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Iron Man 3 is a decent movie

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Number_6

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He retired. In the next RDJ appearance in the MCU [Avengers 2], his retirement is totally ignored. They gave no explanation why he is back using Iron Man suits and fighting.

In IM3 ending was good, but looking at it after Avengers 2, it looks weird.

Do you need an explanation for everything in a movie?

Besides, he didn't retire. He got over his issues and hangups from the first movie and from The Avengers. Removing the arc reactor and blowing up the suits was a gesture. Like if you have a bad breakup, you get over it, and you toss out all her/his old pictures/notes/stuff.

Last words of Iron Man 3: "I am Iron Man".
 

rezuth

Member
But it's not an 80's cheesy action movie. And it is pretty damn good. I guess we just disagree.

We can disagree but lets hear what Kevin Feige (President of Marvel) has to say about the matter.

It’s a throwback to action movies from the 80s and 90s and just sort of has a balls-to-the-wall nature to it.

I do agree that its pretty good but just not as an Iron Man movie.
 
The handling of the Mandarin ruined this movie for me, as while the reveal was fun, the villain afterwards couldn't hold a scene. They needed someone a lot better - the stark drop in quality from kingsley to pearce's character was jarring as hell.
 
I liked it when I first saw it, but my girlfriend hated it. Our opinion have mellowed slightly, but we're still very divided. I can see why it's a divisive movie,though.
 

Forkball

Member
It had fire monsters in it.

Fire monsters.

I also hated the hokey ass plot line with the kid and Tony hiding in a stereotypical southern bar.

Downey is fun to watch in all three films, but Iron Man 1 is the only good Iron Man movie. The other two are watchable enough but extremely forgettable.
 
it's not the best of the mcu (it's very high up there tho), but for what is mostly a bland universe imo this ended up being suprisingly ballsy and different for them

- he's out of the suit most of the time (resulting in a cool action scene where he only has the arm and the leg)

- second act where he just hangs out with a kid

- mandarin brings to mind those osama bin laden cia filming conspiracy theories lmao

and most importantly....eiffel 65 intro lmao
 

NotLiquid

Member
Horrible movie, the Heroe is never in any real danger, the villain is a joke character. Not really an action movie.

I get many of the complaints people have against movie but I really do not get this one at all.

Tony is outnumbered throughout the entire movie. He only gets by through sheer extended improv. Even during the final battle sequence, the Extremis goons have just as much potential to rip the armors to shreds. The only time he's at any clear advantage is during the mansion sequence, and even he gets up-ended by the Mandarin twist catching him off guard.
 
Shitty ass movie with
a fake Mandarin, even though Ben Kingsly didn't look the part I was happy for Mandarin, then they gave us Trevor fucking false advertisement Marvel, and the worst part Guy Pierce calling himself Mandarin...
 

Bold One

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I never understand this criticism.

The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.

"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.

Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.

I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?

So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.

Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.

That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.
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I get many of the complaints people have against movie but I really do not get this one at all.

Tony is outnumbered throughout the entire movie. He only gets by through sheer extended improv. Even during the final battle sequence, the Extremis goons have just as much potential to rip the armors to shreds. The only time he's at any clear advantage is during the mansion sequence, and even he gets up-ended by the Mandarin twist catching him off guard.

Using remote control armors? That's pure shit, the apologies are even weaker than this movie. There's also the fact that the movie decides that I needs to take a gigantic crap on the audience with their fake danger shit.

The character can't stop quiping even when his love interest is presumably dead, no weight, no pathos, just dross. Is almost as bad as it is insulting.
 

Bracewell

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I loved the Mandarin twist (Trevor Slattery, not Aldrich Killian's silly fire-breathing antics), and the fact that Shane Black basically put Tony Stark back in a cave, with a box of scraps.

It was a very good movie (not merely a good Iron Man movie), but taken in the context of the MCU, it had little to no impact given how little the events in it are referenced elsewhere.

This is despite having the POTUS (who I think is still in office in Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron) being suspended by cables hundreds of feet over a dockyard while wearing the Iron Patriot armor.

How was this not a bigger news item in, say, Agents of SHIELD?
 

