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DF: Star Wars Battlefront on PS4 shows huge promise - but needs work
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AstroNut325
Member
This is my take-away as well. Yes, it is unfinished. However, going by historical trends from EA games, it's not going to improve significantly at product launch.
And yes, the consoles are simply too weak. I hope this generation is short. I don't want to be stuck with 1.83TF in 2019. I can already see the wide use of dynamic resolutions, weaker AA, nonexistent AF, lower quality AO, and other effects as developers try to scale up their games and engines over the years.
Edit:
Agree with this too.
That's what I've been saying. It generally flatters the final game while raising awareness of issues publicly so devs can focus on fixing those things.
Beerman462
Member
I played Watchdogs at launch and it was fine. Haven't followed MKX. Also Watchdogs wasn't great on any platform and PC gamers are generally less accepting and more sensitive to performance issues.
Watchdogs didn't have real reflections in building windows. That shit drove me crazy.
nelsonroyale
Member
I find this thinking basic...For instance, I have yet to see anything on any system that impresses me as much as what has been shown in Uncharted 4. I mean there are limitations, but within that there is a lot to be done. I mean it could be straight forward to tank 2 x titans if you wanted to push things. Then are you going to be calling those systems weak? No matter how powerful the system at this stage, you can try and push the envelope. I agree that these systems are nowhere near as powerful as top tier PCs. I disagree that they aren't powerful enough to produce some incredible looking games. Also, the parts argument. Getting a low TDP is important. I find powerful gpus absolute overkill in terms of their power usage.
Obliterator
Member
There's people playing the PC Alpha right now, and it looks exactly like the E3 footage.
Now on PS4 who knows but its already a dead lock to like E3 footage on PC
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wouldn't be a DF thread about a specific console, without some PC fans dragging their PC's in here.
Business as usual I suppose.
I am looking forward to see if they do improve performance on this, this time around.
Business as usual I suppose.
I am looking forward to see if they do improve performance on this, this time around.
If anything these consoles CPUs being relatively weak means that we will see even more R&D put into finding effective low cost solutions for making things look great as oppose to simply brute forcing everything and using outdated rendering techniques because you can. The CPUs this generation are a little weak, but that will just mean even better efficiency down the line. The consoles are still more than powerful enough to the point where the real visual limitation is in asset quality and manpower, not system specs.
AstroNut325
Member
Uncharted 4 is a first party title. Expecting that level of effort in focus/optimizations from third party developers is asinine. More power will simply allow developers to achieve their visions without as much effort.
Except the chef is the one letting everyone see and taste it. You want to market it to people, then be prepared for scrutiny. May be the feedback would come in handy.
soulassssns
Banned
DF: Needs work
Dev: Duh, game not out yet. SMH
Dev: Duh, game not out yet. SMH
DICE has historically been a PC-first developer, so many of the comments haven't been unwarranted, especially when some of the context has been how little DICE optimizes for console over PC.
Another reason for its talk simply started when a poster mentioned they were thinking about switching to PC gaming because they wanted a better technical experience, which created a huge cascade of people banding together to defend the honor of console gaming and talking about how shitty PC gaming is to try and persuade this individual otherwise.
dragonfart28
Banned
EA knows that most people are just going to watch the trailers on their smartphones and not have any idea about the resolution when they play the final product.
How is DF the bad guy here? When you show your game to the public you're opening yourself up to scrutiny. An analysis gives us an idea of what the current situation is and allows people to adjust their expectations accordingly. There will obviously be improvements made between now and launch, but anyone expecting 1080/60 on consoles is probably in for some disappointment come November.
Yeah, but running as low as the 30s when you're game isn't even full HD is an issue that won't be fully rectified in the next four months.
Yeah, but running as low as the 30s when you're game isn't even full HD is an issue that won't be fully rectified in the next four months.
Usually the months from now to launch are to achieve good enough performance in not ready to show parts of the game. Good enough is what they usually show in trailers.
So I think it's not a bad thing analyze trailers performance.
