How many people in here do not know that the funding Kickstarters get slows down a shitton after the first couple of days? I find people blaming people who criticized Shenmue 3 for the lack of funds in the last few days far more embarrassing. While there were people who expected too much clarity, there definitely was a lack of it beforehand that should have been (and has been) addressed. And it doesn't seem like those who criticized it really caused that much of a slowdown, as there was going to be one anyway.
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Yu Suzuki: Shenmue 3 Funding and Budget Statement
- Thread starter MouldyK
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Pretty much. It's fucking annoying how these fuckers keep yapping but they most likely don't even put a cent on it.
If you do and still concerned, then pull out your funding. Then stop yapping.
MassiveNights
Banned
I wonder if Polygon et al will have the good grace to publicise Suzuki's statement given their misleading and irresponsible reporting of the Kickstarter.
igordennis
Member
That thread here on gaf where people made Shenmue 3 happenning to be a bad thing was pathetic back then and is even more pathetic now. Smh
bananafactory
Banned
It's pretty much the exact same information we had a week ago, to be honest. This is what they've been saying from the start, but for some reason they have to say it 10 different ways from 10 different people for it to click.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Just finding out there was some outrage about Sony's involvement. Coming right off the successful campaign of Bloodstained, wouldn't it be kind of implied? Given how it was announced at Sony's E3 stage of all places?
Not unless they can turn it into a clickbait headline.
I blame them.
Fuck those people.
It's crystal clear that Sony and Shibuya will poor in more money, apart from what will be collected via Kickstarter.
Did anyone really thought that Sony would recieve the money ? Or that they would show the contracts with the exacts sums of money that Ys will get ?
What's the freaking problem ?
You get Shenmue 3 for 29$, something that no one would have betted a single dime on, and yet people are so eager to talk so much nonsense.
I get that the whole campaign should have provided alot more informations along the way, but this concern trolling and console warrior bullshit is annoying.
The goal is 2m, that's what necessary to revive the franchise.
Everything else will provide a bigger and better game obviously...
Some people act like they get nothing in return...
Even if you're cautious towards it, you can at least shut up and just wait.
After all, kickstar won't be the only platform you can get the game on.
It will surely join steam and the PSN, so you can still purchase it once it's done, IF you're so damn concerned.
No need to waste your precious 29$....
I'm not against port but if there will be port better be discreet or just let the Kickstarted announce it, not third party opening their mouth just in case. Because just look how thing turned bad because journlists jumped to conclusion when they interviewed Sony PR...
Just saw this on fb and thought it was fitting
It's as it has always been known, external support is provided so the KS funds go directly into development, instead of marketing for instance
Nice.
Glad Yus come out to clarify yet again that kickstarter is funding actually making the game, and donations are crucial.
They said they were helping, that by itself doesn't mean anything the conjecture that Sony must be funding the game because "Shenmue cost $50m in 2001" is what brought on all these conspiracies to the point where we got Polygon's article.
I'm assuming Shenmue I did well enough get a sequel, but Shenmue II was fighting against it, launched on the Dreamcast in Japan as the console was on its death bed and the sequel went Xbox exclusive, not even timed.
Boyes and Gio killed this in it's tracks. Come on now. If you think this game has a chance of getting $10 million you're delusional. The thing is actually going pretty well and I can easily see this getting more than 5 million once it's over.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Kickstarters always slow down after the initial rush. And expecting a niche game like Shenmue to outperform the largest video game kickstarter to date (Bloodstained with $5.5 million) by over 50% was an unrealistic dream to begin with.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Oh no doubt. I just mean if they do decide to the same as Sony and support a port to their system, you gotta think it would only benefit the KS especially with people who want it on thee respective system.
TimeEffect
Member
So uhh...it's not going to make the $10 million, right? There's just no way.
...Can Sony just pick up the rest of the tab lol
...Can Sony just pick up the rest of the tab lol
I doubt it, but didnt they pull this exact same thing with Yooka Laylee? Surely after that they should understand how Kickstarters work with external groups?
Why?
