bias inadvertently (or some may argue it was purposely) started the Human-Covenant War when he told the Prophets that their interpretations had been wrong and that Humans were the true heirs to all that the Forerunners had left behind. To hide this truth, the Prophets sought to eradicate humanity in its entirety.

For Mendicant Bias, getting the Keyship to earth was a major priority, as the portal to the Lesser Ark was there. The portal was the lock. The dreadnought was the key.

Yep. The entire Human-Covenant war was based on the mistranslation of that single word. The Prophets had the glyph upside down for eons, and only Truth, Mercy, and Regret were there that fateful day to witness MB's correction:

Reclamation > Reclaimer
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And they chose to keep that a secret. The Great Journey is a lie.

--

Here's the relevant passage from Contact Harvest:
The hangar beyond was an immense, triangular vault. Unlike the Dreadnought’s bleached exterior, its walls shone mirrored bronze in the light of countless holographic glyphs. These explanatory and cautionary symbols (arranged in tight, vertical lines) floated near small holes in the hangar’s angled walls. Although Fortitude knew what the holes were for, he had never actually seen them put to use...

Soon after the Covenant’s founding, San’Shyuum experiments with early copies of the Dreadnought’s Luminary led them to a gas giant planet in a system near the Sangheili’s home. The San’Shyuum had hoped to find a treasure trove of relics and were disappointed when all they found were the Lekgolo, huddled in the planet’s rings. But when the Prophets realized what the intelligent worms had done, they were appalled.

The icy rocks that made up the rings were in fact fragments of some obliterated Forerunner installation that once orbited the gas giant. And the reason the rocks were no longer rich with relics was because the Lekgolo had spent millennia ingesting them—chewing them up and spitting them out—as they carved their tight and twisting burrows. The odd thing was, the Lekgolo had discerning palates. Some colonies would only ingest Forerunner alloys; others dined exclusively on rock rich in crushed and compacted circuits. And a few, very rare colonies would avoid such foreign objects altogether, carefully cutting around battered remains of relics like paleontologists would a fossil.

Of course the San’Shyuum believed any unauthorized contact with Forerunner objects was heresy, punishable by death, and ordered the Sangheili to eradicate the worms. But the Sangheili were ill-equipped to fight creatures that had no ships or soldiers to speak of and whose fortifications were the very things they were trying to save. In the end, a particularly insightful Sangheili commander—one of the species’ revered Arbiters—suggested it might be better to “tame” the Lekgolo and put their and habits to good use. As eager as they were to assert their moral authority, the Prophets begrudgingly agreed that the worms, properly trained, could be very useful in future reclamations, and they forgave the Lekgolo’s sins.
After ages of experimentation on lesser relics, the San’Shyuum had finally gotten up the nerve to attempt an unprecedented exploration of the Dreadnought. Since their departure from their homeworld (and even during the darkest days of their war with the Sangheili) they had limited their studies to the ship’s easily accessible systems. While the San’Shyuum had been desperate to explore the processing pathways in the Dreadnought’s thick hull, they were terrified they might damage something vital.

And so it was with great care that the ascetic priests had carved their first, tentative hole and slipped in a carefully chosen Lekgolo. They had waited in mortal terror for the worm to dig too deep—and more than that, for what the Dreadnought’s Oracle might say. But the Lekgolo emerged without incident, and the vessel’s most high and holy resident hadn’t said a word.
The Oracle’s silence wasn’t unusual. Fortitude had never heard of it speaking in his lifetime, nor had his father or his father before that. And when those pioneering priests had gotten no response, they gradually increased their Lekgolo probes until—as was now clearly the case—the once frightful process had become mundane. Following an angled piece of scaffolding to the very top of the hangar, the Minister watched as the San’Shyuum priests on the barge signed a series of orders to the waiting Huragok, and all parties made ready for the next retrieval.

With more speed than the Minister would have guessed, the Philologist rotated his chair and floated to a phalanx of shadowed machinery in the center of the room. As he drew close, holographies flicked on high above, revealing a cluster of onyx obelisks—powerful processing towers linked together—and before these: the Dreadnought’s Oracle.
Even though Fortitude had seen many representations of the holy object, it was smaller than he had expected. Locked inside an armature that kept it head-height above the floor, the Oracle was tethered to the obelisks with strands of neatly plaited wire. These circuits connected to small, golden pads affixed to the Oracle’s casing: a teardrop of silver alloy not much longer than the Minister’s neck.