Good point
Triggerhappytel
Member
Completely agree. Not sure really what the point in this analysis is. "It needs work. Luckily of course, this current build is pre-alpha and it has another five months before release."
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
RaptorGTA
Member
Did not notice that...very cool.
I thought it was a nice looking game at launch, and it ran good on my 670.
They should stop doing them because people don't understand that optimizations happen? That's preposterous and if anything, maybe this will inform both sides, as it seems some people are expecting the sort of miracle that will allow a game currently running at 900/30-50 to hit 1080/60 by November.
Pjsprojects
Member
Agreed.
I bet this game won't change much. Surly X1 has to run more than 720p with all the improvement Microsoft have done.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Wow, that's super neat.
thebesttheworst
Member
Amen to that.
Beerman462
Member
Hmm Ill have to back and play it again, but I remember shitty low res fake reflections. Like this.
Also this.
https://youtu.be/COJ3QdMXWsw
Even on missions where you went in a building the glass in server rooms had street reflections.
Here's a Kotaku article as well sooo not bullshit
http://kotaku.com/the-windows-in-watch-dogs-look-into-an-alternate-realit-1582889474
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yes the game suffered from some poor implementation of cube maps. The "bullshit" part was that it wasn't good on any platform, the game ran beautifully on PS4.Hmm Ill have to back and play it again, but I remember shitty low res fake reflections. Like this.
Also this.
https://youtu.be/COJ3QdMXWsw
Even on missions where you went in a building the glass in server rooms had street reflections.
Here's a Kotaku article as well sooo not bullshit
http://kotaku.com/the-windows-in-watch-dogs-look-into-an-alternate-realit-1582889474
I still don't think there was much of a reason for Watch_Dogs to be 900p on PS4, there are many more technically advanced games that run higher, even from Ubi (Far Cry 4). It ran well at that res but the visuals suffered a good deal for it. 900p works much better for me at 60fps because the added temporal res helps offset the loss in pixels.
Whatever'sComfortable
Banned
What big budget games are running at 1080p and 60FPS on PS4?
Or a heads up to be aware game could have issues come launch. Some whine and want glowing previews until a game drops. Like the articles personally.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Dictator93
Member
So this runs worse than BF games, but looks better? I always assumed in multiplayer the bf games on console dropped to 30 or so. Especially in levolution events.
Insane Metal
Member
About what I expected unfortunately, basically no modifications from previous BF games on the PS4 (performance wise).
Whatever'sComfortable
Banned
dragonfart28
Banned
At 900p it better be running beautifully.
Beerman462
Member
Yes beautiful 900p 30fps with dips and tearing when the engine is stressed. The PC versions problems started when you tried to hit a constant 60fps with higher settings. Also you posted a gif of reflections. So it's more of a higher standards for PC then anything, but this is a Battlefront thread so lets drop it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Mexican Origin will probably have it for $30 like every EA game.
Dictator93
Member
TBH all cubemaps always look bad when you stop to look at them. That is just what they are.
They are supposed to be something that you fleetingly look at... not concentrate on.
You can always avoid to use cubemaps generated in location A for location B, and this is the main problem in WD.
Whatever'sComfortable
Banned
Or any of the million key sites will have it for miles cheaper.
Why anyone pays full price on Origin or Steam is beyond me.
Nvm. Read that wrong.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'd just chock it up to being unfamiliar with the hardware.
Thursday War
Banned
do you know how to read?
Let me make a wild guess: worse than ps4.
But did you really consider buying the game on xbone at any time? Because given which games already use that engine and how these games perform, no-one should be surprised by xbone having the worst version.
What's so funny? That's impressive with these graphics on a large scale and 60FPS.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
30fps with dips if you stress the engine with an extremely chaotic scene.
Which is very par for the course as far as open world games go.
True, this game is so clearly doing a lot more than BF4, (aside from levolution). It looking as well as it does at a 60fps is a pretty big accomplishment, and hopefully they'll iron out more of the issues before launch. I just hate when things like this get said.
Which is really untrue.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
E3 footage was PS4. And the game was playable on PS4 there.
Dictator93
Member
GOod point.