CrunchyFrog
Member
This thing lost too much steam in the last few days to make it to 10 mil. We might see our first software 5 mil, I'd argue maybe even 6 if the final days' push is big enough, but no way in hell this sees 10 unless they do some staggering marketing for the remainder of the campaign.
Only reason Bloodstained didn't get any controversy is because it's coming out on all systems.
This on the other hand seems like it'll be exclusive to PS4 and PC.
It's fan boy drivel really.
What needs to be answered? Sony and 3rd party investors dont need to state what they are giving in to the project. Yu just said all (KS) money is going to the dev team instead of having to use that money for marketing or such that is now 100% to development. HOW IS THIS A BAD THING?
The one thing I have noticed is that some are still pissed because they assume an Xbone copy was in the works or planned but somehow Sony being involved means they "moneyhatted" the release. Jesus how childish do you have to be to think this way?
Yu went to Sony at one point ffs and no body at Sega or MS did jack all these years. smh. It was Yu who began this movement and its apparent Sony maybe threw hints they would back Yu if he decided to do something due to fan support all these years for a 3rd game.
Edit: On the other hand besides the trolling, its understandable that not alot of info was shed at first. I think the person responsible for this KS just has done a poor job and it must be totally new for say some Japanese devs using KS without the right guide or help from someone who knows how to handle these KS projects.
The Kicktraq graphs of many projects were thrown around when the funding started and everyone knew the project would slow down its funding after a couple of days. The issue is that no one expected 1) the media campaign against the Kickstarter based on pure presumption and 2) this kind of drop-off.
I made a basic comparison at the time and estimated the campaign could get $10m easily with the pace they established and also considering the drop-off but I didn't take into account Polygon and YouTube drama queens. It's just unfortunate.
Now, I don't think it's all the media's fault. The way this campaign has been handled right after Bloodstained, which really set the bar for me of how you take those things as a project, has been quite poor. The lack of clarity on the financing and the lack of a PS4 physical copy as a reward also didn't help, as well as the lack of reward options itself (why don't they offer something so the community can be in the page as well? So many people would eat this shit up!).
I still think $5m is totally reachable. $10m is a pipe dream now.
The kickstarter page says that the 5 million stretch goal is "Baisha Village Expanded Character Perspective System" though it doesn't say whether that's what he's referring to
I'm not entirely convinced funding slowed down only because of the "controversy". I mean it seems pretty normal for Kickstarter to slow down dramatically after the initial launch only to soar quickly at the end. The backers interested in getting the game would pledge no matter what anyway and a huge chunk of the complainers probably had no interest in backing it in the first place.
They could try to have more interesting stretch goals and reward to keep the pledges going on. This is what IGA did with his kickstarter and it worked to keep the pledges coming.
They could try to have more interesting stretch goals and reward to keep the pledges going on. This is what IGA did with his kickstarter and it worked to keep the pledges coming.
10 million was always a pipe dream
While Bloodstained didn't have a demo at the time, we knew what we should have it. But c'mon, what kinda game this new Shenmue it will be?
It's easy to understand that a "metroidvania" is way more cheaper than a Shenmue. We know that 3 million dollares it's a reasonable budget for Yooka-Laylee and Bloodstained. But we don't have ANY information Shenmue will be if gets 2, 5 or 10 million.
Sega should allow Shenmue 1+2 HD to be a prize, people would play something right now and would be more inclined to donate. Like donate 50 USD and you get Shenmue 1, 2 and 3. I would pay it right now.
It's easy to understand that a "metroidvania" is way more cheaper than a Shenmue. We know that 3 million dollares it's a reasonable budget for Yooka-Laylee and Bloodstained. But we don't have ANY information Shenmue will be if gets 2, 5 or 10 million.
Sega should allow Shenmue 1+2 HD to be a prize, people would play something right now and would be more inclined to donate. Like donate 50 USD and you get Shenmue 1, 2 and 3. I would pay it right now.
I never really get the controversy about who's getting the cash etc..