The casing’s tapered end faced the obelisks. Its round end angled toward the floor and held a dark glass lens. There was a gap around the lens and the casing, and through this, Fortitude could see pinpoints of light—circuits running at low power. These were the Oracle’s only signs of life.

“This is all the data?” the Philologist asked, slotting the wafer into one of the obelisks.

“From the ship’s Luminary as well as its sensors.” Fortitude edged closer to the Oracle. For some reason, he was overwhelmed with a desire to reach up and touch it. As old as the object was, its casing was absolutely smooth—had no dents or scratches. Fortitude gazed deep into the Oracle’s lens. “There are reports of a new species on the planet that holds the relics, but they appear to be primitives—a tier-four species. I don’t expect they shall—”

Suddenly, the Oracle’s circuits blazed. The lens refracted the light, sending forth a blinding beam. Not a lens. Fortitude gasped. An eye! He raised a sleeve before his face as the Oracle tilted toward him in its armature.

< FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED >

The Oracle&#8217;s deep voice reverberated inside its casing. Its eye-beam flickered with the cadence of its words as it pronounced in the San&#8217;Shyuum tongue.

<LISTENED TO YOU MISINTERPRET >

Hearing the Oracle speak was, for any faithful member of the Covenant, like listening to the Forerunners&#8217; own voice. Fortitude was appropriately humbled, but not just because the Oracle had finally spoken after Ages of silence. In truth, he was just as surprised to learn that the Philologist was not (as he had always suspected) an utter fraud.

Fortitude had made this appointment for formality&#8217;s sake. Luminations presented as evidence before the High Council required the Oracle&#8217;s blessing, which for Ages had meant convincing the current Philologist to affirm on its behalf. But these holy hermits were just as political as any other powerful San&#8217;Shyuum&#8212;equally susceptible to bribes and blackmail. Fortitude had expected he would have to make some sort of &#8220;donation&#8221; to the Philologist (a small share of the reliquary, perhaps) in order to get the blessing he required.
But if the old charlatan is putting me on, Fortitude watched as the Philologist stepped from his chair and dropped feebly to his knees before the Oracle, he&#8217;s certainly giving it his all.

&#8220;Blessed Herald of the Journey!&#8221; the Philologist wailed, neck low and arms spread wide. &#8220;Tell us the error of our ways!&#8221;

The Oracle&#8217;s eye dimmed. For a moment it looked as though it might resume its long silence.

But then it blazed anew, projecting a hologram of the reclamation glyph recorded by Rapid Conversion&#8217;s Luminary.

< THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION >
the Oracle boomed.
< THIS IS RECLAIMER >

Slowly the glyph turned upside down, and its central shapes&#8212;the concentric circles, one low inside the other, connected by a thin line&#8212;took on a different aspect. The shapes&#8217; previous arrangement had resembled the pendulum of a clock. Inverted, the glyph now looked like a creature with two curved arms locked above its head. The glyph shrunk in size as the hologram zoomed out to show the entire alien world, covered with thousands of these newly oriented Luminations.

< AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS >

Now it was Fortitude&#8217;s turn to feel weak in the knees. He grasped the arms of his throne and tried to come to terms with an impossible revelation: each glyph represented a Reclaimer, not a relic, and each Reclaimer was one of the planet&#8217;s aliens&#8212;which could only mean one thing.

Just then, the abbey began to shudder. Many decks below, the Dreadnought&#8217;s mighty engines sprang to life, shaking free of the limiters that kept them generating the comparatively meager energy High Charity required. Soon the engines would build to full capacity, and then&#8230;

&#8220;Disconnect the Oracle!&#8221; Fortitude shouted, knuckles white upon his chair. &#8220;Before the Dreadnought launches and destroys the city!&#8221;

But the Philologist paid him no heed. &#8220;The sacred vessel breaks its shackles!&#8221; The elderly San&#8217;Shyuum&#8217;s arms were trembling. He no longer seemed afraid&#8212;he seemed inspired. &#8220;The Gods&#8217; will be done!&#8221;

The hologram of the alien world disappeared, and once more the Oracle&#8217;s eye shone forth.

