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LaunchPadMcQ (0)
freakzilla149 (2)
SalvaPot
Darryl
HippieHobo (1)
RobotNinjaHornets
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Animal Crossing Mafia |OT| - Making Animal Friends Is Awesome!
- Thread starter Karkador
- Start date
Current Votes for this Round (12 needed for majority)
(a
LaunchPadMcQ (0)
freakzilla149 (2)
SalvaPot
Darryl
HippieHobo (1)
RobotNinjaHornets
Time Left Until Day 2 Ends
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
It's the distance, probably next village over
Surprised noone's said anything about my vote yet
I can understand where you are coming from with your vote as I was thinking along the same lines at the start of Day 2. However the amount at they posted at the start of the day seemed to be them trying to make up for barely posting on D1 and they seem like they are a genuine new player.
Of course due to this it is hard to say if they are a town member trying to learn the game or a HHA member trying to learn and adapt to their position.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
So, I noticed something kind of weird. Maybe I missed it, but Tucah didn't leave a message for us, did he? "Tucah the Commuter is gone for good." doesn't seem like a message an evicted person would leave. So, he didn't leave a message; or did the circumstances of his eviction make it so that he couldn't? I would figure most people would leave a message, even if it's something insignificant (which is all they can really do).
Alternative scenario, that's the message he left and Tucah's last move was to try to throw us for a loop.
Rereading them, Nin's posts are looking kind of strange to me now. I mean, he could just be defending Freak because he also has a relatively low post count, but this seemed like a bit of an overreaction. More than defending Freak, which can either be to draw more attention to Freak or draw it away from him (and to the roomies in later posts), it's really just drawing attention to him. Something to ponder...
Yeah, I pretty much said as much a few pages ago. I'm still in agreement with this line of thinking; keeping Ultron in play for now is a good idea, even if he's very likely neutral. On the other hand, if we're convinced on taking out a casualty in this next turn, Ultron is a safe bet to not be a townie. Just saying.
Alternative scenario, that's the message he left and Tucah's last move was to try to throw us for a loop.
Rereading them, Nin's posts are looking kind of strange to me now. I mean, he could just be defending Freak because he also has a relatively low post count, but this seemed like a bit of an overreaction. More than defending Freak, which can either be to draw more attention to Freak or draw it away from him (and to the roomies in later posts), it's really just drawing attention to him. Something to ponder...
Yeah, I pretty much said as much a few pages ago. I'm still in agreement with this line of thinking; keeping Ultron in play for now is a good idea, even if he's very likely neutral. On the other hand, if we're convinced on taking out a casualty in this next turn, Ultron is a safe bet to not be a townie. Just saying.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Also, I think the Star Wars thread exploded because they had a very convincing suspect right off the bat. Conversely, this thread is filled with crafty bastards.
Players are welcome to send me a farewell message when they're out of the game, but it will be clear it was from them ("Tucah says..."), and it cannot contain any relevant game information.
So with that said, Tucah has not sent me anything yet.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I've been a tad suspicious of Hippie since all his initial posts were completely unrelated to the game. When he played the inexperience card initially he came across as rather genuine to me, but since then posts such as this...
...make me feel he is maybe going to far to state his inexperience? As this post just kind goes and states the obvious to me? Now as you say this could just be a brand new player trying to learn the ropes. Heck I've been taking it slow learning how this variation of forum mafia plays out, I'm used to having clues to solve during the day. I guess Hippie is just coming across as very erratic right now.
More like defending all the players with low posting count ( yes including me lol ) as it rightfully bothered me to see you guys pointing fingers at him and voting in him really fast. I can understand that voting in him got him talking but well.
Hrmmm... seems like things have slowed down a bit today. Definitely would love to see some of the quieter villagers chime in some, we're over halfway through this day phase. I'll likely hold my vote till as late as possible tomorrow evening (EDT timezone).
As an exercise, I'm curious how people are feeling about there fellow villagers in a general sense, say on a 0-100 scale where 0 is definite HHA and 100 is definite town. For example I currently have high confidence (say 80% or so) in one of my fellow villagers currently being town. Most everyone else falls into a 45-55% gut reaction range with maybe 2-3 in the 40% strong hunch range.