In all honestly i'm more concerned with the fact people give money for a game when they have zero idea what will be the scope of it. How many desperate Shenmue3 fans backed in a second thinking it would be the glorious open world sequel of their favorite game..
In all honestly i'm more concerned with the fact people give money for a game when they have zero idea what will be the scope of it. How many desperate Shenmue3 fans backed in a second thinking it would be the glorious open world sequel of their favorite game..
-sighs- I'll get the part of the quote which matters then since you skimmed the first sentence only:
Basically, you see how other characters feel and get their view on things.
IndoAssassin
Banned
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Thanks, though really sounds like a pretty basic reputation type system. Not sure why that can't be developed along with the rest of the game at any price honestly.. not 100% clear how the second part changes the game really... he really should explain that $5 mil plan a lot better. That small part from the AMA doesn't really explain it well.
Also, to those talking about it stalling.. did you ever stop to think that maybe this KS actually had a huge surge from the excitement from E3 that overfunded it out of the gate.. but in the long run there just isn't enough ACTUAL people who played the first 2 games that really want 3 funded this way.
It was a pretty niche game that didn't sell well, especially pt 2. The fact it's funded this well is amazing.
It's amazing that people here are acting like it's a disappointment.
JoeyJungle
Banned
I think it's worth noting that Bloodstained's success is in large part because Ben Judd & crew ran that kickstarter really, really well. They made it a point for fans to continue engaging with the KS even after they've donated, had updates rolling out throughout the month, and had fantastic stretch goals. I think that if the Shenmue KS was being handled better, it might've been able to reach over $9m by the end. At this rate, it's probably going to make it past the $5m mark in the last 72 hours.
I can edit my posts too
To be honest, I found the Bloodstained Kickstarter handled terribly. Very little info on the actual game aside from "it's a Metroidvania" or the people working on it was given, and instead it just rode on the hype of Igarashi being behind it. Meanwhile it also locked backer rewards behind "achievements" that were all given for a certain amount of attention being given through fan-art or followers. It deserved criticism a lot more than Shenmue 3 does.
You all know that ys net is just him right? Its not some company filled with employees that have been making games. Unless someone knows something I don't.
http://www.ysnet-inc.jp/
You all did read Milks and another one by Matt Leones interview with him (which he did not want to say what he has been doing the last six or seven years...seems it wasn't making games) No one wanted to hire him?
Shibuya just does kickstarter promotion stuff which I haven't seen any of it get funded yet. So more marketing. Great. And Sony is standing by to help with marketing an existing game. Read that as they are not taking risk on development and they get to look like heroes when they really had so few games to release this year so smoke and mirrors on E3. Win-win for them. Fantastic.
So all he confirmed was that all the money is going to him. Okay. No real surprise. By the way you all do know that money is charged for credit cards and kickstarter taking a cut? Kickstarter's 5% fee, and payment processing fees (between 3% and 5%).
Some of us who have been burned on kickstarter are learning to look deeper than fond memories and hopes and wishes. One of mine is locked up in court. Who would have thought a movie on Dungeons and Dragons history would go to hell by the people doing it. Great getting updates about court appearances.
So I looked at the who he said was doing development (a cell phone app software team that is now hiring, I think they did a vita game 5 years ago), people who have been out of the business (just looking them on google) and no existing studio that will have to be started up (they got to get the band back together). This is not obsidian, inexile or telltale studios who are already existing group. In fact I wish Atlus or Xseed or any of the smaller houses who love old stuff would have teamed with them. It would give me confidence they can complete the vision.
I want it to happen. I hope it all works out. I really do. But with the information and how this kickstarter is laid out I can't back it. That is the fault of the creator of the kickstarter not providing enough information to give me confidence on how they will make this happen with my donation, investment or whatever you want to call it.
http://www.ysnet-inc.jp/
You all did read Milks and another one by Matt Leones interview with him (which he did not want to say what he has been doing the last six or seven years...seems it wasn't making games) No one wanted to hire him?
