And_Gignac
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Why can we have an argument-backed, dissident opinion on the situation without being labeled as either a troll or a fanboy?
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Why can we have an argument-backed, dissident opinion on the situation without being labeled as either a troll or a fanboy?
That wasnt a serious post either.
Infernostew
Member
Why does it matter?
HORRORSHØW
Member
srsly
Steve Youngblood
Member
Maybe I just don't care enough, but I honestly wish that -- and I mean this in a very general sense -- people would stop being so concerned with HOW stuff gets funded. I'm not saying this as a moderator or signalling how the staff here is going to deal with these types of threads. But just as a fan I find the back and forth to be often painful to read. Remarkably similar scenarios go from being on the up and up to shady, immoral dealings that we need to form a hashtag campaign to fight against based on very, very minute differences.
Honestly, my primary dream would just be that gamers on any platform could play any game and we wouldn't have the stupid console wars at all. But since that's impossible, I think it just makes much more sense to embrace that games -- particularly the AAA games we love so much -- are expensive risks. Partnerships with platform holders are going to happen. Crowdfunding is becoming par for the course. I personally grow super tired of defending this game's "co-development and co-funding" deal while decrying that game's "moneyhat" or arbitrarily deciding which games deserve crowdfunding dollars and which don't. It's a conversation that so often to me leads absolutely nowhere and more often than not reveals one's own hardware preferences than it offers any moral insight into how game funding should work.
Honestly, my primary dream would just be that gamers on any platform could play any game and we wouldn't have the stupid console wars at all. But since that's impossible, I think it just makes much more sense to embrace that games -- particularly the AAA games we love so much -- are expensive risks. Partnerships with platform holders are going to happen. Crowdfunding is becoming par for the course. I personally grow super tired of defending this game's "co-development and co-funding" deal while decrying that game's "moneyhat" or arbitrarily deciding which games deserve crowdfunding dollars and which don't. It's a conversation that so often to me leads absolutely nowhere and more often than not reveals one's own hardware preferences than it offers any moral insight into how game funding should work.
maquiladora
Member
Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.
Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials thenor maybe you'll stay silent because you're talking out of your... well, you know what
OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.
Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup
He got you. It's a meme.
Also, DemonNite works for Sony lol.
WrenchNinja
Member
No, reality
You do sound like you care a lot, otherwise you would have given up on this ridiculous argument
How nefarious that the company that bothered to give yu suzuki the time of day to make a sequel gets a console exclusive and is allowing a pc version
Down right dastardly. I bet they're twirling their evil mustache right now
SarcasticD
Member
You said it better and less harsh than what I would've said. Agree with this.
It's amazing how people still fall for it lol
I think partly that and some people not liking the approach. Mixture of both.
Because many of the arguments from the trolls/fanboys are very obviously disingenuous.
sechsterangriff
Member
Seriously though, wow...this faux outrage is amazing to me.
People have said for years that they would do whatever to get a new sequel.
Now there is some seriously suspicious cranky feelings going on.
It's either salt from the "let it go" people or because it's one less game in their platform of choice...
D
Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Do you really think that's how it went down?
It's pretty unlikely that Yu Suzuki would not have tried to find other partners for funding. It may have been a case of Sony offering them an amazing deal, or simply that no one else seemed interested in supporting the project.
Karsticles
Member
One console to rule them all has been my dream for a decade. It would save me so much money.
Again I ask: How are the backers getting taken advantage of?
They will get exactly what they paid from from the KS. The KS makes it clear what they are getting for their money. Whether Sony invest in the game or not is irreverent to whether the backers are getting what they paid for.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I could totally understand being a bit duped by the lack of transparency because that is a valid complaint. However, at the same time this game isn't solely a Sony project and I do think that that in itself is why the Kickstarter worked and why they did not put their name on it. At best, that would really look greedy as we all know Sony doesn't need the money, but the studio behind it does.
At the end of the day, the KS has helped fans reserve a copy of the game for less than retail and receive a bunch of cool swag. I get the transparency thing, but if this was all for nothing, I would 100% agree and it just wasn't.
