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[Izuna]

UPDATE!!

Glasgow Free Pride did a 180 on this several days ago.

https://www.advocate.com/pride/2015/07/22/glasgow-free-pride-rescinds-drag-ban

source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/drag...y-may-offend-transgender-people-10403198.html

I've copied most of the text because I want people to read their reasoning...

Drag queens have been banned from performing at a Pride event in case they offend transgender people.

Organisers of Free Pride Glasgow, which bills itself as an 'anti-commercialist' alternative to the Scottish city's main Pride event, have announced the controversial ban.

Despite the fact that drag queens have been closely associated with Pride celebrations for most of their history, they will not be allowed to appear at the event next month in case they cause offence.

A statement from the organisers said: “After much discussion, the trans and non binary caucus decided not to have drag acts perform at the event.

“This does not mean that people of any gender can’t wear what they want to the event, we simply won’t be having any self-described drag acts perform at our Free Pride Event on August 22. "

It added: "We hope people can understand and support our decision. However we feel it important to fully explain why we came this decision.

“The decision was taken by transgender individuals who were uncomfortable with having drag performances at the event. It was felt that it would make some of those who were transgender or questioning their gender uncomfortable."

Now, I FULLY understand that transgender people are made to feel uncomfortable -- but not only is this bullshit to the may who have helped pride become what it is today, but it's also extremely hypocritical.

I feel that this will spark a debate on what is okay or not when it comes to gender identity and the rights people have, correct? Well, equality is a pretty important thing to include for all categories.

I haven't cross-dressed, nor am I trans, so I'm seeing all of this from outside of personal feelings... but it makes my blood boil that the one event advocated by drag queens is excluding them. Almost everything I have personally learned to not be homophobic, transphobic, etc. has been from a drag queen.

 

[HarryKS]

Ha, what?

 

[Stet]

"Be proud, just...not that proud."

 

[Sesuadra]

is that double standard?

or how should I call that..because..is it not a celebration/ event for freedom of expression and be yourself?


I'm like 120% confused.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Yeah, let's discriminate in our event about stopping discrimination.

Seems like a great FUCKING idea.

 

[dragonzdogma]

I, I, I cant keep up anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many spins, and twist and turns,

gosh, I just want to be a kid again, anyone remember the gummy bears song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJmWyZlW2sE

 

[anaron]

fucking stupid

 

[Savitar]

That's.................confusing.

 

[Anoregon]

This seems like the incorrect decision.

 

[BocoDragon]

I, I, I cant keep up anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many spins, and twist and turns,

gosh, I just want to be a kid again, anyone remember the gummy bears song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJmWyZlW2sE

That show is offensive to the furry community. Could you please edit that out?

 

[TheAbsolution]

What the fuck?
WHAT THE FUCK?!?

Absolutely ridiculous, they are.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Cutting off your false eyelashes to spite your face.

A truly absurdist choice. Sad.

 

[Hollycat]

I don't care what drag queens do. Crossdressing is a thing and its been around just as long as transgender people, let them have fun.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Always someone to discriminate against!

 

[Platy]

I can see lots of problems with drag queens, being a stereotypical character by definition, but this reasoning is weird

Edit: maybe they mean about people being themselves and no characters of entertainment?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

This is..odd.

I, I, I cant keep up anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many spins, and twist and turns,

gosh, I just want to be a kid again, anyone remember the gummy bears song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJmWyZlW2sE

And yet, seeing Gummy Bears in this thread instantly tops it in the odd department..lol.

 

[Omegasquash]

Is there a "no true Scotsman" joke to be made here? I'm not sure.

Anyway, it's a pity that there are differences within the community so strong that one oppresses any freedom of another.

 

[Dandy Crocodile]

Theres a interesting discussion to be had regarding drag and inherent misogyny and transmisogyny so on one hand I'm glad we seem to be approaching a point where that conversation can take place, but on the other hand I very strongly believe that banning drag and drag queens is an absolutely wrong way to go about it, especially considering their involvement and advocation for so many aspects and advances of the larger LGBT community.

 

[F0rneus]

Irony. The perfect definitition right there.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Why is it called drag anyways? Does it come from something specific?

 

[radios shipping overview]

Somebody is expressing their gender non-binarism in a way that's different from my expression! Waaah! Stop being problematic!

 

[davepoobond]

essentially they are saying dressing in drag mocks transgenders...

i guess it can be true depending on the context? seems weird anyway

 

[Turin Turambar]

"Be yourself, do what you want with your body and your lifestyle!! ... except when it offends me".

Oh, the irony.

essentially they are saying dressing in drag mocks transgenders...

i guess it can be true depending on the context?

Yeah, the argument is clear, but in the end, that's what some homophobic people say, that gay relationships are a "mockery" of normal, healthy relationships. It's a slippery slope, that's why I don't like the "I'm offended" card.
If someone isn't doing any damage to anybody in an active way, they should be able to do whatever they want.

 

[Shanlei91]

So who is left for Dragqueens to be prejudice towards?

 

[dragonzdogma]

That show is offensive to the furry community. Could you please edit that out?

I'm very sorry ,
I don't even know what the furry community is , I promise.

I had no clue the gummy bear song had some context to what the OP posted.
Again, sorry.

 

[LCGeek]

I do not get how some gay men hate trans and ts people hate cds or dq. For any of the movement to do this in spite of all that's happen to them shows we have some fucked up perceptions that guide us in life.

 

[shira]

"Be proud, just...not that proud."

 

[n00bsauce87]

When you give them an inch...