Shibuya just does kickstarter promotion stuff which I haven't seen any of it get funded yet. So more marketing. Great. And Sony is standing by to help with marketing an existing game. Read that as they are not taking risk on development and they get to look like heroes when they really had so few games to release this year so smoke and mirrors on E3. Win-win for them. Fantastic.
So all he confirmed was that all the money is going to him. Okay. No real surprise. By the way you all do know that money is charged for credit cards and kickstarter taking a cut? Kickstarter's 5% fee, and payment processing fees (between 3% and 5%).
Some of us who have been burned on kickstarter are learning to look deeper than fond memories and hopes and wishes. One of mine is locked up in court. Who would have thought a movie on Dungeons and Dragons history would go to hell by the people doing it. Great getting updates about court appearances.
So I looked at the who he said was doing development (a cell phone app software team that is now hiring, I think they did a vita game 5 years ago), people who have been out of the business (just looking them on google) and no existing studio that will have to be started up (they got to get the band back together). This is not obsidian, inexile or telltale studios who are already existing group. In fact I wish Atlus or Xseed or any of the smaller houses who love old stuff would have teamed with them. It would give me confidence they can complete the vision.
I want it to happen. I hope it all works out. I really do. But with the information and how this kickstarter is laid out I can't back it. That is the fault of the creator of the kickstarter not providing enough information to give me confidence on how they will make this happen with my donation, investment or whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be a well-managed Kickstarter campaign at this point just from reading the KS page and updates.
I've seen worse but they're not going to hit $10 million unless they clean that up.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
People seemed weirdly upset that this game was getting outside funding besides what it would take in from the KS. Wonder if there would've been less pitchforks if it had gone fully multiplatform and still had taken funds from elsewhere. I honestly doubt it would've.
Bloodstained basically did the same thing and no one gave it and issues whatsoever.
Bloodstained basically did the same thing and no one gave it and issues whatsoever.
I never edited mine, just made the info not the main point...much like this Kickstarter does.
But don't worry, I ain't taking offence with you, just giving you all we really know about it to try to aid you. :/
Sorry we don't know more.
This thread is not about the slow down of Kickstarter but the backlash that is so important that the dev, Sony, fans and co-dev has been fighting for days now, repeating over and over the same information to clear the fog of doubt or didn't you read the OP ?
Yes, but econometrics don't really take reality and sentiment into account sometimes. A man can dream, though.
This is not gonna reach 10m.
Seems on track for 6m if they can get an increse in donations during the last week with more interesting stretch goals added but reality is that they should try to make some kind of gameplay concept/target render trailer for the game to spark donations.
Still I hope that their parners, after the KS is done, decide to make up for the difference.
Shenmue 3 deserves to have at least the same scope as a Yakuza game.
Seems on track for 6m if they can get an increse in donations during the last week with more interesting stretch goals added but reality is that they should try to make some kind of gameplay concept/target render trailer for the game to spark donations.
Still I hope that their parners, after the KS is done, decide to make up for the difference.
Shenmue 3 deserves to have at least the same scope as a Yakuza game.
Megatron
Member
Well to be fair, it's not coming to PS4 for the forseeable future either. This is a 2017-2018 title at best.
Take it up with Sony, who will be doing the Marketing.
3rdamention
Member
Yeah, that is a pretty big number, and I just cannot imagine it will reach that. I want it to reach that number so badly, I want the game to be the best it can be, but damn, 10 million is large for a Kickstarter. .
"I'm more interested in what my system will load the game from than what the game is or could be."
The idea of a physical release on PS4 has never been entertained by Ys Net, Sony or anyone else that could have any say. The Kickstarter FAQ says there will be no physical release on PS4, and IIRC Yu reiterated that it's not happening in his Reddit AMA.
There is no disc version planned for PS4. No disc version for the PS4 is planned.
Going on and on about it instead of contributing to the Kickstarter and helping reach dev goals (especially with the clarification that Sony isn't particularly supplying funds for development) would suggest you're not really that bothered in the first place.
someone mentioned that it's probably because since Sony is funding some of it. That it might create a conflict if there was PS4 physical version.
Like our money would directly go to financing a PS4 physical version instead of Sony footing the bill.