Hasphat'sAnts
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"WINTEFELL IS MY HOME AND YOU WILL NOT FRIGHTEN ME!"
*Gets raped 10 minutes later.
Like, how do the writers ever think that's thematically and tonally consistent?
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"WINTEFELL IS MY HOME AND YOU WILL NOT FRIGHTEN ME!"
*Gets raped 10 minutes later.
Like, how do the writers ever think that's thematically and tonally consistent?
m_shortpants
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Yeah Dorne was fucking awful. The Sand Snakes are terrible, and the whole plotline makes fucking no sense whatsoever.
The Arya scenes were good. The ending though, ugh, I still feel sick. That was even worse to watch than Oberyn, I think.
The Arya scenes were good. The ending though, ugh, I still feel sick. That was even worse to watch than Oberyn, I think.
Atraveller
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It's like for every good original moment in an episode, D&D made up two to three shit ones to balance it out.
Summary of the episode for everybody:
- Arya's arc continues to be the darkest of the season, as in the one with the least lighting. Also she gets smacked more times than Joffery then finds a bunch of faces.
- Tyrion describes to Jorah in great detail an event he never witnessed. Also slavers want Tyrion's penis (for money). Thankfully Penny is gone so the scene gets a +1
- Littlefinger used his jetpack to get to King's Landing. Tells Cersei the Boltons have Sansa and that he should be Warden of the North instead.
- Prince Doran has a conversation with a camera.
- Trystane confirmed to not be Aegon because he goes down like a bitch. Show is trying very hard to make him Oberyn Jr. He will die eventually in the most gruesome way possible and everybody will expect it.
- Jaime Lannister turns out to be a horrible negotiator. He and his sidekick get attacked by Power Rangers. I think one of them tries to give a Lord of the Rings speech beforehand but it comes out sounding like something from a Call of Duty game at best.
- One of the Power Rangers most likely poisoned Bronn. I mean come on who expected him to survive this season anyway? Also the camera breaks up the fight and shows some signs of emotion.
- Olenna continues to be the best character in the show. Hooker Dude uses Loras' upper thighs against him. Tommen does nothing to help his sexy wife that is being dragged away screaming from him.
- Sansa counters Ramsay's evil sex girl, giving us hope that she is transforming into a strong-willed and powerful woman!
- Less than 10 minutes later D&D destroy all hope for this with another rape scene. At least no dogs were involved! Excellent plan Littlefinger!
m_shortpants
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Agreed, maybe if she consented to it or went along with it, that would have been more consistent even. The way they showed it I can't even imagine why she agreed to LF in the first place.
Last Hearth
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If this was the best they could do with the Dorne material they should have cut out Dorne and gave us Manderly.
The Winterfel stuff was actually well done tonight. It made my stomach churn but then again the Winterfell chapters in the books were also stomach churning.
The Winterfel stuff was actually well done tonight. It made my stomach churn but then again the Winterfell chapters in the books were also stomach churning.
Askherserenity
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What a shit episode. Even my friends who haven't read the books feel like there's something off this season.
Dorne stuff was almost worse than actual rape.
Dorne stuff was almost worse than actual rape.
If she wanted to impress Ramsey she should have asked to shag on a rug made of Reek's corpse
-Pyromaniac-
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They're playing the long game. She will do something epic by the finale. Sometimes you need to get raped before you overcome.
Or something.
Last Hearth
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I think the whole thing is supposed to imply that despite the physical rape Sansa is going to remain mentally strong.
Did you miss the facial reactions after Miranda left? She's still terrified. She came to Winterfell expecting to play checkers, and the Boltons pulled out the chess board.
Mr. Wonderful
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The name of the episode is so distasteful after that ending.
Congratulations on your shock value through rape, HBO.
Congratulations on your shock value through rape, HBO.
The reactions in this thread are fucking hilarious. That wasn't that bad at all. They did the bare minimum of terrible things they had to choose from, they showed next to nothing of the actual act, and then they let Alfie Allen absolutely destroy for like 10 seconds with nothing but facial expressions. He's so good.
Overall amazing episode outside of the kind of bad fight scene. I don't get how the show is so inconsistent with that stuff. Love it one episode hate it the next. If Bronn dies from that poison I'm gonna be pretty upset.
Arya scenes really blew me away, better than I ever expected. Littlefinger is a boss. Tommen is not. Ah well, excited for the rest of the season and can't wait to see it all blow up in Cersei's face.
Overall amazing episode outside of the kind of bad fight scene. I don't get how the show is so inconsistent with that stuff. Love it one episode hate it the next. If Bronn dies from that poison I'm gonna be pretty upset.