They could have literally done all of that while being transparent with the Kickstarter. "Yo, we're going to move forward with funding Shenmue III if the fans prove that the interest is there. Vote with your wallet if you want this game to exist and you'll get shit in return." Same end result and it does everything you've described in your post.
I've been saying that for years. You nailed it.
thanks for backing me up.Usually I do not write long post like this, because ,as you can tell, English is not my native language. But the somehow the hate and fanboys and pure hypocrisy and stupidity made me really sad and mad
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I was responding to the "Shadow Funding" comment, because Tomb Raider is more in the dark as to what the fuck and how the fuck it is being funded than any game in history.
People are still confused as the involvement MSFT has with their narrative. Is it marketing, is it timed for 6 months, are they directly funding it?
They are less transparent about that, than Sony was with this.
thanks for backing me up.Usually I do not write long post like this, because ,as you can tell, English is not my native language. But the somehow the hate and fanboys and pure hypocrisy and stupidity made me really sad and mad
I appreciated the read. Well done.
It is clear the agenda most who are bitching have. It is always clear.
ForsakenLotus
Member
What I'm hoping is that a third party studio steps in to made an HD remaster, and that Sony announces it sometime this year as well as a full Shenmue 3 announcement as opposed to a Kickstarter announcement. That way it feels like a concrete game that people not already excited about Shenmue 3 can look into the originals and follow the third game.
I don't have any experience with Shenmue, but I'd like to see the game get plenty of exposure and love so it has the best chance to flourish.
I don't have any experience with Shenmue, but I'd like to see the game get plenty of exposure and love so it has the best chance to flourish.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
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Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.
Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials then
OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.
Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup
10/10
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
There are seriously people complaining? What the ever-loving fuck?
Nobody is forcing anybody to put down any money. Without Kickstarter, there would be no Shenmue 3. It's that simple.
No company in their right mind would fund a sequel to a 14 year-old Dreamcast game that 99% of gamers have probably never heard of/played.
But it's actually happening and due to the amount of support/interest shown by the smidgen of gamers that did play the original games, Sony are actually helping with its development now - which will likely expand the scope of the game a good deal more than if Suzuki and co relied solely on a Kickstarter budget.
Some people will complain about anything.
Nobody is forcing anybody to put down any money. Without Kickstarter, there would be no Shenmue 3. It's that simple.
No company in their right mind would fund a sequel to a 14 year-old Dreamcast game that 99% of gamers have probably never heard of/played.
But it's actually happening and due to the amount of support/interest shown by the smidgen of gamers that did play the original games, Sony are actually helping with its development now - which will likely expand the scope of the game a good deal more than if Suzuki and co relied solely on a Kickstarter budget.
Some people will complain about anything.
That would be reasonable
I mean, I'm not expecting giant 30 sec commercials on TV to promote the game.
Because it's wrong to make Kickstarter a preorder system!!! (although I've yet to see a single Kickstarter which wouldn't be called a preorder system). Sony is evil! They should just make the game based on people's promises and tweets! Those are worth even more than money! What kind of evil corporation believes in money over words?!? You see that roughly 40k backer tally? You know how many more backers you would get if all it took was a promise that you'd buy it when it came out? At least 10x that!
Serious note: Whoever is complaining about this better not buy the game when it releases. I'll be disgusted as fuck if my $300 went to help these people get the game.
Reading their posting history, you're probably right. Not that people haven't posted things like that on GAF and were serious about it, but probably not this time.
Agreed. We should also thank Microsoft for funding Tomb Raider. For without their contribution abd assistance offloading of devekoper risk we may never have seen it.
And_Gignac
Member
Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.
Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials then
OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.
Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup
lmao
you just got meme´d
Sparkedglory
Member
thanks for backing me up.Usually I do not write long post like this, because ,as you can tell, English is not my native language. But the somehow the hate and fanboys and pure hypocrisy and stupidity made me really sad and mad
You did great man, and hopefully the majority of us absolutely agree with you. Hopefully more people get the joke.
Can Crusher
Banned
Any real Shenmue fan knows that anybody who is pissed at this isn't a real fan.
Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.
Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials then
OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.
Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup
Egg on your face.
Never mind the fact that DemonNite actually works for Sony but hey.