 

[Platy]

essentially they are saying dressing in drag mocks transgenders...

i guess it can be true depending on the context? seems weird anyway

Dressing in drag mocks the feminine, be you trans girl or cis lesbian

"Be yourself, do what you want with your body and your lifestyle!! ... except when it offends me".

Oh, the irony.

Drag has nothing to do with what you do with your body or lifestyle ... It is a job like being a clown or a singer

 

[Fudgepuppy]

This is like getting stuck in a palindrome of offending people. I don't know where the tolerance begins and ends.

 

[God Dayumm]

essentially they are saying dressing in drag mocks transgenders...

i guess it can be true depending on the context? seems weird anyway

It can be true depending on context. But I assure you, a pride parade is not that context

 

[DeathyBoy]

Poor Mercutio.

 

[FoneBone]

Theres a interesting discussion to be had regarding drag and inherent misogyny and transmisogyny so on one hand I'm glad we seem to be approaching a point where that conversation can take place, but on the other hand I very strongly believe that banning drag and drag queens is an absolutely wrong way to go about it, especially considering their involvement and advocation for so many aspects and advances of the larger LGBT community.

That's pretty much where I sit. I don't think drag is above criticism the way some do, but this doesn't seem like a smart approach.

 

[Wavebossa]

I do not get how some gay men hate trans and ts people hate cds or dq. For any of the movement to do this in spite of all that's happen to them shows we have some fucked up perceptions that guide us in life.

It's because you are thinking of them as all the same thing just because they are all represented in a nice little acronym.

The truth is, none of those things are exactly the same, and there will always be people who hate anything that it is different, even if they themselves are different.

Ever wonder why some minorities hate other minorities?

 

[Einchy]

Are drag queens considered part of LGBT? It had never crossed my mind until this moment.

[edit]

Just to be clear.

Obviously a gay drag queen would fall under the LGBT mantle but I mean specifically if the person is straight.

 

[Deft Beck]

This seems counterproductive and ironic.

 

[acheron_xl]

Drag is the new blackface, then? Good to know.

 

[Rodney McKay]

"Also, lets ban bisexual people. Conform to a single sexual preference and stick with it, stop being greedy!"

 

[Ivan 3414]

What makes trans folk the only authority on cross dressing? In that case, shouldn't cis-women or whatever the correct term is have a say on what is appropriate for those posing as their gender as well?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Really dumb decision tbh. I can see the logic in it but it still doesn't hold much weight.

 

[NastyBook]

This is pretty fucking disappointing, is what this is.

 

[Platy]

Also, the title of the thread is misleading

“This does not mean that people of any gender can’t wear what they want to the event, we simply won’t be having any self-described drag acts perform at our Free Pride Event on August 22. "

You can go on drag, just don't make some dubbing act

 

[Mumei]

Theres a interesting discussion to be had regarding drag and inherent misogyny and transmisogyny so on one hand I'm glad we seem to be approaching a point where that conversation can take place, but on the other hand I very strongly believe that banning drag and drag queens is an absolutely wrong way to go about it, especially considering their involvement and advocation for so many aspects and advances of the larger LGBT community.

Mm. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Xpike]

uhuh
yes
this makes perfect sense

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Are drag queens considered part of LGBT? It had never crossed my mind until this moment.

Gender bending is a common practices in the LGBT communities I'm familiar with. My school's LGBT committee puts on Drag King/Queen fashion shows every year. Additionally there's things like 'gender fucked' and 'gender queer' which include crossdressing/transvestism/mixing gender appearances. I don't personally know of any trans people who feel mocked by drag queens/kings, but I only know enough to count on one hand.

 

[mantidor]

Drag is about being politically incorrect, of course it mocks identity, that is kind of the point.

The mere existence of LGBT people used to be "politically incorrect", not anymore, so we get this heads scratching results. There have been many conflicts between the trans and the drag world and it has incremented in recent years. And it wasn't exactly the hottest thing out there for gays either (before Rupaul's Drag Race anyway). There was this rejection of femininity in gay circles, gay people were pissed off about being taken as feminine, feminine attitudes were met with some derision. It is crazy.

At the end drag will remain being what it is, and it will piss a lot of people off, and I love it because of it.


It's a minor pride anyway the main pride accepts everyone.

 

[Fennec]

It begins...

 

[BamfMeat]

Dressing in drag mocks the feminine, be you trans girl or cis lesbian

Drag has nothing to do with what you do with your body or lifestyle ... It is a job like being a clown or a singer

I call bullshit though. Every drag queen I've ever known, it's their life. I mean, for fucks sake, sometimes they go do drag shows and *don't get paid for it*. I don't believe it's just "a job" - I think it really is a lifestyle to them.

 

[Platy]

Are drag queens considered part of LGBT? It had never crossed my mind until this moment.

[edit]

Just to be clear.

Obviously a gay drag queen would fall under the LGBT mantle but I mean specifically if the person is straight.

No, it is just a hobby/job that features a great amount of lgbt people...but then again so is hairdressing =P

 

[LCGeek]

It's because you are thinking of them as all the same thing just because they are all represented in a nice little acronym.

The truth is, none of those things are exactly the same, and there will always be people who hate anything that it is different, even if they themselves are different.

Ever wonder why some minorities hate other minorities?

No I'm not and I'm a black ts myself talking about personal experience and experience around others I have known as well. That literally is an issue and befuddling how any of the labels can hate another considering how society in general hates them.None of those labels are the same once you start considering certain things.

Speak for yourself and your own motivations.