That's evident in the article itself.
However your statement is we have no idea what was going on when in fact we MAY have an idea. That idea also fundamentally contradicts that it wasn't feasible for PCs.
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That's evident in the article itself.
However your statement is we have no idea what was going on when in fact we MAY have an idea. That idea also fundamentally contradicts that it wasn't feasible for PCs.
BigTnaples
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I would like to see this, although the asset resolution is not really a problem in current builds from what we can tell.
It is the absence or degradation in quality of effects.
Flexible Water Simulation
Volume Based Translucency
Volumetric Clouds
Forward Lit Soft Particles
Ariel Perspective Fog
Basically everything from the E32013 trailer/this tech trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g
Also things like LoD and Draw distance.
The assets themselves, such as textures, character models, weapons, armors, etc, all seem actually improved over 2013 versions. Just at the loss of everything else.
Sodding_Gamer
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Tin foil hat on: How about if CDProjekt are being masterful trolls and just letting us carry on with this until we finally realise there are extra settings in the PC version at launch to make it look amazing, hence why the dev on the forum just basically said wait until the PC version is in your hands.
I'm being a twat ignore me
Gareth Bale
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CD Projekt Red proper fucked this.
I imagine it would have been impossible to ship the game relying entire on Steam and GOG sales, but still unacceptable to show one thing and deliver another.
I imagine their shareholders will be happy. And other platforms were obviously never going to get the game that was originally shown - that much was obvious. Everyone else gets mugged off.
I imagine it would have been impossible to ship the game relying entire on Steam and GOG sales, but still unacceptable to show one thing and deliver another.
I imagine their shareholders will be happy. And other platforms were obviously never going to get the game that was originally shown - that much was obvious. Everyone else gets mugged off.
Krusenstern
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Tin foil hat on: How about if CDProjekt are being masterful trolls and just letting us carry on with this until we finally realise there are extra settings in the PC version at launch to make it look amazing, hence why the dev on the forum just basically said wait until the PC version is in your hands.
I'm being a twat ignore me
He just wants you to buy it of course. He doesn't give a shit what you think about the game afterwards.
publicpwnerer
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The hardware numbers are from the Steam hardware survey, updated monthly. The rise of F2P, Freemium, competitive gaming (LoL, Dota, CS etc), Early Access and Indie's are not "tales from my ass", these are clear and observable trends. Google anything related to "F2P PC revenue". I can't be arsed to do the work for you.
No one cares if little Johnny with his i7 and 980 is sore about it not being a PC exclusive, the publisher deemed the profits of developing exclusively for PC was not satisfactory enough.
People are blaming the spilled milk due to the fact that milk exists.
It was known from the start the TW3: Wild Hunt was multiplatform. The fact they (CDP) intentionally misled people, then slowly scaled down the graphics to adjust expectations / realities is on them, not on the fact that consoles exist.
P.S: If a mod wonders how this relates to the topic at hand...this is in relation to the 2 stages of internet grief, where people initially blame the developer / publishers, then blame consoles. (Regarding the downgrade).
So you're saying consoles ARE to blame, but that we shouldn't blame them 'cause money?
Ok. I disagree. As I mentioned above, Going the way they went with Witcher 2 could have achieved all their goals. We would have ended up with a better PC version, likely a betetr console version, AND they would have hit up multiple paltforms at the same time.
No one is suggesting they should have released Witcher 3 as a PC exlcusive. They could have worked on the PC first, released on PC, then ported to consoles.
Also, the last two games did well on PC, and Witcher 2 sold better on PC than consoles.
Even if they sat down and discussed this possibility and for whatever reason decided against it, misleading people along the way was a pretty shitty thing to do.
paperspace
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What the fuck. You're the one who mentioned F2P. I'm not going to look that up because it has nothing to do with the current subject.
F2P revenue tells us nothing about "enthusiast hardware", which I assume is required to run The Witcher 3 according to you?
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying. CDPR is mainly to blame here, but if it weren't for the weak consoles, we wouldn't be here discussing this. It's not because of the people with Dual Core + Intel 4000 like you mentioned earlier.