< I WILL REJECT MY BIAS AND WILL MAKE AMENDS >

The vault&#8217;s dark walls began to glow as their veinlike pathways brightened inside them. The ancient circuits surged with light that raced into the obelisks behind the Oracle. The banded red and brown rocks began to crack, venting plumes of chalky vapor. Suddenly, the Vice Minister sprung from his chair, plasma-pistol drawn.

&#8220;Shut it off!&#8221; he screamed, leveling his weapon at the Philologist. The pistol&#8217;s tip shone brilliant green as it built up an overcharge bolt. &#8220;Or I will burn you where you stand!&#8221;

But at that moment, the Oracle&#8217;s lens became so bright&#8212;began to flash with such feverish frequency&#8212;that it threatened to blind all three San&#8217;Shyuum. Tranquility screamed and brought the long sleeves of his robes up before his eyes.
< MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS >
The Oracle&#8217;s teardrop casing rattled inside its armature as if it were trying to take flight with its ship.
< I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK >
 
The Ark is still very much intact.

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It is 2555, more than two years after the Master Chief went missing-in-action following a decisive conflict on Installation 00 — the massive, extragalactic Forerunner construct known as the Ark — as part of the final chapter in humanity’s bloody thirty-year struggle against the overwhelming forces of the Covenant. Now, as a tenuous peace exists between the humans and the Elites, a startling scientific discovery is made…and the riddle behind its Forerunner origins could very well seal the fate of the entire galaxy within a matter of weeks. In order to unravel these dangerous secrets, a heroic, hastily formed coalition of humans and Elites must attempt to overcome their differences as they embark on a covert mission back to the Ark — an astonishing, enigmatic place beyond comprehension from which few have returned and where mortal danger awaits them all…

God, I'm so looking forward to that. Fighting alongside the Elites is one of my favorite moments from Halo 3, easily.
 
God, I'm so looking forward to that. Fighting alongside the Elites is one of my favorite moments from Halo 3, easily.

Based solely off the summary alone, it has the potential to be a new favorite. Obviously, the text itself will prove it's worth or not, but man, there's just so much potential here.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
The most ancient beings we currently know of are the Precursors. What beings perished in the ship that crashed on Installation 04 are presently unknown, so aside from the remote possibility of a new, older race of aliens being revealed through that plot point, the oldest we can trace back to are the Precursors.

Imo it would be very, very unlikely for those to be older than the Precursors. That ship hit around 40,000 BCE, 60,000 years after the Halos were fired. The Precursors are said to have existed at least back to the "warm glow" in the early stages of the universe. These are the real OGs here, I think the aim of their design was to show them as the earliest feasible intelligent life in the universe.
 
Imo it would be very, very unlikely for those to be older than the Precursors. That ship hit around 40,000 BCE, 60,000 years after the Halos were fired. The Precursors are said to have existed at least back to the "warm glow" in the early stages of the universe. These are the real OGs here, I think the aim of their design was to show them as the earliest feasible intelligent life in the universe.

I agree with you. I just stated it that way, because we have no idea what was in that ship. While I doubt it'll be beings older than Precursors, who knows what's in there. There's such a massive lack of detail that I tend to go broad with my assumptions so I'm not looking at anything too narrowly.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
Can't believe I forgot about that! The cover art reminds me of this piece of Reach concept art

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I keep swinging wildly between "Man, the elites are cool, we should buddy up with them" and "THOSE GENOCIDAL BASTARDS!".


Anywho, have you guys ever mulled on that throwaway line (if it can be called that - I'm sure it's very deliberate like the rest of the book, just that it's only mentioned once) in the Forerunner trilogy, I think probably Silentium, about how Forerunner engines work? The engine of a Forerunner ship was destroying entire proto-universes just to gain power...The destruction they wreaked on this galaxy was almost too big to grasp, and here they are with ships that destroy universes at a time just to inch forward as well...A pretty good metaphor for them not being as forward thinking as they loved to think. What could have come of all those alternate dimension universes? Would there have been life there, as we know it or otherwise? One wonders.
 

whipihguh

Banned
Hmm, I think you guys finally convinced me to start reading the Halo novels. From this point I've been basically subsisting off of Halopedia, but your explanations definitely show that there's a far more intricacy in the books, and that's definitely something I'm interested in now.

