EzekelRAGE
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Looks like we thought the same Kalor lol.
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WElcome to our Town Razmos! very nice analysis you made there
feel free top put the pressure on me to "hopefully" see that i am not Mafia and you can keep focusing on other players aswell.
I have nothing to hide
feel free top put the pressure on me to "hopefully" see that i am not Mafia and you can keep focusing on other players aswell.LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
So, here's the list of people who voted for HippieHobo and the context of their vote:
HippieHobo (7)
RobotNinjaHornets - He was the first to call HippieHobo out. Didn't really have a good explanation other than a gut feeling. Behavior-wise, he hasn't been very suspicious.
Haly - He got the ball rolling against Hippie. Behavior-wise, a bit suspicious, but I think he is a townie. Unvotes Hippie to allow others to discuss another vote without reaching a majority prematurely.
Darryl - A few posts after Haly, he claims bandwagoning and does so. Says he hasn't been able to successfully bandwagon up until that point. Decidedly, very suspicious.
freakzilla149 - Same as Darryl, bandwagoning. Doesn't explain himself, just does it.
ultron87 - Raises some good points, most of them mentioned already, but at least describes which he thinks Hippie is a good idea.
Kalor - Believes role could be misused if it's on the HHA side.
nin1000 - Bandwagons on the vote and the unvote. Very suspicious behavior overall, even before the vote. Does not cast a revote to save himself. One theory is because he knew SalvaPot would save him.
Hobohodo - Bandwagoning.
Ourobolus - Bandwagoning. First to unvote HippieHobo awaiting a response from me, but he was unsure of the vote altogether.
SalvaPot - Originally voted for nin, changed his vote at the last second to "avoid a tie". Suspicious behavior overall.
I'd also like to point out that some of these people have also claimed ordinary villager roles, which is an easy roleclaim for HHA since they wouldn't have to justify their role's existence if it were contested:
freakzilla149
RobotNinjaHornets
SalvaPot
Haly
You seem like a swell guy, BUT I AINT BUYING YOUR SHIT NIN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN
HippieHobo (7)
RobotNinjaHornets - He was the first to call HippieHobo out. Didn't really have a good explanation other than a gut feeling. Behavior-wise, he hasn't been very suspicious.
Haly - He got the ball rolling against Hippie. Behavior-wise, a bit suspicious, but I think he is a townie. Unvotes Hippie to allow others to discuss another vote without reaching a majority prematurely.
Darryl - A few posts after Haly, he claims bandwagoning and does so. Says he hasn't been able to successfully bandwagon up until that point. Decidedly, very suspicious.
freakzilla149 - Same as Darryl, bandwagoning. Doesn't explain himself, just does it.
ultron87 - Raises some good points, most of them mentioned already, but at least describes which he thinks Hippie is a good idea.
Kalor - Believes role could be misused if it's on the HHA side.
nin1000 - Bandwagons on the vote and the unvote. Very suspicious behavior overall, even before the vote. Does not cast a revote to save himself. One theory is because he knew SalvaPot would save him.
Hobohodo - Bandwagoning.
Ourobolus - Bandwagoning. First to unvote HippieHobo awaiting a response from me, but he was unsure of the vote altogether.
SalvaPot - Originally voted for nin, changed his vote at the last second to "avoid a tie". Suspicious behavior overall.
I'd also like to point out that some of these people have also claimed ordinary villager roles, which is an easy roleclaim for HHA since they wouldn't have to justify their role's existence if it were contested:
freakzilla149
RobotNinjaHornets
SalvaPot
Haly
WElcome to our Town Razmos! very nice analysis you made there
I have nothing to hide
You seem like a swell guy, BUT I AINT BUYING YOUR SHIT NIN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN
10 years since mafia thread. I walk through the empty subscriptions trying to think of something else but my path always leads to thread. I stare at the screen for hours and try to summon Karkador. I look at the Star Wars thread but they went to night as well. I flame crab in the recruitment thread and try to resist Mafia mods but it is all meaningless. The end is near. I then usually read through the old Mafia thread and cry myself to sleep.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kind of sweet to see that you think that SalvaPot would save me
He hates me even more than you do. haha
Why would you say that?
EzekelRAGE
Member
My bad, focused on avy i guess.
Im assuming you meant me,
Holy shit yes! hahaha sorry for that
Kind of sweet to see that you think that SalvaPot would save me
He hates me even more than you do. haha
I don´t hate you xD, I just think you are HHA for sure. I still think you, freak and Foshy are the main suspects.
freakzilla149
Banned
This makes your whole post weak. Look at our post history. Darryl is high on my list of potential HHA, in fact he was one of the first to target me, before everything shifted over to HippieHobo.
freakzilla149
Banned
Shouldn't have defended me that one time, now we are apparently fellow accomplices lol
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yep, that one little snippet, makes the whole post look weak. /s
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Alright guys, I want to a get something solid for this day phase and hopefully evict someone with at least more knowledge than we did in the last phase.
