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Verge: New Hololens impressions "demo videos are all basically a lie"
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This is awful. This is what you want? O_O
This sucks to hear. AR sounds really great but it sounds like it still needs more improvement =/
E3 2010 when Microsoft got Cirque Du Soleil to perform and advertise Kinect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS2_3cBjQIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWRO7UiDtx4
E3 2010 when Microsoft got Cirque Du Soleil to perform and advertise Kinect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS2_3cBjQIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWRO7UiDtx4
what the... that's terrible! I hope GAF has complained about this back in the days
Microsoft hatred.
I know some people developing a VR device, and one of the guys has a PHD in projection tech similar to the Hololens. Without naming hololens in particular, he said that there are just too many limitations to the technology and at least until now, there hasn't been any sign that it's worth investing in.
To be honest, the Hololens initially was not something I cared all that much about. I am very sold on VR(own an Oculus Dev kit 1st generation), but VR interests me more than AR, and I am leery of Microsoft devices after how bad my spouse and I got burned on Kinect 1&2 compared to what was advertised.
I had been getting more interested and hopeful in the past few weeks, but this rather has me worried again. I think this might be one of those devices that won't actually do as promised until 4 iterations later(Kinect 2.0 STILL won't do the stuff the E3 video promised us version 1 would do, for example).
I'm hoping they get this stuff ironed out before release, as the promise is becoming something that interests me more and more.
I had been getting more interested and hopeful in the past few weeks, but this rather has me worried again. I think this might be one of those devices that won't actually do as promised until 4 iterations later(Kinect 2.0 STILL won't do the stuff the E3 video promised us version 1 would do, for example).
I'm hoping they get this stuff ironed out before release, as the promise is becoming something that interests me more and more.
Garrett 2U
Member
Sure, the FOV needs to be expanded..
But this headet is currently: mapping spaces to 3D, tracking eye movement, processing skeletal tracking, projecting a 3d onto your eyes, and running Windows 10.
I guess I don't get all the hate and despair?
This thing is still a prototype...
I am just excited that we are this close to AR this soon...
But this headet is currently: mapping spaces to 3D, tracking eye movement, processing skeletal tracking, projecting a 3d onto your eyes, and running Windows 10.
I guess I don't get all the hate and despair?
This thing is still a prototype...
I am just excited that we are this close to AR this soon...
I can't complain too much. I was amazed for all the wrong reasons that it made the whole thing hilarious. Konami's 2010 E3 conference is still the height of everything though.
justsomeguy
Member
This is my view too overall, but MS are walking a dangerous line not saying ANYTHING to temper fov expectations, unless the final unit will be much improved. they are bringing some amazing tech together here, and future revisions of the hardware will only get better. One day it'll be in a Google glass size device, hopefully before I'm to old to use it ;-)
PreFire
Member
Watched video.
Hopefully her experience isn't what the final product will consist of. I rather much be immersed than to simply see something small in a box.
The way ms demo'ed it, made it seem like some crazy future technology. Now it seems like an HD projector playing tricks on you.
Hopefully her experience isn't what the final product will consist of. I rather much be immersed than to simply see something small in a box.
The way ms demo'ed it, made it seem like some crazy future technology. Now it seems like an HD projector playing tricks on you.
did you actually watch the original demos, or just read someone else's descriptions of them?
I think much of the limitation has to do with the amount of sheer horsepower needed to make large, quality light fields. You need to render a full frame for every angle a photon will hit your eye. This means that instead of just rendering a scene twice, once for each eye, you need to render it at least dozens of times per eye, each from a slightly different angle. This is where the horsepower limitation rears it's head. Let's say you doubled the size of a normal display while keeping the same DPI, that would require 4 times as many pixels. Doubling a light field display's size would require many many times more pixels. Considering how the HoloLens is an untethered device with its own GPU, you can see how this presents a problem.
EDIT: ugh, I meant to post this in the off-topic thread, oh well.
EDIT: ugh, I meant to post this in the off-topic thread, oh well.
EatinOlives
Member
I was under the impression that the very first time they showed this there wasn't an FOV issue?
The fact that it's unlikely that MS would severely cripple the FOV and never fix it makes me think this isn't that big a deal. That said, they really should fix the FOV or that alone will kill the hype completely for a lot of people.
The fact that it's unlikely that MS would severely cripple the FOV and never fix it makes me think this isn't that big a deal. That said, they really should fix the FOV or that alone will kill the hype completely for a lot of people.
you didn't watch the original demos either, you know?
you watched the whole "this is what it looks to the person wearing the headset" movie that depicts objects that persist even when the person with the headset isn't looking (or better - pointing their head directly) at them. It's a heavily scripted and not realistic depiction of the tech in its current state.
Descriptions like the Verge's, Anandtech's, WIRED's, that all say that the small FOV is a huge detriment to immersion, is what we actually should go by, not this promo video.
Prophet Steve
Member
It is not an easily solvable issue, also it is not entirely clear how Microsoft wants to release this product.
M
Macapala
Unconfirmed Member
Microsoft lying about their tech? Never!
BritBloke916
Member
Launch is mere months away (I believe they're saying "around the Windows 10 launch period"). The FOV of the units that they're showing to the press is going to be highly indicative of the first-generation product. Whether the issue can be more successfully addressed by later generation versions is dependant on the extent to which it is a limitation of their display tech, and whether or not better display tech becomes workable further down the line.