MisterHero

Super Member
Iron Man 3 has a very good resolution to Stark's development. However, the villain and Mandarin are almost objectively bad. "Almost" refers to decent arguments otherwise. However, Mandarin/The 10 Rings were being referenced in IM1. You don't get to make Parts 2 & 3 and just wave it away as a joke. References to future movies/characters are like half the reason people go to these movies.

Then there's the references to the comics and all the armors. People loved those, so why should fake Mandarins get a pass?

The handling of the villains is the biggest thing killing MCU movies. They don't have to be epic characters that oppose the main character on a philosophical level, they just need to be competent. Ronan with an Infinity Stone was the worst letdown so far.

I also hated Unabomber Tony, but you guys can have it if you like the movie.
 
Guy Pearce's character was boring.

And, a rehash of Iron Man 2's villain. I think I would have liked it more if the Mandarin reveal was the climax of the movie.
 

NotLiquid

Member
Using remote control armors? That's pure shit

Remote controlled armor to save civilians? Not like that actually matters does it? The stakes in that scene isn't in the hero surviving but the hero managing to save people. In any other scenario the remote controlled armor is the only positive he has for them being of cheaper quality to dispatch than ever.

There's also the fact that the movie decides that I needs to take a gigantic crap on the audience with their fake danger shit.

Rebutting examples of danger and calling them "fake" without basis is not a good way to make a counter argument.

The character can't stop quiping even when his love interest is presumably dead, no weight, no pathos, just dross. Is almost as bad as it is insulting.

You clearly did not watch the same movie then. The only "quip" he says is a defeatist "whatever" after his armor falls apart on him, or did you just purposefully ignore the "she was already perfect" speech that he gave to Killian? Or does that just not count now either?
 

Cwarrior

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Iron Man 3 is a really great movie much better then I expected, it's up there with the best superhero movies, Iron man 1 was great Iron man 3 was even better.

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I never understand this criticism.

The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.

"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.

Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.

I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?

So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.

Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.

That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.

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Jarmel

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Iron Man 3 isn't perfect but it at least tries to do something unique inside the MCU instead of boring apocalypse shit like in Thor 2.
 

Bracewell

Member
The handling of the villains is the biggest thing killing MCU movies. They don't have to be epic characters that oppose the main character on a philosophical level, they just need to be competent. Ronan with an Infinity Stone was the worst letdown so far.

I've heard this complaint a lot, and I tend to agree with it, although I mostly hear it within the context of how the villains don't match up to their counterparts in the comics (I have no valid opinions within that context).

I feel the worst offenders so far have been Malekith and Ronan, although Ronan's expression during the climax of GotG kind of made up for the rest of his time in the movie. But on the plus side, we've had Loki, the Red Skull, Alexander Pierce, Trevor "The Mandarin" Slattery, and Ultron. Sometimes the better villains aren't always the ones who end up going toe-to-toe with the good guys in the finale.
 
I'd go far as to say it's a good movie. Not Winter Soldier, but not Thor 2 either (and I don't even think Thor 2 is that bad).

I pretty much discount any IM3 criticism that bitches and whines about the Mandarin reveal, as a rule of thumb.
 
I never understand this criticism.

The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.

"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.

Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.

I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?

So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.

Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.

That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.

I agree with this excellent post.
 

Skux

Member
Yes it was good. Great eyebleach after the godawful Iron Man 2. Took from the Avengers formula, made flying around in a superpowered suit fun, and was the better for it.
 

wachie

Member
See these are the kind of criticims (worst movie in MCU) that I dont get, at all.
it's not the best of the mcu (it's very high up there tho), but for what is mostly a bland universe imo this ended up being suprisingly ballsy and different for them

- he's out of the suit most of the time (resulting in a cool action scene where he only has the arm and the leg)

- second act where he just hangs out with a kid

- mandarin brings to mind those osama bin laden cia filming conspiracy theories lmao

and most importantly....eiffel 65 intro lmao
Yeah that was great too. I know GAF loves Guardians intro a lot but I think IM3 intro tops it by a mile.
 

mcrommert

Banned
I never understand this criticism.

The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.

"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.

Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.

I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?

So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.

Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.

That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.