It would certainly be interesting to see some sort of alliance with or atonement from the San'Shyuum in some way, although I have my doubts something like that would occur. For one thing, while the High Prophets seemed to be okay with the idea of their entire belief system obliterated by one mistranslation, I'm unsure that the remainder of the San'Shyuum would be as willing to give up their ancient ways of worship so easily. Not to mention the UNSC likely not having any desire to work with the same species that tried to exterminate the human race.

Still, their return would be enjoyable to see. It'd be a shame to see them disappear into the shadows after the end of Halo 3, especially seeing as how they were so key in the events of the galaxy post-Halo firing.


I agree with you. I just stated it that way, because we have no idea what was in that ship. While I doubt it'll be beings older than Precursors, who knows what's in there. There's such a massive lack of detail that I tend to go broad with my assumptions so I'm not looking at anything too narrowly.

If we are to go broad with our theories, I suppose I can throw out another one.

Perhaps it's possible that there was at least one species that was able to survive the Halo Array? I mean, the galaxy is a pretty big place, and maybe an outlier planet in one of the arms was just beyond the radius of the Halos was able to luck out and not get hit.

Alternatively, it could also be an extragalactic species that managed to make it to the Milky Way, possibly even fleeing from a spreading Flood if AYF 001's comments that the Flood left the galaxy are accurate.

Whatever that species is, it's hard to say how they got there. I'm honestly less interested in the idea of another intelligent species in the Halo universe (although I'd be happy to see more!) than I am in how that species was spacefaring so shortly after the Halo firing. Either they were able to advance extraordinarily rapidly compared to the other species in the galaxy, in which case their current tech level now would be substantial to say the least, or the Halo Array didn't manage to effect them as severely as the other species, if it affected them at all. Either way, I'm curious as to how that happened.
 
Hmm, I think you guys finally convinced me to start reading the Halo novels. From this point I've been basically subsisting off of Halopedia, but your explanations definitely show that there's a far more intricacy in the books, and that's definitely something I'm interested in now.

That is fantastic. If anything, I just want others to give the books a chance. Sometimes, you'll run into things being done for franchises that are simply just to make money and have little or no substance whatsoever. And yes, Microsoft and 343 obviously want to make money (what business doesn't?) off the books, and other Halo merch, but there's a ton of careful tending and intricate detail poured into them. Honestly, I'd argue that the actual backbone for the games themselves is found in the books. If you simply only play the games, you'll only see a glimpse at what's beyond the central conflict, with only a base level of context. Halo 4 did a much better job at attempting to draw in some of the extracurricular stuff into the game, but I think we'll see this handled a little more smoothly in Halo 5. Halo 4 was in many ways a transitional title. Halo 5 will be 343 with the gloves off, so we'll have a really good idea at just how definitive their vision is. But, if the books are anything to go by, especially the Forerunner trilogy and the Kilo-Five trilogy, they know what they are doing.

It would certainly be interesting to see some sort of alliance with or atonement from the San'Shyuum in some way, although I have my doubts something like that would occur.

;)

For one thing, while the High Prophets seemed to be okay with the idea of their entire belief system obliterated by one mistranslation, I'm unsure that the remainder of the San'Shyuum would be as willing to give up their ancient ways of worship so easily.

Entirely possible. But as we find out in Broken Circle there are two camps within the San’Shyuum: Reformists and Stoics. While one camp may be harder to convince, the other may not be as thus. I'm fairly convicned that we'll see them again, and that they still have a key role to play, as their planet harbors many secrets.

In Halo, there are no coincidences, and there are a plethora of reasons as to why both Humanity and the San’Shyuum were given concurrent pieces of the puzzle. While both races are nowhere near where they need to be to see what the puzzle is lays before them, the pieces, and their meaning, are just waiting to be found.

