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Phil Spencer: Fewer 3rd party exclusive deals in future; 1st party is the focus
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SlipperyFishes
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Kudo means that without permission of the original publishers for titles they can't provide you with updated code to run that game on their current platform. Some will refuse (remastered versions are coming) so think of that as "not 100%" when they say it won't be the complete catalog.
RedSparrows
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I like Kalimba. I want more from PressPlay.
Well... yeah. They have two shooter series and two racing series. They don't really need more of those atm.
I really, really, really want a new PGR game, though. 
He could have been referring to Sea of Thieves or Recore with that statement btw.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
List wars. Really?
What have Sony in the pipeline for the holiday season aside from Uncharted remasters? This generation stinks like ten year old fish right now on both sides.
Regret Upon Approval
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Well... yeah. They have two shooter series and two racing series. They don't really need more of those atm.I really, really, really want a new PGR game, though.
He could have been referring to Sea of Thieves or Recore with that statement btw.
Probably.
But still, hope.
The generation is great just most games aren't exclusives anymore. When AAA games cost over 100 million to make neither company is going to be able to invest in more than 2-3 a year.
Have you tried taking a look at the entire year and not just the holiday?
Why do people forget that the holiday season isn't the only time of the year to release games? Sony has already released two new IPs, Bloodborne and The Order: 1886, in March. This month, Until Dawn launches. Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance is also on its way in October.
In contrast, MS hasn't released any exclusive retail titles (State of Decay was a remaster) since November last year.
Don't be that guy...
Sarcasm.
RedSparrows
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Screamride was retail, no? Not exactly super high quality, but it was fun enough. It has also released other digital titles, like Ori.
It could definitely do with spacing them out more, but I've been quite happy with what has come out so far this year - Smite in particular.
Also, just to be pedantic, August marks the start of MS's 'push', not November etc.
When did Sony aquire NIS? Shouldn't someone make a thread about it or something?
statham
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SlipperyFishes
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Since when do digital games like Ori not count? Also Screamride, Forza: F&F, and State of Decay totally don't count.
Sarcasm.
It was obviously sarcasm... it's what the sarcasm implies which is the issue. Unless people are making the claim that Sony's other stuff doesn't count, then the sarcasm isn't really warranted.
poor Screämride and Ori,
Screamride is also on Xbox 360, Ori on PC and later on 360. State of Decay is a remaster of a game on 360 and PC. FH2: F&F is an expansion.
I was counting games only available on each (true exclusives) and that aren't ports/remasters, which is why I didn't mention Uncharted Collection, Rare Replay or Gears Ultimate.
I said it above; exclusive retail titles. Was fairly clear.
Don't count them then, you're right. We're only talking about first-party efforts. So three new IPs on PlayStation this year. Before the holiday season.
Anyways yeah, again, holiday season isn't the only time to release games guys. Before people go on about how sparse everything is exclusives-wise, just look back at what's already been released. Might not be to your liking, but there's still been releases.
However, I agree that too much of the good stuff on both sides in the first-party arena has been pushed back to 2016. Can't wait, but at the same time can wonder what our reactions would be like had 2016's line-up been this year, too.
Shpeshal Nick
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I don't get it though. Was his post about 2015? If Xbox One's library for 2015 is sparse, what's PlayStation 4's? Desolate?
SlipperyFishes
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Can we lock this thread now mod overlords? Begun, the List and "digital games and remasters don't count" Wars have. It's no longer anything to do with the OPs post.
The Artisan
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I think sony would've pumped out those stellar exclusives regardless of how their console was doing, tbh.
You are free to bring it back on topic if you feel it's off; You are not, however, free to request that threads be locked.
As much posturing that's going on over the past couple of pages in this thread, this doesn't exactly help, either. The thread is about a focus on first party content. Like it or not, comparisons were inevitable.
statham
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roofles, everyone knows what your doing...but carry on
Asks to lock the thread because it's off-topic and going into list wars, but posts above:
Gets us off-topic from thread, then gets shown that he kinda forgot first-party exclusives have released the entire year before the holiday season, requests lock. lol.
I answered his question above, which was to let him know Sony already have had stuff in the pipeline and released before the holiday season?
Anyways, I think Phil Spencer is leading Xbox on the right track, and will love to see more first-party efforts. I really liked the original Xbox era and all of those wacky out there exclusives it had that never got a second chance. Azurik, Brute Force, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Voodoo Vince, Sudeki (which later went to PC)...
MatrixMan.EXE
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It's actually had more game releases if you want to be technical, so no, I wouldn't say it's desolate at all. That said, I'd be kind of surprised if you owned either console and found nothing to play this year. I don't really get what is happening in this thread.
StrongBlackVine
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Been trying to ignore these list wars bait...
But The Order 1886, Bloodborne, MLB The Show and Until Dawn is hardly desolate. Everybody's Gone To Rapture is promising digital only game. Tearaway Unfolded is more than remaster.