As an exercise, I'm curious how people are feeling about there fellow villagers in a general sense, say on a 0-100 scale where 0 is definite HHA and 100 is definite town. For example I currently have high confidence (say 80% or so) in one of my fellow villagers currently being town. Most everyone else falls into a 45-55% gut reaction range with maybe 2-3 in the 40% strong hunch range.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Haly - 20%
Kalor - 20%
Kingkitty - 20%
salvapot - 30%
Darryl - 20%
RobotNinja - 50%
Mazre - 70%
Hobohodo - 20%
Razmos - 50%
Toma - 50%
Foshy - 20%
Ultron - 10%
fran - 20%
21GunShow - 30%
SmokinGunZ - 10%
Nin1000 - 20%
Coppanuva - 20%
HippieHobo - 40%
Kalor - 20%
Kingkitty - 20%
salvapot - 30%
Darryl - 20%
RobotNinja - 50%
Mazre - 70%
Hobohodo - 20%
Razmos - 50%
Toma - 50%
Foshy - 20%
Ultron - 10%
fran - 20%
21GunShow - 30%
SmokinGunZ - 10%
Nin1000 - 20%
Coppanuva - 20%
HippieHobo - 40%
LaunchpadMcQ - 1%
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I should add I think Ultron is neutral and I don't know enough about SmokinGunZ.
I was sad I was at 20% then I realized most of your list is <=20% so...
Also since you think Ultron is a third party, anyone else you think is on that team? Presumably a "neutral" third party would have their own aim (similar to the mafia's, be the last one standing), and likely be more than 1 person strong. Any guesses?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Alright guys, we're getting these lulls of inactivity, and I know people have lives outside of this game, but these dips in activity help our HHA enemy by leading us to make misinformed decisions or not taking any at all.
I want to take this investigation in a slightly different direction. So far, by my count (and I could have forgot someone), there are five people claiming to be regular villagers. My list so far is:
LaunchpadMcQ
freakzilla149
Tamo
RobotNinja
SalvaPot
Who else is a regular, powerless villager? It'll help us narrow things down a bit. Don't worry, you're less likely to be targeted by HHA if you admit to being average; we hold little value over the specials. It'll help form a picture.
Yeah sorry, nothing personal. I just think you're all lying sacks of shit. :/
Nothing conclusive as of yet on anyone else. His role description just screams neutral, especially the part about him being able to hide his allegiance.
I want to take this investigation in a slightly different direction. So far, by my count (and I could have forgot someone), there are five people claiming to be regular villagers. My list so far is:
LaunchpadMcQ
freakzilla149
Tamo
RobotNinja
SalvaPot
Who else is a regular, powerless villager? It'll help us narrow things down a bit. Don't worry, you're less likely to be targeted by HHA if you admit to being average; we hold little value over the specials. It'll help form a picture.
Yeah sorry, nothing personal. I just think you're all lying sacks of shit. :/
Nothing conclusive as of yet on anyone else. His role description just screams neutral, especially the part about him being able to hide his allegiance.
but it also makes it easier for the mafia to pinpoint who has a special role.
A1 - Haly. Either a really good HHA player or a really good townie player, useful and keeps the ball rolling. 50%
A2 - Kalor. Plays in smart burst resuming what others have said and giving a brief analysis. No reasons to suspect yet. 30%
A3 - Kingkitty Seems to heavily side with launchpad and was very active after he was nominated, later on he was not as much. May be just a coincidence, since he has been active, but not as mucho. 70%
A4 - salvapot. A handsome guy, totally cool and know for his keen senses of observation. Loved by all the town and no one would ever kill him. 10%
A5 - Darryl. Pro-evicting roomies, also claimed to be his first time playing and also was the least active of the users at first. I think he is suspect. 70%
B1 - RobotNinjaHornets. Eh, I think he is townie. Active and insightful, if HHA he has not given away anything so far. 30%
B3 - Mazre: This one is hard since he has already claimed, but fake claims are nothing new. Either way, I think this one is in the air. 50%
B4 - Hobohodo: So far he seems reasonable. All his post are both safe and short, mostly an observer... I need to get a better read of him. 50%
B5 - Razmos: 60%
C1 - Tomakasatnav: Seems fairly relaxed and knowledgeable, yet I have a hard time suspecting him 20%
C2 - Tucah - Evicted Night 1
C3 - freakzilla149 Reasons given before, 70%
C5 - Timeaisis Outspoken and making an effort to keep the ball rolling, just like haly, 50%
D1 - Ourobolus After the first day I think he is towny, I hope I don´t regret it 30 %
D2 - Foshy (1 prod) Inactive and confirmed by karkador, so we will see. 50%
D4 - franconp & ultron87 Dunno, I honestly don´t want to evict them yet.