On that note, I've already made my thoughts on the matter clear. I think it still holds weight, even if I'm not convinced of the Haly part at this moment, so I'm just going to get the ball rolling here.
VOTE: nin1000
On that note, I've already made my thoughts on the matter clear. I think it still holds weight, even if I'm not convinced of the Haly part at this moment, so I'm just going to get the ball rolling here.
VOTE: nin1000
EzekelRAGE
Member
With Darryl confirming Raz, I'm cool with Nin/Freak/Roomies getting evicted. Would like more discussion though from other players.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Also, foshy should have some confirmation from one of his neighbors. Possibly roleclaiming as well?
21GunShow - Idk what's up, he has posted on the forums today.
21GunShow - Idk what's up, he has posted on the forums today.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I fear discussion has been and will be trickling in kind of slowly for the next day or so due to the holiday
freakzilla149
Banned
IMO, days are too long. No real urgency in anything at all. I'll be back the day of the eviction, when real accusations and indignation starts to fly.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I know I'm the person that put you in the spotlight now, but I don't think that's what's going on juts yet. I'm sure someone is going to pop in and suggest another line of investigation.
Quite frankly, this idea is bullshit. The less we discuss who to evict, the more we have to rely on gut feeling and making poor decisions with little information. Simply put, it's how the HHA wins.
On that note, Im feeling as though as the game progresses, we're hemorrhaging active players. 21GunShow hasn't posted in many days. Toma was pretty active at one point but now anymore. Freak is stepping back. I'm not sure what we can even do about this.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
VOTE: freakzilla149
Nope, no backing out. Keep discussing, stifling discussion is only good for the HHA.
On a separate note, Coppanuva was one of the two people voting for Haly at the end of the last day phase. This could mean one of three things:
1) Nothing
2) Haly is HHA and wanted to get rid of whoever was voting for him
3) The HHA saw this and how suspicion's already kind of in Haly's favour, and got rid of Coppanuva to trick people
Probably 1, almost definitely not 2 since Coppanuva wasn't particularly aggressive against Haly, and maaaybe 3, though that would be a weird choice since both Launchpad and Time have gone in harder on Haly and would be better options. Unleeeeess they're both HHA.
Hmmm. Hadn't thought of that.
Nope, no backing out. Keep discussing, stifling discussion is only good for the HHA.
On a separate note, Coppanuva was one of the two people voting for Haly at the end of the last day phase. This could mean one of three things:
1) Nothing
2) Haly is HHA and wanted to get rid of whoever was voting for him
3) The HHA saw this and how suspicion's already kind of in Haly's favour, and got rid of Coppanuva to trick people
Probably 1, almost definitely not 2 since Coppanuva wasn't particularly aggressive against Haly, and maaaybe 3, though that would be a weird choice since both Launchpad and Time have gone in harder on Haly and would be better options. Unleeeeess they're both HHA.
Hmmm. Hadn't thought of that.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Also Foshy/21GunShow, ER's joined this day phase and has more posts than either of you.
Post pls.
Post pls.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
For option 3, if I were HHA, I think hitting me or Time would be too obvious a frame-up. However, Coppa was so far removed from our arguing that it doesn't feel like he was chosen on purpose.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
In fact, my suspicions would immediately move away from Haly because it was so obvious. Getting Coppa who was relatively less vocal means Haly is still in play as a suspect.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Another thought, what happened with Mazre's role? He brought it up on the first day phase then it hasn't been mentioned since.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This is what he said during the last day phase. Not sure what to make of it, to be honest.
tomakasatnav
Member
Ah, good morning fellow residents. No jokes from me today about hearing nothing again, I've learnt my lesson! Might still get a Burbs reference in here though.
Well, that seemed a bit of a screw up with the last vote. Not entirely sure which argument it was that pushed so many people to vote Hobo, especially when I thought timeaisis put good points forward (I think this was the post) about not needing to vote him out that early on either way. Given the numbers this early on in the game, I think it's a shame we got rid of him.
Now, do we need to be weary of HHA having the same role within them? I can only see it being useful towards the very end of the game now. If they use it too early, sure they can win one day's vote, but they'll surely get evicted on the next day? Something to keep in mind if we get down to close Town/HHA numbers, but not super important at this stage?
So, Hobo was evicted with 7 out of the possible .. 21 votes? Is that right? If so, it's entirely possible that the HHA just let Town vote Hobo out? Will need to look back through the voting in more detail, there were quite a few switches.
We've had 1 'killing' each night, and the 1 eviction, with all houses being destroyed. Do we think there's a third party at all? If so, why has there only been 1 kill each night? Blockers in play, a serial killer with limited opportunities?
At the moment, my suspicions are:
Haly for pushing Hobo hard, even when the power role came out, and a very quick dismissal of my thoughts on range (although, at least it was a reply where as I don't think anyone else mentioned it).
Razmos/Timeaisis/Darryl*?
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Where was this? I think I've missed it.
Not really sure of Razmos' power use (I guess you could co-ordinate voting to counter a double vote but then you don't know who you're conversing with..)