Arya scenes really blew me away, better than I ever expected. Littlefinger is a boss. Tommen is not. Ah well, excited for the rest of the season and can't wait to see it all blow up in Cersei's face.
They should have cut Dorne instead of the Iron Islands. Vic & Euron would have easier to adapt and about 100 times more entertaining than this.
Seriously.
"Hey, so you remember that guy who killed your older brother and your mother? Well he is here holding Winterfell, your home, and I want to marry you to his son so you can join their family. Sound like a good plan? Nothing can possibly go wrong."
I still can't get over that.
KingHenrik30
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"Gee, we just don't have anything for Sansa to do this season!"
"How about Littlefinger teaches her cunning and diplomacy in the Erie"
"How about, rape?"
"Sounds good, we'll go with rape"
"How about Littlefinger teaches her cunning and diplomacy in the Erie"
"How about, rape?"
"Sounds good, we'll go with rape"
Subterranean
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YES!
Rabbit Lord
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The scene was hard to watch, but I don't think it was a bad scene or ruined the show. It was perfectly in character for Ramsey. It also shows that Littlefinger didn't really know who he was handing Sansa over too, I don't think this was part of his plan.
If they introduced fake Arya and everything played out the same way would people be as upset? The real problem is the poor writing of the Winterfell story line and that Sansa has already been through hell and they show decided to keep piling on. That seems like a bad decision.
In other news, The Sandsnake stuff is terrible.
If they introduced fake Arya and everything played out the same way would people be as upset? The real problem is the poor writing of the Winterfell story line and that Sansa has already been through hell and they show decided to keep piling on. That seems like a bad decision.
In other news, The Sandsnake stuff is terrible.
Atraveller
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God damn it!
So, this may not be the best question right now. BUT: Is there any reason a strong character/character in the middle of becoming strong can't suffer in the middle?
God this sounds horrible. Basically what I'm saying is that Sansa cannot be physically strong enough to resist rape, but she can still come out on top from a development perspective right?
God this sounds horrible. Basically what I'm saying is that Sansa cannot be physically strong enough to resist rape, but she can still come out on top from a development perspective right?
Hasphat'sAnts
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Yes but for slightly different reasons.
Fake Arya would've been a character that's introduced explicitly for no other purpose besides getting raped. That's exploitative and gross on several levels.
It'll be hard for him to sing while he's dying in agony from that cut.
"Where are we at on the unnecessary rape scene quota? One more?"
"Spin the wheel!"
Last Hearth
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I actually didn't have a problem with the Winterfell stuff, it still makes no sense that Sansa ever agreed to go there but now that she's there those scenes were fine.
The Dorne stuff just pisses me off because they across a so cheesy.
The Dorne stuff just pisses me off because they across a so cheesy.
Askherserenity
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They could have just gone with what was going on in the books if they wanted that.
cj_iwakura
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That fight really was lame. Taken 3 levels of cut overdose.
Mr. Axeman is still as good as he was in the books, though.
I don't expect much of him, though.
So war next episode? Bolton heads, spikes, walls? Please?
Mr. Axeman is still as good as he was in the books, though.
I don't expect much of him, though.
So war next episode? Bolton heads, spikes, walls? Please?
I really like that song.
Ganzlinger
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Some scenes were kinda "meh".. I enjoyed King's Landing today, it was the best part for me.
Winterfell was expected... the rumours were true so I wasn't surprised. Actually I thought it would be something more shocking (thank God no)... so... Sansa losing her virginity to Ramsay will be something useful to her character development or to the story? Because hell... I can only think this change was made to satisfy D&D's perversions. Like, what now? If Ramsay dies in a few episodes, this marriage would be something completely empty.
And the fight scene in Dorne... so bad executed.. the Sand Snakes are embarassing until now.
Winterfell was expected... the rumours were true so I wasn't surprised. Actually I thought it would be something more shocking (thank God no)... so... Sansa losing her virginity to Ramsay will be something useful to her character development or to the story? Because hell... I can only think this change was made to satisfy D&D's perversions. Like, what now? If Ramsay dies in a few episodes, this marriage would be something completely empty.
And the fight scene in Dorne... so bad executed.. the Sand Snakes are embarassing until now.
hipsterpants
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So yeah:
+ Arya's storyline is excellent. The room with the masks was awesome. Definitely looking forward to more assassin training!
+ KL plot is pretty solid as well. It's funny watching Margaery realize her king is completely worthless. Cersei's downfall should be entertaining.
+ Tyrion/Jorah was great. I'm looking forward to their future interactions, especially when they meet Dany.
- Dorne sucks ass. What is Doran's plan? Why was that the worst choreographed fight I've possibly ever seen?
- Jesus Christ that Sansa scene. You can't hint at character development and then take it all away in a cuhrazy shock scene that serves no purpose. Alfie Allen is amazing though.
