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Ashley Madison infidelity site's customer data stolen

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Fathom

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They are still impacted with their parents being more preoccupied with their cheating.

And it's a bit silly to say that kids don't notice that their parent is suddbely not emotionally available as they once were or are busy doing "something else".

Who says they're preoccupied? Anyone who chooses to stay in a loveless marriage for their kids obviously loves their kids more than anything, even more than whoever they're cheating with, otherwise they'd probably go through with the divorce. There's no reason why they wouldn't be able to focus on their kids when with them, so I don't see your point here. Cheating isn't something that necessarily consumes all of someone's time, especially if it's just a twice a week meet up thing and some texts every day.

Also, sometimes kids detect certain things, sometimes they don't. There's mountains of shit I found out in my 20's about my parents I didn't have the slightest inkling of when growing up, and I was an only child.
 

Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Then don't allow yourself to end up in a situation where you can't leave at the drop of s hat. It's not difficult to remain independent in a long term relationship.

I'm seeing lots of examples, but each one is more cowardly than the last.

Not a single one is good enough to justify cheating. All laced with varying amounts of cowardice of oh no think of the children, it might be hard, it might be destructive, iI might not be able to support myself...

Of course that's what you're supposed to do. I'm not arguing that it's not wrong or even not cowardly, in most cases it is. I just find really hard to be all high and mighty and righteous when I haven't walked in that persons shoes.

I find that it's easy to tell people what they should and shouldn't do when you haven't experienced the same things they have. You would be surprised how you personally react to things when put in the same situation. Personally i'm not too fond of eating crow so I choose not to judge :)

That said, signing up to Ashley Madison seems risky as hell lol
 

grumble

Member
The Gawker piece, to my understanding, outed someone who didn't want their sexuality to be public knowledge. They weren't trawling dating sites hoping to cheat on their partner.

There's a huge difference between the two.

Ashley Madison literally has thousands of identical stories. It is total hypocrisy.
 
I mean, obviously identity theft is a bad thing. But cheaters are pieces of shit who betray trust and ruin entire families. I've seen so many relationships disintegrate in an ugly, ugly fashion because some asshole couldn't keep their genitals in their pants, and to see some people in this thread downplay it is really odd. Sopranos spoilers, but this isn't that far from the emotional impact of this shit on somebody you've promised to love and care for.

I'm pretty sure there's an overlap between MoralGAF and ScornedGAF.

That's a well acted scene from Sopranos and it touches on some realities of certain situations, but in the end it's just a TV drama telling the story of one family's experience.

Cheating happens for a variety of reasons. I've known some women to cheat on their husbands because their husbands were abusive but they couldn't leave him either. They used an affair as an escape just like how some people drink alcohol or smoke weed.

Some of you are looking at like it's black and white in the 1950s. The innocent spouse is quietly being at home while the demon incarnate SO is out cheating destroying the marriage vows with a reckless abandon bringing in the entire relationship down in flames.

But the reality is marriage is more than just sex. If you read the full marriage vows there are a lot of different type of commitments made. When you cheat, you definitely violate a lot of those commitments, but you also can violate those commitments without cheating on your SO.

IMO, cheating is symptom of a broken relationship, whatever the reasons are. "Outing" just the cheaters is only telling half the story and in some cases gives a free pass to the SO. It's a very old-fashioned scarlet letter way of shaming people for complex problems.

If a man or woman cheats on their spouse, that's a private issue between them and their families. Unlike sex offenders, it's not an issue of public safety to put a cheaters personal life and family in the public domain. There is zero reason for me to know if Jillian down the street is banging the milkman. Why should her and her family (including kids possibly) be shamed? This isn't the Old Testament. Adultery isn't illegal and it doesn't harm the public at large, so it isn't my business. If a family friend came to me for help that would be different, but I don't see the value of just indiscriminately shaming people with no understanding of the whole situation. I'm really surprised that there are so many people advocating this. But then again I'm not surprised with the Facebook/Instagram narcissistic culture of Millennials who have no value for privacy and think everybody's business should be in the public domain for either Likes or shaming. Hope you enjoy more government and corporate spying.
 

Decider

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Then don't allow yourself to end up in a situation where you can't leave at the drop of s hat. It's not difficult to remain independent in a long term relationship.
I'm getting the impression that you're disregarding the social, emotional, financial and practical interdependencies that a long-term relationship establishes, let alone a marriage or a marriage with kids.
 

Cybrwzrd

Banned
I'm getting the impression that you're disregarding the social, emotional, financial and practical interdependencies that a long-term relationship establishes, let alone a marriage or a marriage with kids.

Half of the problem with this discussion is that it is full of young people that have not had life experiences that would tell them otherwise. I'll be curious what some of these people who are so against cheating now will say after 10 years in a loveless marriage where societal pressures keep them with their spouse for the sake of the kids. Considering the rate of infidelity there are definitely a few who will do it. I know I was totally against it when I was in my early 20s, but if you read my post history from another thread you may see why I am much more neutral to the subject now.
 