D5 - 21GunShow Seems defensive to me, 60%
E1 - SmokinGunZ1981 (1 prod) Same as foshy
E2 - nin1000 Got out of its way to defend freakzilla, and that is either really naive or a tell that they are partners in a way. What kind of partners? Well, its just a theory. 60%.
E3 - Coppanuva I can´t read this guy at all, 50%
E4 - LaunchpadMcQ I am on to you launch =P 70%
E5 - Hippiehobo, Man, this guy is either brilliant or a complete newbie, either way he is playing sharp, I want to see him in the game, he is entertaining 50%
You can add me to that list.
I think a lot of people are tired out by the witchhunt over freak.
I wanted to step in at some point but I was content with watching it play out. Many other people seem to be taking the same approach, which led to this lull.
Frankly Day 2 hasn't been very informative, in fact I'm less confident in my guesses than I was on Day 1. I still believe we need an eviction, however, if just for more information so I'm going to vote:
VOTE: Hippiehobo
1) He greeted everyone for Day 2 before Karkador officially opened Day 2. He played it off as misreading the time, but this is very strange because he was hardly active at all during the first day, with only four posts, none of them actually discussing the evictions and accusations. It took him a full 30 hours to post in this thread when it was first opened. He never seemed as invested in this game as some other people were. Why so eager to get in the first post on Day 2?
2) When he noticed his gaffe, he was suddenly very enthusiastic about pointing fingers at other people, particularly the ones who were most active in Day 1, who were obvious targets for deflection. There wasn't a lot of rhyme or reason to his posts, he was just making a lot of noise. No one had even suspected him at that point.
3) He leaned on his novice status very heavily. A bit too heavily, in fact. This was his last serious post regarding the game before Night, and actually his only post that wasn't a joke or roleplaying.
And then after his "messup":
Did he just then notice that we were playing a variant of Mafia? It seemed he was content playing the fool on Day 1, but that flew out the window on Day 2. Why?
Furthermore, these were Karkador's posts following Hippie's premature Day 2 greeting:
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I was in Karkador's shoes I would be trying to cover for Hippiehobo because, as HHA, posting like it's Day when it's still Night is one of the biggest mistakes possible.
I believe he rushed the post out the door when he noticed Hippiehobo's mistake, and later cleaned it up. You'll notice an edit stamp on that post 3 hours after it originally went up. I looked at his history and outside of the posts where he keeps track of voting, he never edits himself. He's not a prolific editor like some other posters are. What did he edit in? I don't know. What's important is that Karkador, who usually thinks his game master posts through before posting them, threw up a post haphazardly immediately after a mistake by one of the players, and then felt like touching it up at a later date.
4) I do think Hippiehobo is a novice Mafia player, but I think he's also HHA as well. The role is likely more complex than he was prepared for when he signed up. He kept silent on Day 1 and observed and asked Karkador questions because he was unsure of what to do. He probably also interacted with the other HHA on their secret board, where they advised him to take a wait and see approach.
Day 2 came and everyone on the HHA board noticed his mistake. They told him he needs to defend himself or it'll get out of hand. This explains the uptick in activity. Ironically, his activity drew more unwanted attention. This is all in line with what I expect from a novice Mafia who hasn't really thought the game through.
The thing with mistakes is, an honest mistake is easily brushed off. There's no guilt, no pressure. But a mistake born of guilt creates tension and panic. I am a member of another community with Hippiehobo, and I have a mental profile of him. I don't tbelieve he's the kind of person to which guile comes naturally. So I'm categorizing his eccentricity on Day 2 as "panic", and attributing that "panic" to his mistake as an HHA member.
Really, I just want to get an eviction because if we end another day without an eviction we might as well give up now because this shit isn't going anywhere. We started Day 1 ready to evict the roomies before everyone got cold feet at the last second and backed out (I pulled my vote because if it wasn't going anywhere then I wanted Night 1 to come faster so I can get some information). On Day 2, we started with the freakzilla witchhunt that was progressing nicely until everyone backed out again.
I don't know if you guys figured it out yet, but it doesn't fucking matter if you don't have a role.
You're Town.
You have the power to Evict.
Fucking exercise it already.
I think a lot of people are tired out by the witchhunt over freak.
I wanted to step in at some point but I was content with watching it play out. Many other people seem to be taking the same approach, which led to this lull.