Again, that "interview" isn't credible information because there's no way of knowing if it's real or not. We do know there was a downgrade from the 2013 build by looking at novigrad, but we don't know why it was downgraded. It could just be for optimization purposes.. not necessarily platform parity, just stability in the final build.
huh? mad that they downgraded effects? if a 980 can't max it out, what rig are you working with that would've matched the 2013 gifs?
publicpwnerer
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That bolded part means that they/we knew from the start what platforms it was coming to, before any footage or material was revealed. They didn't decide mid-development then intentionally scale the game back.
There's some disturbing cognitive disconnect between the CDP fanboys actually blaming CDP for this, and instead choosing to aim all of their ire and woes at consoles. "It's those pesky consoles, they made CDP lie to us!!"
StreelyDan
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That is just not realistic. Both of the new consoles are starved for new games. Even if that was CDPR's plan, The console makers would have paid/incentivised them to release day and date. The days of AAA multiplatfiorm games releasing on PC first are over, with the exception being huge developers like Valve(HL3) or Blizzard(Diablo, maybe Overwatch)
Witcher 2 came a while after the 360 version. I dont think they have the resources or man power to do 3 versions of the game and focus on an incredible pc version as well, sadly. Obviously you say launch on pc first. I don't think thats an option right now, anmore. I think they were stretched thin, and had to do whatever they had to do to get the game upto speed on all platforms, meaning the pc version got culled. This is just my opinion after what I have seen and listening to the bombcast, plus other places where they stated they had seen multiple 1 hour long demo's of the game looking incredible, like the original footage. Then it sudden;y changes, after a delay.
I think the new consoles just don;t have the power these devs, Ubisoft included, thought they would. I have no actual idea and im just spit balling lol
cripterion
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Thanks for this. So that was from end of january? Coupled with the fact that they still use scenes from the SOD trailer as of this month, it would be pretty misleading of them if there's no settings to replicate that footage.
What?! That's gone too?
Sodding_Gamer
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What would you consider a simple "xbox port"?
Dead Rising 3?
Did you already pre-load the game? Fairly certain you can still cancel a pre-order. Also, we've known for quite some time that it didn't look like the 2013 trailer, so I'm not really sure how you got trapped.
Well, better luck next time I suppose.
Also, those rare few holding out that we're going to see anything that looks like the sword of destiny trailer need to completely drop that pretense. It's over. We've known for months that it's different. You will not be able to re-create all of that in the game. CDPR clearly misspoke about this, either through actually not knowing if they could nor not, or through straight lying. It's unclear, but it's true.
Still, some things, like character models, are greatly improved. It's not all bad.
CadetMahoney
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not surprised if thats the case these consoles are weak for this gens expectations.
Gumbie
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W2 came out on one console towards the end of it's life cycle and honestly I don't remember their being a huge marketing push like there is with this one. As far as sales go I expect W3 to sale well on all 3 platforms but will ultimately sell the most on PS4. Like I said earlier its the #1 selling Amazon ps4 game and #4 selling game overall atm.
JudgmentJay
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Has this been mentioned anywhere? "The Witcher 3 - XML Will Let You Enable Sharpening - "Uber" Terrain, Textures & LOD Options Found"
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/the-w...ning-uber-terrain-textures-lod-options-found/
Hopefully it's true and there are some hidden enhancements in there. Not holding my breath though.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/the-w...ning-uber-terrain-textures-lod-options-found/
Hopefully it's true and there are some hidden enhancements in there. Not holding my breath though.
cripterion
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On a lighter note, if it turns out the game has been downgraded, I'm expecting a shocking interview with a CDPR employee in the form of this dude :
A 580 didnt max out witcher 2, and there is Sli if a 980 couldn't max out the 2013 trailers. Didn't BF3 need 580 sli for ultra 60fps...
Gareth Bale
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Those would be two separate issues, if the later is even an issue.
Fuz
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This just proves the trick worked.
I think we're having a problem with the concept of possibility.
The linked article MAY be true. IF it is true then consoles are the reason those features were removed.