Excellent post...best summary of why im3 is such an interesting movie and one of the best of the mcu
 

mernst23

Member
Mandarin reveal sucked.
Just removing the arc from his chest like it's no big deal is stupid.
No extremis armor was super disappointing.
Suspension of all logic that Tony has to rebuild mark 42 when he literally has 50 armors he can use instead is moronic.
Squandered foreshadowing of 10 rings across 2 movies.
Couldn't even make the extremis drones have the random powers that the 10 rings had in the comics to give a little fanservice to all the mandarin fans after giving them the shaft? Fucking lazy
Superhero pepper is laughable compared to dude who can breathe fire
 
Stage a fight on top of a vault full of power armors where you've invited terrorists to come and kill you and don't think to open that shit. I'm not OK with handwaving that kind of stupidity away with PTSD.

Dammit I don't think that ever occurred to me. I'm usually pretty on the ball.
 

Eidan

Member
The movie was good, but never really stuck with me. I've never been that big on the Iron Man films. They're the most forgettable films in the MCU.
 
I never understand this criticism.

The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.

"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.

Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.

I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?

So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.

Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.

That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.

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Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier are the 2 Marvel movies I really enjoyed.
 
Shitty ass movie with
a fake Mandarin, even though Ben Kingsly didn't look the part I was happy for Mandarin, then they gave us Trevor fucking false advertisement Marvel, and the worst part Guy Pierce calling himself Mandarin...

He wasn't the actual Mandarin either. I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding this.
 

Draconian

Member
I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.

Haha what? You mean the guy at the end who Tony snubbed at a New Year's Eve party and that we're supposed to believe formed his motivations for this entire ridiculous movie? At the end of the day, he's just another corporate suit. Your argument is basically "well, that's how it is in the comics too." Apparently the Iron Man rogues gallery is among the most pathetic in comic book lore, but that doesn't stop the fact that after the twist, all we end up getting narratively is stuff we've seen in the first two movies of this series. You can try to tell me how it's cool because Killian really is the Mandarin, or how he's awesome because he used a decoy and fooled the entire world, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the second half of the movie is a boring snoozefest. And between this and Prometheus, please stop wasting Guy Pearce, Hollywood!
 
Suspension of all logic that Tony has to rebuild mark 42 when he literally has 50 armors he can use instead is moronic.

He has no way of getting to those other suits so he's on his own, it was kinda the point of the movie.

Haha what? You mean the guy at the end who Tony snubbed at a New Year's Eve party and that we're supposed to believe formed his motivations for this entire ridiculous movie? At the end of the day, he's just another corporate suit. Your argument is basically "well, that's how it is in the comics too." Apparently the Iron Man rogues gallery is among the most pathetic in comic book lore, but that doesn't stop the fact that after the twist, all we end up getting is stuff we've seen in the first two movies of this series. You can try to tell me how it's cool because Killian really is the Mandarin, or how he's awesome because he used a decoy and fooled the entire world, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the second half of the movie is a boring snoozefest. And between this and Prometheus, please stop wasting Guy Pearce, Hollywood!

It's OK mate, we'll always have Lockout.

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mernst23

Member
He has no way of getting to those other suits so he's on his own, it was kinda the point of the movie

He literally at one point in the movie around the airplane rescue just says "Jarvis should we enact the house party protocol?" That means he just needed jarvis active to be able to dispatch a suit to him. The entire Miami mansion scene Sam fisher scene is done with Tony having access to the other suits except for mark 42 because Jarvis is online by that point.

Add to the fact that the entire movie has Tony in a start of a metroid game situation for no discernable reason.
 

ElRenoRaven

Member
All the Iron Man movies are damn good. I think they've done a good job of capturing a bit of humor along with the action, etc. The only real complaint I have about 2 and 3 is that I would like more to the final battles. Both movies final action segments seemed a bit short. Other then that they were great.
 
He literally at one point in the movie around the airplane rescue just says "Jarvis should we enact the house party protocol?" That means he just needed jarvis active to be able to dispatch a suit to him. The entire Miami mansion scene Sam fisher scene is done with Tony having access to the other suits except for mark 42 because Jarvis is online by that point.

Add to the fact that the entire movie has Tony in a start of a metroid game situation for no discernable reason.

You reversed the order of those scenes broski. He infiltrates the mansion and then he saves the people on Air Force One.
 
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