Not to mention the UNSC likely not having any desire to work with the same species that tried to exterminate the human race.

Humanity and the Sanghelli sure are trying, so I wouldn't rule that out.

Still, their return would be enjoyable to see. It'd be a shame to see them disappear into the shadows after the end of Halo 3, especially seeing as how they were so key in the events of the galaxy post-Halo firing.

They won't. I'm sure of it.

If we are to go broad with our theories, I suppose I can throw out another one.

Perhaps it's possible that there was at least one species that was able to survive the Halo Array? I mean, the galaxy is a pretty big place, and maybe an outlier planet in one of the arms was just beyond the radius of the Halos was able to luck out and not get hit.

Entirely possible, but it certainly would had to have been beyond the galaxy itself. The Forerunners were adept at math and science and attention to detail, almost meticulously, so I don't think any square inch of the galaxy would have been spared from the Halo blast, save for shield worlds and the Lesser Ark itself, which was placed beyond the galaxy at a considerable distance.

If one were to survive the Halo array, they would had to have gone extra-galactic, stowed away on the Ark without being noticed, or found a way
to gain access into a shield world.

However...

From Silentium, pg312:
The newer Halos have been designed to fire simultaneously and in every direction; they are much more powerful than older Halos. Once distributed, their energies will cover the entire galaxy, overlapping and triggering each other until there is no space that has not been cleaned of the Flood.

There is uncertainty, whether star roads in transit through slipspace we be eliminated as. Some say they will, others, not. And so, we are attempting to Guage, through very suspect data, when the maximum number of star roads and other Precursor constructs will emerge and occupy status space.​

Alternatively, it could also be an extragalactic species that managed to make it to the Milky Way, possibly even fleeing from a spreading Flood if AYF 001's comments that the Flood left the galaxy are accurate.

Whatever that species is, it's hard to say how they got there. I'm honestly less interested in the idea of another intelligent species in the Halo universe (although I'd be happy to see more!) than I am in how that species was spacefaring so shortly after the Halo firing. Either they were able to advance extraordinarily rapidly compared to the other species in the galaxy, in which case their current tech level now would be substantial to say the least, or the Halo Array didn't manage to effect them as severely as the other species, if it affected them at all. Either way, I'm curious as to how that happened.

Well mused! I've been mulling this is as well for a long time, and I'm also more interested in how the came to crash there, in what appears to be a highly advanced vessel, and why they didn't emerge, despite 343GS' detection of life forms. It wouldn't have been an infected vessel- if it were the Flood, spores and forms would have emerged immediately to search for futher assimilation, so we can rule that out. It also doesn't resemble any Covenant-race design language or structure, plus their races wouldn't have been so far advanced at that point, given that the entire galaxy was repopulate from scratch after the Halos fired.

So that leaves me to speculate that it's either a new race from beyond our galaxy, or a returning race, that took refuge beyond our galaxy.

Or...

From Broken Circle, pg30:
“Many cycles ago, I was the last survivor of a vessel brought down by hostiles—we never knew what race it was. They did not speak a civilized tongue. All this was on the far side of the galaxy from here, in the System of Miasmic Giants."

There's also this, from Silentium, pg329-330:
There is one last patch of communication, somewhere below, within a great dense of cloud- perhaps a star nursery. A new and precocious civilization acquiring its voice only now, having eluded both the Forerunners and the Flood... Sending its first plaintive, hopeful signals.

Crying out for attention. Heed us!

I do not understand what they are trying to say. Do not know what they might have looked like, cannot imagine what they might have done, had they been born in more fortuitous times.​

Are these all connected in some way?

May I humbly argue- yes.
 
Which leads to this. The MCC reveal trailer. We see Locke and the Arbiter in an area that looks strikingly similar to the concept art. Locke is on Sanghelios.

Confirmed that the trailer and concept art are the same. The proprietary video player didn't auto hide the controls on pause (why people don't use YouTube or Vimeo in 2015 is beyond me) so pls excuse the clutter.

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Taken from this:

Making of the Master Chief Collection Trailer
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Just finished New Blood here, and I have to say it's easily my favorite book in the series since 343i took over the lore.

Now for Broken Circle...
 