Windom Earle
Member
$500 mindless sheep and exploited whale here. Feels so good to be Yu Suzuki's tool!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I hope this is sarcasm, because this was confirmed to be false by a mod who is very vetted with Square/Enix.
Posts like this are the gift that keeps on giving. Much like this Kickstarter. Based Yu!
Flying Toaster
Member
What is really funny is that because this game has Sony involvement it will get the proper advertising and marketing. Why can't people be happy about that. This is such a niche series and for the 3rd one to be a reality and sell that would be a dream come true to a lot of us that originally loved the hell out of this game when the first one came out.
I know myself for one was one of the few people that actually played the first one. Not many people had a Dreamcast then.
I want tons of gamers to be able to know about this, I want this project to be brilliant. Kickstarter funds alone would not allow for development and advertising for this to be a reality.
California should be bottling up the bitter tears of a lot of posters. It would solve the huge water crisis going on right now.
I know myself for one was one of the few people that actually played the first one. Not many people had a Dreamcast then.
I want tons of gamers to be able to know about this, I want this project to be brilliant. Kickstarter funds alone would not allow for development and advertising for this to be a reality.
California should be bottling up the bitter tears of a lot of posters. It would solve the huge water crisis going on right now.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I apologize that my number was incorrect. But none-the-less it still fell way short of getting funded to the point where it cancelled its first kickstarter in embarrassment and then the 2nd one just kinda petered out. Maybe it was the 1st kickstarter I was remembering that cancelled.
Either way it doesn't detract from my original statement that talk is most definitely cheap. This KS proved we Shenmue fans meant business all these years.
Probably the latter. Sony made this possible, we're getting the game because of them, and yes, they're funding a chunk of it. Boo fucking hoo if they needed a kickstarter to gauge interest, to fund the PC version, or just for added security to sell to their stockholders. We finally get this game, and backers get it for $29 (£19), that's insane. I'd rather pay that for it than not have a Kickstarter at all and have to pay £45 for it instead.
While I agree that many of these arguments are thinly veiled outlets for hardware preferences, I think many people are just honestly concerned about some imagined system in place is about to crumble and thus everything about video games as they know it will cease to be. Such arguments are often rooted in weird forms of morality that I don't think apply to the types of buisness dealings we are talking about. I think, honestly, many of these arguments stem from inexperience in these these areas, as well.
So is this closer to Sony saving SF5 then?
Actually, it was Adam Boyes, who has also said this within 24hrs of the kickstarter going live after it was announced/debuted on the Sony stage:
Read between the lines.
lol, omg!
Foot? Hmm, ok, never understood that expression, but lets look at the rest of your ridiculous post.
Hmm, you're a Kickstarter expert? You're the owner then? You know how Kickstarter should operate? Maybe gives us some of your credentials then
OK, I will laugh, because your post is getting insane now. Nobody will buy Shenmue? Heh, I guess 2 million+ dollars in pledges just appeared out of thin air? LOL, you were right with your "laugh all you want" comment. But it is US who are laughing at YOU.
Sony will lose its business? IDK if you saw or overslept the last 2 days, but Sony won the E3 it was the best E3 ever, by a consensus. Sony wont lose it's business. But you should stop buying their games nevertheless. Becauise Sony doesnt ned a customre lik you.
tl;dr translation of your post: hurdruoaorudrup
Wow...just...wow
Handy Fake
Member
Apologies, it's 1am and I've just dragged my eyeballs through forty pages of sodium-speckled hysteria. I'm a tad jaded.
Shenmue 3 is coming for reals.
It's backed and funded by a massive corporation, and without said cooperation it wouldn't exist.
Fan interest made it possible.
Fans can get it at a discount price and all sorts of collectibles and goodies.
But no, this is a scam and we must all act personally offended and disgusted at a big bunch of nothing.
It's the Double Fine kickstarter all over again, except a seemingly worse reaction from people who are not invested in the situation in any way shape or form.
Yup, like some of the posters posting that they are going to pull their pledge because they felt that they were scammed into emotionally-pledging by Sony yesterday.
Pretty sure they didn't pledge in the first place.
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