Ugh. Now let's get back on topic.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Since I've been clearly talking about 2015, not sure why you think it's appropriate to truncate it down to only Holiday 2015. There's life beyond PR, you know. Can't speak for anyone else's interests here, but Persona 5 this holiday is a pretty decent "get" in my opinion. No doubt, Microsoft has three heavy hitter exclusives this holiday, and they happen to be Halo, Gears, and Forza. This isn't exactly a new story.
Not quite sure why "nothing but Uncharted remasters" is okay to call out Sony for, but State of Decay remaster counts?
And yeah, Forza: F&F would definitely fall into the category of "nothing but Halo/Gears/Forza". I'm sure it's a cool game, but isn't that a stand-alone expansion too?
Screamride looks fun. So does Ori. But if we're counting digital games, the gap between the libraries becomes absurd. Not sure if you want to go that route. Microsoft may be holding on by the fingernails when it comes to retail releases, but Digitally they are getting crushed.
Ultimately, I'm not trying to say "XBox One has no games". That would be silly and untrue. I apologize if it came across that way. What I'm pointing out is that Phil Spencer's promise for more 1st party games will not be immediate. Any potential flood of 1st-party games is a long time coming, and in the meanwhile Xbox One's library is lagging behind compared to the PS4 and the Wii-U. Unless you bend the metric of "most games" until it's practically unrecognizable, XBox One is getting fewer games -- objectively -- than the competition. In my opinion, Xbox One is also getting fewer worthwhile games -- subjectively, but based on some common factors like Metacritic and overall fan reception -- than the competition.
Pretty much this. It's a weird perception to have that some posters above (planetsmasherx1) have displayed. Then when it's explained, actually, there are more first-party exclusives than that already released and the holiday season isn't the only time to release exclusives, and suddenly the parameters change for what counts and then everything's suddenly off-topic to them.
If you're gonna count State of Decay, Ori, Screamride and a Forza expansion, you have to count Uncharted Collection and all the other remasters, too.
Anyways, so far, I think Quantum Break next year is the right way to go for MS. It's just a little while away to really know if it'll lead to more exclusives of its type.
If we're counting digital (which it's kinda stupid not to...) then the difference doesn't become "absurd". It gets a whole lot worse admittedly when you start counting stuff that's simply exclusive, but doesn't really have anything to do with being first-party (much like Persona 5)... but that's not the conversation we were having, right?
Birgitte2004
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How can someone actually paying attention to releases say stuff like this?
PS4 continually releases more titles than Xbox One, and has all generation. This year is no different.
Example: GameFAQs lists 22 titles for US PS4 release in August, 12 for Xbox One. Every single month this year PS4 has had more.
Did you read anything I said above? I was pretty clear and clarified your issue for you (regarding first-party exclusives), but okay.
Also, if you want to get technical, then, a lot of Rare Replay's games originate on Nintendo consoles pre-2003 and are still available on there, y'know. They weren't exclusives created for the Xbox brand.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Goodness. Yes, it does get absurd. I have been exceptionally clear from the start. Why you feel it necessary to box in the discussion with weird guidelines?
Xbox One digital offerings are lagging behind the competition. The end.
Phil Spencer might be promising "1st party is the focus" but we have a long way to go before we start seeing those games. We have an even longer way to go for Xbox One to catch up with their game library (if it ever happens). The end.
But sure! I'll concede: if you only count 1st party games developed specifically by the console manufacturer on the system, then yeah it's not an "absurd" difference. What exactly are you getting at here?
I hear he's all talk. Apparently he didn't even get to the party first.
Umm... I'm getting at the topic of this thread? WTF?...
That's absurd. If anyone would know about being a first class party citizen, it would be Phil Spencer.
Neuromancer
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Yep preseason is over, flurry of uppercuts etc.
Never fails to make me smile, lol
Disaster Nebraska
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Why are you now saying that we should only be counting 1st party when you yourself said:
And Leflus' list was:
Out of that list, Ori, State of Decay, and Gigantic aren't 1st party Microsoft either. Whose rules are you following at this point?
Either Microsoft is lagging behind in the 1st-party department (they are), or Microsoft is really lagging behind with their overall game library (they are). Hence, my comment that the difference between the libraries when you count digital is "absurd" (it is).
Actually, Ori and State of Decay are both Microsoft Game Studios published games, so they are in effect 1st party.
Ori would be no more third-party than Forza Horizon or Project Gotham.
The whole topic revolves around first party output... it's not exactly an element I'm just introducing... you act like they only do Halo, Gears and Forza.. so here we are disagreeing with you. Throwing up something like Persona is just taking us off track.
Maybe he ran into some complications...
I hope he continues what the Xbox division started in the last half of the previous generation. More (preferably homegrown) internal studios would definitely not be a bad thing. In addition to partnerships like the ones they have with Undead Labs, Playground Games, Remedy, Platinum and Iron Galaxy, of course.
Ori and SoD = first party published, MS owns the IPs
Gigantic = first party published.
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Deleted member 471617
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Exclusive comparison....