Just finished New Blood here, and I have to say it's easily my favorite book in the series since 343i took over the lore.

Now for Broken Circle...

Can't wait to read New Blood- I'm just waiting for ODST to be re-released so I can play through that first.

Broken Circle is a solid read, with lots of clues and hints left for some potential foreshadowing. I hope you enjoy!
 
Just finished New Blood here, and I have to say it's easily my favorite book in the series since 343i took over the lore.

Now for Broken Circle...

New blood is so easily digestible because it's only one perspective and not jumping around multiple characters.

Add to the fact that its novella you got A+ quality read.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
There's also this, from Silentium, pg329-330:
There is one last patch of communication, somewhere below, within a great dense of cloud- perhaps a star nursery. A new and precocious civilization acquiring its voice only now, having eluded both the Forerunners and the Flood... Sending its first plaintive, hopeful signals.

Crying out for attention. Heed us!

I do not understand what they are trying to say. Do not know what they might have looked like, cannot imagine what they might have done, had they been born in more fortuitous times.​

Are these all connected in some way?



May I humbly argue- yes.


When I read it, I took them at face value to simply show all the unintended victims of the Forerunner reign, the ultimate failure of the Mantle. But if they somehow survived the firing and had such a time advantage over the other intelligent species and are out to kick ass and chew bubblegum, all the cooler.


That quote by the way is part of my favourite parts in all the books. Dat ending.
But for now...Silentium.

343GS did say, however, that "And then &#8230; even that young voice is gone.", so from his perspective at least it does seem they were wiped out.
 
When I read it, I took them at face value to simply show all the unintended victims of the Forerunner reign, the ultimate failure of the Mantle. But if they somehow survived the firing and had such a time advantage over the other intelligent species and are out to kick ass and chew bubblegum, all the cooler.

Yeah definitely could go either way. I just wonder why they added that aside in there. Could just be a red herring, but I've always looked at it as possible something else, given the Halo CE terminals. I guess we'll find out!

That quote by the way is part of my favourite parts in all the books. Dat ending.
But for now...Silentium.

The way that book ends was so chilling. The sense of scale was pitch perfect. Loved that last line, too.

343GS did say, however, that "And then … even that young voice is gone.", so from his perspective at least it does seem they were wiped out.

True. Either they were extinguished in the apocalypse of the Halos, or their first and last words "Heed us" were planned to be thus and they went dormant as the doom descended.

Interesting that there's mention of where they are on a more specific level. Could all be nothing. Could be something.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Can't wait to read New Blood- I'm just waiting for ODST to be re-released so I can play through that first.

Broken Circle is a solid read, with lots of clues and hints left for some potential foreshadowing. I hope you enjoy!

New blood is so easily digestible because it's only one perspective and not jumping around multiple characters.

Add to the fact that its novella you got A+ quality read.

Yeah, it's a great read. I'm pretty anxious to replay remastered ODST now. Definitely not going to be looking at Alpha-Nine the same in that game again...
 
well, at least now hopefully Ben will stop drinking the Kool-Aid. you'd think a former Section Two contractor, that fabricated lies on a constant basis, would be a bit more questioning rather than eating up all the VIP access treatment he's supposedly getting.

We all have our blind spots, I suppose.
 
What I'm wondering is if ONI is gonna make Ben drink the Jonestown Kool-Aid by the end of the series? I don't think they'll take kindly to having their dirty laundry aired.

I could see them capping things off like that, yeah.

Also, I'm curious about how these are supposedly being distributed in-universe; I'd have to imagine that ONI would be doing their best to shut it down, and the way he closes does suggest that it's weekly in that sense as well.
 

Fuchsdh

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well, at least now hopefully Ben will stop drinking the Kool-Aid. you'd think a former Section Two contractor, that fabricated lies on a constant basis, would be a bit more questioning rather than eating up all the VIP access treatment he's supposedly getting.

Eh, I've seen veteran news journalists who covered Latin American wars still fall victim to the "perfect" story thrown their way. That said, Sully is so over-the-top that anyone with a brain should think he's lying.
 
What I'm wondering is if ONI is gonna make Ben drink the Jonestown Kool-Aid by the end of the series? I don't think they'll take kindly to having their dirty laundry aired.