People aren't giving enough to crap to LF though. It was his terrible plan that caused this to happen. But I'm sure that will never be brought up by the show.
+ Arya's storyline is excellent. The room with the masks was awesome. Definitely looking forward to more assassin training!
+ KL plot is pretty solid as well. It's funny watching Margaery realize her king is completely worthless. Cersei's downfall should be entertaining.
+ Tyrion/Jorah was great. I'm looking forward to their future interactions, especially when they meet Dany.
- Dorne sucks ass. What is Doran's plan? Why was that the worst choreographed fight I've possibly ever seen?
- Jesus Christ that Sansa scene. You can't hint at character development and then take it all away in a cuhrazy shock scene that serves no purpose. Alfie Allen is amazing though.
People aren't giving enough to crap to LF though. It was his terrible plan that caused this to happen. But I'm sure that will never be brought up by the show.
Cersei says that Robert drunkenly took advantage of her when they were married. She's still alive so I guess that counts as on top.
I'd been enjoying this season so far, but this episode was basically indefensible. What a shit-stained disgrace.
I'm so glad Sansa has had four seasons worth of character development just so she could be a little mean to some lowborn girl who's washing her hair!
And what the fuck is going on at Dorne, man. They're managing to make it a filler arc even worse than Skull Drinker from Gin Alley.
There was one good scene in this entire episode: Arya "sending off" the little girl.
Easily the worst Game of Thrones episode so far.
I'm so glad Sansa has had four seasons worth of character development just so she could be a little mean to some lowborn girl who's washing her hair!
And what the fuck is going on at Dorne, man. They're managing to make it a filler arc even worse than Skull Drinker from Gin Alley.
There was one good scene in this entire episode: Arya "sending off" the little girl.
Easily the worst Game of Thrones episode so far.
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Watch it. Karl was a fookin' legend!
dsp
Member
Dornish bits of the show are killing me, except for Bronn. He still has the best lines in the show. Other than that I thought it was a good episode. Winterfell looked really good in this episode, particularly the wedding at the Godswood. Fantastic set design and shots in that. I also liked the House of Black & White bits.
Considering what I was expecting, I was a little relieved.
Also, I completely agree with the guy who said they should have kept in the Iron Islands instead of Dorne. Keeping in line with shows pace of things they'd probably make very good characters on the show.
Considering what I was expecting, I was a little relieved.
Also, I completely agree with the guy who said they should have kept in the Iron Islands instead of Dorne. Keeping in line with shows pace of things they'd probably make very good characters on the show.
LifEndz
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Bad episode. From Jaime and Bron waltzing all through the water gardens and even able to come within ten feet of the prince without being spotted to that horrible fighting scene to Margeray getting taken by a bunch of guys with sticks? Seriously, these are a bunch of guys carrying sticks and the kingsguard does nothing? It felt incredibly convenient that Loras just happened to give his sword to someone right as he got arrested, but for margs to get imprisoned in front of guards sworn to protect her? Give me a break.
Then the ending...good lord. Shock value because they need a new red wedding to get Twitter abuzz?
If anything, this is a testament to GRRM's ability to craft a story. These guys are past book material and doing a horrible job at making the show.
Then the ending...good lord. Shock value because they need a new red wedding to get Twitter abuzz?
If anything, this is a testament to GRRM's ability to craft a story. These guys are past book material and doing a horrible job at making the show.
higgsboson1997
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Haha, you guys are too oversensitive. That wasn't nearly as bad as Jeyne Poole's stuff. And how do you know that the scene served no purpose?
Great episode for me.
Great episode for me.
We'll find out in only 5 or 6 years...
Rabbit Lord
Member
I agree with you, However I don't think the same scene with fake arya gets nearly the same reaction.
Hey, when a character on a different HBO show
Treme
cj_iwakura
Member
As unpleasant as the last scene was, I think they handled it about as tastefully as possible. It was all in Theon's reactions.
Victarion kidnapping Jaime and Bronn and taking them to Meereen would be 1000x better than anything in Dorne. Just send the Sand Snakes to King's Landing and Make Doran a background figure until the end of the season.
I didn't at first, I actually found them quite interesting. But after everything Sansa went through in terms of plot development, she should have been the one manipulating Ramsay that wedding night. I mean just look at the end of last season, how she interacts with Baelish. Having her be raped destroys all her character development and, frankly, is just terrible writing.
Ganzlinger
Member
The old man is great. I miss him.
Askherserenity
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I mean, there's a reason why everyone fell in love with the show...and it wasn't D&D's writing. Good for some of you guys sticking up for the show though!
hipsterpants
Member
Preview stuff:
At least we have a Theon/Sansa team up?
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