PS4
-The Order: 1886
-Bloodborne
-MLB 16: The Show
-God of War III Re-mastered
-Until Dawn
-Uncharted Collection
XBOX ONE
-ScreamRide
-Ori and the Blind Forest
-State of Decay
-Gears of War Re-mastered
-Forza 6
-Halo 5
Unless Halo 5 turns out to be a classic, Bloodborne is by far away the year's best exclusive on either platform. Both GOW are just remasters and should have been delayed and become a collection of the entire series. UGH. Same with Uncharted and should have included the Vita game as well.
ScreamRide is a scream for anyone and everyone who's played it. State of Decay was and still is great but still suffers from the same bugs, glitches and graphical problems that it had on Xbox 360. Three years later and it not being solved is simply unacceptable. Forza 6 is an excellent racing game but in the end, it's a racing game. Same can be said for MLB 16.
The Order: 1886 was a good game for me but a disappointment to most and failed sales wise which sucks because I was really hoping that it would be a trilogy. Until Dawn can go either way. Ori and the Blind Forest is arguably the console's best exclusive thus far which if anything, is kind of sad simply because 20 months into the generation, few would expect or even think that. With that said, it's still an excellent plat-former.
In the end, it comes down to Bloodborne and Halo 5 and I don't know about anyone else but I will always have far more confidence and faith in From Software than 343 and it's not even close. Hopefully, 343 releases a classic but it remains to be seen.
Not going to include Rise of the Tomb Raider simply because it's a timed exclusive and will be released on PS4 a year later.
Quite honestly, it comes down to each console's exclusives and for me personally, it's Sony all the way and it's not even close thus far but with that said, im definitely looking forward to seeing more gameplay of Quantum Break and premiere gameplay of Scalebound as those are the two games that would convince me to purchase an Xbox One again.
Hopefully, this Tuesday accomplishes that for me.
PS4
-The Order: 1886
-Bloodborne
-MLB 16: The Show
-God of War III Re-mastered
-Until Dawn
-Uncharted Collection
XBOX ONE
-ScreamRide
-Ori and the Blind Forest
-State of Decay
-Gears of War Re-mastered
-Forza 6
-Halo 5
Unless Halo 5 turns out to be a classic, Bloodborne is by far away the year's best exclusive on either platform. Both GOW are just remasters and should have been delayed and become a collection of the entire series. UGH. Same with Uncharted and should have included the Vita game as well.
ScreamRide is a scream for anyone and everyone who's played it. State of Decay was and still is great but still suffers from the same bugs, glitches and graphical problems that it had on Xbox 360. Three years later and it not being solved is simply unacceptable. Forza 6 is an excellent racing game but in the end, it's a racing game. Same can be said for MLB 16.
The Order: 1886 was a good game for me but a disappointment to most and failed sales wise which sucks because I was really hoping that it would be a trilogy. Until Dawn can go either way. Ori and the Blind Forest is arguably the console's best exclusive thus far which if anything, is kind of sad simply because 20 months into the generation, few would expect or even think that. With that said, it's still an excellent plat-former.
In the end, it comes down to Bloodborne and Halo 5 and I don't know about anyone else but I will always have far more confidence and faith in From Software than 343 and it's not even close. Hopefully, 343 releases a classic but it remains to be seen.
Not going to include Rise of the Tomb Raider simply because it's a timed exclusive and will be released on PS4 a year later.
Quite honestly, it comes down to each console's exclusives and for me personally, it's Sony all the way and it's not even close thus far but with that said, im definitely looking forward to seeing more gameplay of Quantum Break and premiere gameplay of Scalebound as those are the two games that would convince me to purchase an Xbox One again.
Hopefully, this Tuesday accomplishes that for me.
Salty Hippo
Member
Why are you including GOW3 remaster, GEOW remaster, Uncharted Collection but not Rare Replay which has 30 games?
statham
Member
Halo is the biggest ip, followed by Gears. and GT7 isn't lunching this fall, which gives xbox exclusive fall racer, then you have a new TR vs a collection, plus Fable and Rare Replay. For fall releases, Microsoft has this, and early 2016 also looks good. Remember, you can play fall releases, year round.
Therein lies the problem with list wars.
There's also no Helldivers, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Tearaway Unfolded...
And then someone says one or more of these don't count. Someone else follows up by saying if _____ doesn't count, then surely _____ doesn't either.
And 'round and 'round we go!
It comes down to establishing clearly the parameters of the discussion if we are going to make these comparisons, with at least some semblance of an objective metric like, say, sales or metacritic averages. Rarely do people do that, though -- although it should be at the center of the thread, really. We are talking about first party software here.
Neuromancer
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I think this thread is reaching the end of its usefulness. It's been fun, though.
paragonpro
Banned
I think we've lost focus here, in conclusion this is only good for the Xbox brand, Sony proved this last generation when they were in second place aswel, I'm excited to see more new ip's come out of Microsoft and we have been seeing them with recore, ori, sea of thieves, state of decay, and sunset over drive. As of right now, both are pretty sparse in terms of exclusive ip, but that's only going to grow for both Playstation and Xbox and that's super exciting, now let's lock this thing down before the list wars explode out of control.
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