Depends on the in-universe means of distributing this podcast. Could be a pirate radio kind of deal, and he went into hiding after discovering the truth. The main narration seems to be him after the fact, instead of concurrently with the interviews.

Eh, I've seen veteran news journalists who covered Latin American wars still fall victim to the "perfect" story thrown their way. That said, Sully is so over-the-top that anyone with a brain should think he's lying.

Sully's VA way overacted their part, which was a bummer.
 
Loved this one. Jennifer Hale showing up in there was cool, too. Seriously, they're sparing no expense with this campaign. Love it so much. It's very eerie being a lore nerd and hearing an in-universe "civilian" piecing it all together. Super cool.
 
I want to know more about the UNSC Unto the Breach. The names of vessels in Halo are always solid...

Pillar of Autumn
Forward Unto Dawn
Spirit of Fire
Infinity
Pious Inquisitor
Shadow of Intent
High Charity


So many others...
 

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Ive always considered Halo's ship names being a nod towards the Culture.

Although Culture wins out. The ship names are always a reflection of the AI personality. Something I wish Halo stole.
 
So that's clearly Jennifer Hale right? She plays Sarah Palmer, too. Is it possible this is Sarah Palmer pretending to be this Gabriella Dvorjak who clearly is full of it?
 
Ive always considered Halo's ship names being a nod towards the Culture.

Although Culture wins out. The ship names are always a reflection of the AI personality. Something I wish Halo stole.

It's absolutely a Culture reference. If you're gonna steal, steal from the best, says I.

Though Halo does have some more conventional ship names, like the Iroquois.

So that's clearly Jennifer Hale right? She plays Sarah Palmer, too. Is it possible this is Sarah Palmer pretending to be this Gabriella Dvorjak who clearly is full of it?

I was thinking about that. Now that'd be a fun twist, huh?
 
So that's clearly Jennifer Hale right? She plays Sarah Palmer, too. Is it possible this is Sarah Palmer pretending to be this Gabriella Dvorjak who clearly is full of it?

Yep, definitely Jennifer Hale. Either they just wanted another strong VA to help with these audio files, or maybe there's more to Sarah Palmer than we have currently been allowed to know... In-game, maybe she's playing the bravado almost too strongly, as well.
 
Been thinking about this passage from Silentium again.
You drove us from our galaxy, our field of labor. You chased us across the middle distance to another home, and destroyed that home, did all that you could to destroy every one of us.

So the Forerunners hunted the Precursors down in the Milky Way, and in another place, presumably another galaxy. Which one? And what kind of things may have happened in that galaxy? If the Precursors created humanity and the Forerunners and all of the Covenant races here, not to mention the ones we haven't seen yet, what may have been over there? What was lost across the middle distance?

Is it possible that the ship that crashed on Installation 04 was extra-galactic? Perhaps, from this very same other galaxy?
 

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Been thinking about this passage from Silentium again.
You drove us from our galaxy, our field of labor. You chased us across the middle distance to another home, and destroyed that home, did all that you could to destroy every one of us.

So the Forerunners hunted the Precursors down in the Milky Way, and in another place, presumably another galaxy. Which one? And what kind of things may have happened in that galaxy? If the Precursors created humanity and the Forerunners and all of the Covenant races here, not to mention the ones we haven't seen yet, what may have been over there? What was lost across the middle distance?

Is it possible that the ship that crashed on Installation 04 was extra-galactic? Perhaps, from this very same other galaxy?

Something else along those same lines, then:

If there is another hierarchy of species in this other galaxy, does that mean that the Precursors also placed the Mantle on a species there to guard and watch over all species within said galaxy?

Is the Flood present in this other galaxy, either through the process of evolution similar to what happened within our galaxy, or by Flood from our galaxy travelling to this other galaxy (as well as maybe others)?

If both of these questions are answered with a yes, could the ship that crashed on 04 actually be a small exploratory group of the extra-galactic species with the Mantle looking for a Flood-free galaxy, in an effort to "move galaxies"? If so, depending on the physiology of said species, they might have expired once traces of the Flood, even in containment, were found.

Purely speculative, but interesting to think about, none the less :p
 
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