What they said was "in the windows 10 time frame", which can be anytime in the next few years.
How come there are so many people in this thread keep posting things based on their wrong memories without checking the fact first?
Pathfinder
Member
Surely you could have put some more thought into this post rather than drive-by'ing, which is heavily frowned upon here.
This isn't GameFAQ's or IGN.
I won't believe this.
NoPiece
Member
Because the "fact" has been reported differently. It may not be wrong memories, but where they read about Hololens.
The NY TImes:
BGR:
Daily Telegraph:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system
This is CastAR.I backed this kickstarter and even though it uses a 'wand' to interact with the virtual objects it still looks better than hololens at the moment.
I just hope the FOV is better than the current hololens when it's released.
I know it used a reflective sheet to make it work but it's a good starting point.
This is CastAR.I backed this kickstarter and even though it uses a 'wand' to interact with the virtual objects it still looks better than hololens at the moment.
I just hope the FOV is better than the current hololens when it's released.
I know it used a reflective sheet to make it work but it's a good starting point.
No sold for me because of that reflective sheet.
BritBloke916
Member
Indeed. In my case, I got the launch date information from Will Smith's highly detailed impressions video on the Tested.com website. Windows 10 launch timeframe is what the press were told during this most recent demonstration.
Alright, This is the proof that the didn't say anything close to "launch of windows 10".
https://youtu.be/6cOk5AeFyqo?t=6418
Press often extrapolate what people say, and I only believe in what is announced officially.
Hopefully by then I will ahve a spare room in my house that I can wallpaper with reflective material.
The hololens solution is better but for now I would prefer a bigger FOV+reflective sheet than small FOV+no reflective sheet.
BritBloke916
Member
I'm not disputing what was said back in January. I'm relaying new information that was provided to Build attendees by Microsoft PR officers a couple of days ago. Obviously it's entirely possible that MS has it's wires crossed internally, but if so then they really need to check their own release schedule before talking to a roomful of tech journalists.
I personally don't believe ms would make such mistake, since they have kept secrets well recently.
But you're right, press is not likely to easily make such mistake too.
I'll wait for an officially announcement.
Neuromancer
Member
Gamasutra's hands-on impressions:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...t_AR_game_dev_through_Microsofts_HoloLens.php
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...t_AR_game_dev_through_Microsofts_HoloLens.php
Gamasutra said the same thing:
Resident_UA
Member
Why is there even discussion around this? Did people forget about Kinect? Microsoft demos usually have nothing to do with reality. Let's hope they get close to what they promised, but as of now it's just a cool idea and nothing more.
Garrett 2U
Member
None of the tech in this headset was 'easily solvable', what they have right now is a very promising start though.
Except in this case, the press was able to demo the product from the day it was announced
Resident_UA
Member
That is debatable. What they demoed was very different to the actual product and required processing outside of the "product" via a bunch of processing units they had to wear. The demo was also extremely controlled. What they actually tried seems like an early prototype rather than the product
Natureboy99
Banned
I'm skeptical in general. MS hardware products tend to over-promise (Kinect). I think the real life uses aren't as practical as MS is saying, that it won't work as well as they are advertising. The FOV thing just makes it worse as I was assuming it was your whole FOV.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Press also demoed Kinect and said it was amazing. Not sure what your point is
Because it was amazing tech, and still is. It didn't even up being great for games due to a number of reasons but that doesn't mean it wasn't great tech. It worked much better on PC than it did on the underpowered 360.
Iced_Eagle
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http://www.neowin.net/news/round-2-with-hololens-a-bright-future-ahead-a-narrow-field-of-view-today
Neowin took promo images and modified them to show approximately the FOV.
Resident_UA
Member
So? It's still not what Miscrosoft was promising. And it isn't amazing for the reasons journalists were parsing it for. I like cool new ideas, but if something seems futuristic it's probably BS. It takes a while to get ideas to where you need them to be.
Blitzblotz
Banned
That fov is garbage. Is it me or is this industry becoming incompetent. Legalizing mary jane has turned the computer industry to mush-brained morons. "Duur lets hololens thru this tiny box THEY'LL LOVE IT
Memorabilia
Member
Kinect 3.0
Pathfinder
Member
I'm positive it's just you.
Natureboy99
Banned
Nope, not just him.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Kinect was a single piece of hardware tied to a low-powered system, it didn't really have much room to grow aside from software optimisation. Hololens is a platform on which multiple devices will release and evolve over time, so we're not stuck with the shortcomings of the first prototype. It's more akin to the advent of VR in which everyone was saying "This is mindblowing, but the resolution is really bad and there is significant tracking judder/latency issues". 3 years later and the tracking is virtually a none-issue and the resolution has already shown significant improvements, and will continue to do so. I think AR is a harder challenge than VR so it might take longer to get things to the level consumers want, but it'll be able to grow in a way Kinect wasn't afforded.
People are impatient, and while they're clamoring for VR to release, Oculus and Valve have made the smart move and waited until it's ready. Kinect is a good example of something that was perhaps released too soon and it completely soured gamers on the technology. (good) VR companies are trying to avoid giving people a bad first VR experience as much as possible, and I hope Microsoft have the patience with Hololens to not push it out before it's more fully formed.