Frankly Day 2 hasn't been very informative, in fact I'm less confident in my guesses than I was on Day 1. I still believe we need an eviction, however, if just for more information so I'm going to vote:
VOTE: Hippiehobo
1) He greeted everyone for Day 2 before Karkador officially opened Day 2. He played it off as misreading the time, but this is very strange because he was hardly active at all during the first day, with only four posts, none of them actually discussing the evictions and accusations. It took him a full 30 hours to post in this thread when it was first opened. He never seemed as invested in this game as some other people were. Why so eager to get in the first post on Day 2?
2) When he noticed his gaffe, he was suddenly very enthusiastic about pointing fingers at other people, particularly the ones who were most active in Day 1, who were obvious targets for deflection. There wasn't a lot of rhyme or reason to his posts, he was just making a lot of noise. No one had even suspected him at that point.
3) He leaned on his novice status very heavily. A bit too heavily, in fact. This was his last serious post regarding the game before Night, and actually his only post that wasn't a joke or roleplaying.
Hippiehobo said:
And then after his "messup":
Hippiehobo said:
Hippiehobo said:
Hippiehobo said:
Did he just then notice that we were playing a variant of Mafia? It seemed he was content playing the fool on Day 1, but that flew out the window on Day 2. Why?
Furthermore, these were Karkador's posts following Hippie's premature Day 2 greeting:
Karkador said:
Karkador said:
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I was in Karkador's shoes I would be trying to cover for Hippiehobo because, as HHA, posting like it's Day when it's still Night is one of the biggest mistakes possible.
I believe he rushed the post out the door when he noticed Hippiehobo's mistake, and later cleaned it up. You'll notice an edit stamp on that post 3 hours after it originally went up. I looked at his history and outside of the posts where he keeps track of voting, he never edits himself. He's not a prolific editor like some other posters are. What did he edit in? I don't know. What's important is that Karkador, who usually thinks his game master posts through before posting them, threw up a post haphazardly immediately after a mistake by one of the players, and then felt like touching it up at a later date.
4) I do think Hippiehobo is a novice Mafia player, but I think he's also HHA as well. The role is likely more complex than he was prepared for when he signed up. He kept silent on Day 1 and observed and asked Karkador questions because he was unsure of what to do. He probably also interacted with the other HHA on their secret board, where they advised him to take a wait and see approach.
Day 2 came and everyone on the HHA board noticed his mistake. They told him he needs to defend himself or it'll get out of hand. This explains the uptick in activity. Ironically, his activity drew more unwanted attention. This is all in line with what I expect from a novice Mafia who hasn't really thought the game through.
The thing with mistakes is, an honest mistake is easily brushed off. There's no guilt, no pressure. But a mistake born of guilt creates tension and panic. I am a member of another community with Hippiehobo, and I have a mental profile of him. I don't tbelieve he's the kind of person to which guile comes naturally. So I'm categorizing his eccentricity on Day 2 as "panic", and attributing that "panic" to his mistake as an HHA member.
Really, I just want to get an eviction because if we end another day without an eviction we might as well give up now because this shit isn't going anywhere. We started Day 1 ready to evict the roomies before everyone got cold feet at the last second and backed out (I pulled my vote because if it wasn't going anywhere then I wanted Night 1 to come faster so I can get some information). On Day 2, we started with the freakzilla witchhunt that was progressing nicely until everyone backed out again.
I don't know if you guys figured it out yet, but it doesn't fucking matter if you don't have a role.
You're Town.
You have the power to Evict.
Fucking exercise it already.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Tucah, we'll carry on your will <3
Also, amazing formatting Kark.
Also, amazing formatting Kark.
I have felt shots in my willingness to participate because everything just gets shut down. I jump in on the evict the roomies movement. Nothing. I jump in on the evict Freakzilla movement. Nothing. I've been agreeing with the crowd the entire time and everything is getting turned back around on me LOL.
HippieHobo
HippieHobo
I'm in favor of this admittedly. Not knowing people got evicted in the middle of the night is almost too big a mistake to pass off, given that night time evictions were talked about plenty on day 1. Also, on the chance he is a Townie, we would weed out inexperience earlier on, which would hopefully be beneficial in the long run.
freakzilla149
Banned
Alright then, I'm satisfied that this about as much evidence we're gonna have at this point.
Vote: Hippiehobo
Sorry Hippiehobo, I have no idea if its you but I'm not sure I'll be back to this thread before night, so I have to vote now.