Well, that seemed a bit of a screw up with the last vote. Not entirely sure which argument it was that pushed so many people to vote Hobo, especially when I thought timeaisis put good points forward (I think this was the post) about not needing to vote him out that early on either way. Given the numbers this early on in the game, I think it's a shame we got rid of him.
Now, do we need to be weary of HHA having the same role within them? I can only see it being useful towards the very end of the game now. If they use it too early, sure they can win one day's vote, but they'll surely get evicted on the next day? Something to keep in mind if we get down to close Town/HHA numbers, but not super important at this stage?
So, Hobo was evicted with 7 out of the possible .. 21 votes? Is that right? If so, it's entirely possible that the HHA just let Town vote Hobo out? Will need to look back through the voting in more detail, there were quite a few switches.
We've had 1 'killing' each night, and the 1 eviction, with all houses being destroyed. Do we think there's a third party at all? If so, why has there only been 1 kill each night? Blockers in play, a serial killer with limited opportunities?
At the moment, my suspicions are:
Haly for pushing Hobo hard, even when the power role came out, and a very quick dismissal of my thoughts on range (although, at least it was a reply where as I don't think anyone else mentioned it).
Razmos/Timeaisis/Darryl*?
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Where was this? I think I've missed it.
Not really sure of Razmos' power use (I guess you could co-ordinate voting to counter a double vote but then you don't know who you're conversing with..)
Well I'll admit, I'm stumped. I had Cuppanova in my suspicions as well, though I didn't air them for fear of tipping him off. I get that this is an easy thing to claim after the fact but I thought I'd just share my two cents on it.
Given I guessed wrongly not once, but twice, I just don't know anymore.
Given I guessed wrongly not once, but twice, I just don't know anymore.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I think a third party would have much more ambiguous abilities. They for sure wouldn't just be able to evict people at night by default. I think Ultron's power is a good example of what a neutral ability would look like, one that could benefit either the HHA or the townies, depending on the use - but always removing more players. Also, they would need to rally up votes more effectively.
Darryl hasn't confirmed the chat happened, I think he was just saying once Darryl confirms it.
Also, yeah, I'm not sure I'm seeing the use of Razmos' power. It's seemingly harmless to either side. I mean, the players around him can confirm that they chatted with him, but that doesn't even really mean anything. Well, I guess that whoever is around Razmos could talk to him without having to use the pretense of hiding their ability, but I guess I would still be suspicious to give him my role information. I think the question is for Razmos: have Timeaisis or Darryl given him any reason to suspect them more?
I also just realized something about the victims so far. The HHA has been targeting the people whose roles haven't been confirmed yet. It's actually a pretty good strategy. The players who have roleclaimed so far are known quantities and we know their abilities or lack thereof. More importantly, nobody has claimed to be a doctor or investigative role, so if such roles existed, they would be in this pool of unconfirmed players. So far, we've gotten pretty lucky that this is not the case.
At least we're not in the Star Wars situation of taking out an Armourer and forcing another Armourer to roleclaim.
On the other hand we're still deeply in the dark. It seems our villages' roles are much more subtle.
I think Razmos' power is intended to create a hidden voting bloc, although it's not so hidden anymore.
On the other hand we're still deeply in the dark. It seems our villages' roles are much more subtle.
I think Razmos' power is intended to create a hidden voting bloc, although it's not so hidden anymore.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
My question is why would he need to if he's on either HHA or town-aligned? HHA has their own private thread and any votes town-aligned he can just bring up for public discussion.
I'm not certain, but we're not allowed to PM each other for a reason. It would get messy very quickly as players have to keep track of what they say for each private conversation.
It's a strange power, to be sure, but it is special enough to be a role even if I cannot really guess what its applications are.
It's a strange power, to be sure, but it is special enough to be a role even if I cannot really guess what its applications are.
I'm not entirely sure what my power is good for either. I'm sure if I was a more experienced Mafia player (this is my second game) I might get more use out of it, but as it is i'm not seeing much use for it, as limited as it is.
That being said, some info was revealed in the private chat, but i'm not sure if I should say what it is.
That being said, some info was revealed in the private chat, but i'm not sure if I should say what it is.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm going to have to agree with nin on this one, you may have already said too much...
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Damn, my attempt to push freak into posting more didn't work.
To be honest, given how I played last time, I'm happy to go after inactives now. We're two days in, and we know very little. Even if we just push them into posting more, it will have been effective. Therefore, going from the bottom of the list...
VOTE: 21GunShow
To be honest, given how I played last time, I'm happy to go after inactives now. We're two days in, and we know very little. Even if we just push them into posting more, it will have been effective. Therefore, going from the bottom of the list...
VOTE: 21GunShow
Right, but why would anyone reveal anything in private chat? Either they are HHA and don't want to say anything, or they have no idea if Razmos or anyone else in the know is HHA. I have no idea which is which, but I'm not sure what utility Razmos's role will actually bring :/
No. From Reading, PA. Even worse. :'(