If the article ISN'T true that possibility still remains. As so many other possibilities, including yours. Nonetheless the statement that we have NO way of knowing is not true, since we MAY have an insider's story on the matter.
The disregard of such articles i never get anyway. It's clear to everyone that it would be career suicide for anyone to go on record making such statements yes? No one in their right mind would speak directly to the public in such a way. If you are waiting around for such a source and until then make suggestions that it might be otherwise then hfgl.
I believe some DX12 games are due by the end of this year.
As to would a DX12 patch bring back some of this stuff... who knows? I mean, it should improve performance, specially for people with low powered CPU's - and that might mean mroe people will be able to turn up some settings. But in the end it would require some conscious decision by CDPR to get some of this stuff back.
I don't think they would rework the assets though, so we're talking about improved lighting, mroe complex shaders, stuff that is simpler to enable or add, but that make some noticeable level of difference.
according to my previous post i'm not so concerned about graphic downgrade, but if the downgrade include something more than graphic i bought resident evil 1 HD and 4 HD and final fantasy x / x2 for ps4 just for backup solution.
i took a week for videogames and i'll spend one week on videogames.
i know that doing like this i'm part of the problem, but as a long time gamer i have a list of games that i want to play but i waited just to keep them safe for "bad weather"
i took a week for videogames and i'll spend one week on videogames.
i know that doing like this i'm part of the problem, but as a long time gamer i have a list of games that i want to play but i waited just to keep them safe for "bad weather"
But in the end eventhough we MAY have and idea - we don't ACTUALLY have one.
Edit: Wait never mind that. That doesn't make any sense. I definitely haven't got enough sleep today.
http://www.gamekyo.com/blog_article362422.html
French stream of the PC version with hairworks.
Game is beautiful !
French stream of the PC version with hairworks.
Game is beautiful !
cripterion
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I doubt many people would revoke their pre-orders if it did turn out to be downgraded, which in fairness it looks like it has based on what I've seen. Ultimately, the game still looks great overall, and has been incredibly well received. In other words, it looks to have exceeded or met expectations in critical reception, it's just not the graphical behemoth we may have expected, or were originally advertised.
The water is pretty poor tbh. Looks more like he's swimming in sludge or oil than it does water. The ripple dimensions are just too large, and they continuously pulsate in a strange way.
Dargor
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This is just to show that there is no developer out there whos looking out for their consumers and that people should be critical of them all.
cripterion
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Twitch compression and all but if that's Ultra with Hairworks there's no doubt it won't look like the SOD/VGX trailers come release
alexandros
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On a lighter note, if it turns out the game has been downgraded, I'm expecting a shocking interview with a CDPR employee in the form of this dude :
We can only hope.
War is universal
My stance based on everything I've seen lately is that foliage and per object motion blur have been changed/removed but many of the differences people have chalked up to lighting are due to the change in color grading. I myself have made that mistake a few times since I personally liked the older look a bit more but that's an artistic change, not a technical one.
But the French are so peaceful!
On a lighter note, if it turns out the game has been downgraded, I'm expecting a shocking interview with a CDPR employee in the form of this dude :
Yep we need this!
There is already one.On a lighter note, if it turns out the game has been downgraded, I'm expecting a shocking interview with a CDPR employee in the form of this dude :
https://youtu.be/9GW7G18keRI
EatinOlives
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You can bet whoever makes the video will have something to the effect of "We told them to just buy the game if they wanted to find out if we downgraded the game!"
ndawgdrake
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I'm inclined to agree here. Why on earth would you "hide" ultra settings content, the same settings that show the definitive fidelity of your game, pre-release? That's just silly. Plus we haven't seen a screen shot of the graphics settings on the PC version from any previews.
All this tip-toeing and being vague about the Ultra settings leads me to believe CDPR has some kind of parity media release agreement with either parents of the next gen twins.
So good. I don't understand it, I must, at some point get tired of this damn video, right? It's grown stale as a joke? Cliche as fuck?
FuckNo. I'm cracking up over here, like it's the first time
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