Vote: Hippiehobo
Sorry Hippiehobo, I have no idea if its you but I'm not sure I'll be back to this thread before night, so I have to vote now.
Huh... so I'm the target now?
This is my first game, yes it took me a while to get the grasp of it.
I am not HHA...
You all are making a mistake evicting one of your own.
But I am noticing a pattern here.
Haly is very suspicious to me. She has gone back and forth between many players, but she's not accusing a particular group of players. She's with the HHA, I can feel it.
Double Vote: Haly.
At first I thought it wouldn't make sense to have a HHA in the corner, considering my position and that I'm not a HHA, but then I realized that if placement was random, then Haly could very much be HHA.
Guys think about it. She's a genius, she knows the game, she's been going on a streak accusing players and voting against them since the first Day 1. She's an experienced player. She's the perfect Mafia player who would try to create commotion among townies while trying to protect her affiliated HHA members.
It's so obvious when one reads her post history. (!!)
Guys think about it. She's a genius, she knows the game, she's been going on a streak accusing players and voting against them since the first Day 1. She's an experienced player. She's the perfect Mafia player who would try to create commotion among townies while trying to protect her affiliated HHA members.
It's so obvious when one reads her post history. (!!)
That's my special ability.
CURRENT PHASE
Current Votes for this Round (12 needed for majority)
(a
LaunchPadMcQ (0)
freakzilla149 (1)
SalvaPot
HippieHobo (4)
RobotNinjaHornets
Haly
Darryl
freakzilla149
Haly (2)
HippieHobo (doubled)
Time Left Until Day 2 Ends
Does that vote have double weight?! Oh shit, I'm gonna have to think over this more. I'm going to save my votes until the last minute if I can, just seems better to me.
what's the name of your role?
Ill ask, why the sudden interest?
why are you unable to answer?
you obviously have a power, Karkador just confirmed it with his vote count.
so why can't you answer? are you some type of mafia with the power to double vote?
my gut (which is 35 percent accurate) says mafia wouldn't have this type of power. But if you're unable to tell me your title...it's weird to me.
Oh, I'm so sorry for using the wrong pronoun.
Tell me, are affiliated with the HHA in any shape or form? Any suspicious activity you've meddled yourself into after you came to this town?
That double vote.
Now THAT is what I wanted to see.
Hot damn this game is getting started for real now.
kingkitty, just a FYI, but mafia roles with double voting powers is not unheard of, its actually fairly common in big games. BUT they are usually paired with a GOOD role that can double vote too.
So either hobo is confirmed good or there two double voters in this game (Or a rare third case of a double voter happens)
Oh! There is also a role in some games that can be good OR bad depending on the day it was evicted/win the game, but that would be even more confusing.
But considering his role actually needs to be revealed in the day with a command (Double Vote)... I think he is an asset to the town, even if he is bad, the fact that he reveal it means he has to follow the town (or lead) to avoid suspicion.
On the voting? Because, I posted my first post before seeing the votes. After I posted I saw the updated numbers, and you're still the plurality winner (with 4). In the event that no candidate has the majority of votes, whoever has the most votes currently is evicted. I don't want an obvious town member to get voted out due to the rules working out that way. If I can push another player who I don't know for sure is a villager to the boundary that doesn't evict a known villager (as Karkador and you proved you are), then I'm going to do that play.
It's just a defense. There's nothing special to it.
I am curious why the double voting is public, Karkador. Doesn't that give away Hippiehobo's role if he decides to change his mind later down the road?
Or is this standard for double voters, I'm reading up on it now.
I am curious why the double voting is public, Karkador. Doesn't that give away Hippiehobo's role if he decides to change his mind later down the road?
Or is this standard for double voters, I'm reading up on it now.
It's one time though. How come no one is questioning Razmos who confirmed to have a ranged ability type? He seems suspicious to me given that after day 1 he's been inactive.
I also realize that my use of my one-time action and my taunt towards the HHA and my activity puts me in the eyes of them, as a potential target. But they would be going for a small fish.
I also realize that my use of my one-time action and my taunt towards the HHA and my activity puts me in the eyes of them, as a potential target. But they would be going for a small fish.
It's one time though. How come no one is questioning Razmos who confirmed to have a ranged ability type? He seems suspicious to me given that after day 1 he's been inactive.
I also realize that my use of my one-time action and my taunt towards the HHA and my activity puts me in the eyes of them, as a potential target. But they would be going for a small fish.
So, does this mean you can´t change your vote now, its used and that is it? You can´t unvote and save it for later?