I'm pretty sure there's an overlap between MoralGAF and ScornedGAF.

That's a well acted scene from Sopranos and it touches on some realities of certain situations, but in the end it's just a TV drama telling the story of one family's experience.

Cheating happens for a variety of reasons. I've known some women to cheat on their husbands because their husbands were abusive but they couldn't leave him either. They used an affair as an escape just like how some people drink alcohol or smoke weed.

Some of you are looking at like it's black and white in the 1950s. The innocent spouse is quietly being at home while the demon incarnate SO is out cheating destroying the marriage vows with a reckless abandon bringing in the entire relationship down in flames.

But the reality is marriage is more than just sex. If you read the full marriage vows there are a lot of different type of commitments made. When you cheat, you definitely violate a lot of those commitments, but you also can violate those commitments without cheating on your SO.

IMO, cheating is symptom of a broken relationship, whatever the reasons are. "Outing" just the cheaters is only telling half the story and in some cases gives a free pass to the SO. It's a very old-fashioned scarlet letter way of shaming people for complex problems.

If a man or woman cheats on their spouse, that's a private issue between them and their families. Unlike sex offenders, it's not an issue of public safety to put a cheaters personal life and family in the public domain. There is zero reason for me to know if Jillian down the street is banging the milkman. Why should her and her family (including kids possibly) be shamed? This isn't the Old Testament. Adultery isn't illegal and it doesn't harm the public at large, so it isn't my business. If a family friend came to me for help that would be different, but I don't see the value of just indiscriminately shaming people with no understanding of the whole situation. I'm really surprised that there are so many people advocating this. But then again I'm not surprised with the Facebook/Instagram narcissistic culture of Millennials who have no value for privacy and think everybody's business should be in the public domain for either Likes or shaming. Hope you enjoy more government and corporate spying.

Stunning post, needs to read clearly by the "lol whatever" insecure GAF to give them a chance of understanding adult relationships.
 

YoungHav

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Cheating threads should have an age requirement. Those supportive of the hack and public outing are worse than the cheaters involved.
 

daniels

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Stunning post, needs to read clearly by the "lol whatever" insecure GAF to give them a chance of understanding adult relationships.

Oh please come on I guess the lol "insecure" and lol "why you critical of cheating? aww someone cheated on you!" messages in this thread are all really adult..
 
Stunning post, needs to read clearly by the "lol whatever" insecure GAF to give them a chance of understanding adult relationships.

"Insecure GAF" who doesn't understand "adult relationships". What is your fucking problem that you cannot articulate yourself in a non-derogatory way?

Cheating threads should have an age requirement. Those supportive of the hack and public outing are worse than the cheaters involved.

Hahaha and again. Ad hominem attacks and insults. Like I wrote before - everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you guys must be too young / not married / a virgin... smh.
 
hmmmm, In my experience they can tell when something is not right between their parents. They may not know what it is but they can tell something is off.

I don't condone adultery or doxing but i'm finding it difficult to drum up sympathy for those who use the site for extramarital sex. As kids we went through years of tension, lies and broken promises because dad was with another woman before mum threw him out. All the time we knew something was off, just not what it was. I'd rather he had just been up front about it and divorced rather than dragging everyone through years of shit that just hung like a miasma no-one could source. As it stands because of his actions i haven't spoken to him in over a decade.

Adultery is damaging and just shitty behaviour.

Yep. Kids are very sensitive and observant. I mean, they have little to do but just soak things up all day. And most of the day they're watching mom and dad interact with each other. If patterns change, they will be very aware of that.
 

Fathom

Banned
Oh please come on I guess the lol "insecure" and lol "why you critical of cheating? aww someone cheated on you!" messages in this thread are all really adult..

They're the exceptions. Show me a single line of posts railing against infidelity that didn't just end in "No! It's wrong! That's that!".

The reasonable people are only claiming cheating is sometimes understandable and potentially justified. It's a pretty small percentage. We're just saying that context and insight are valuable when examining these relationships because of how complicated and different they all are. Anyone who rejects that line of thought comes off as young or insecure for good reason, frankly, so I don't really blame some posters for getting annoyed that the other side refuses to take some perspective. Something I keep seeing is people saying "Kids always know". That's not true. Maybe in your case you did, or people you know did, but that's not a universal truth. People are too determined to turn something inherently complicated into something simple, just to fit their moral view of the world.
 

MattyG

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And this justfifies cheating?

No, it doesn't.
As I said earlier, I don't think they're saying it justifies cheating, but rather that it shouldn't be up to us or whoever hacked the website to decide when somone gets ruined. I don't think this sort of "moral vigilante justice" should ever be condoned, regardless of what the victim has done.

The best way I can put it is like this; Say one day, you go into a bank. You hand them a slip of paper with your name, address, and a dirty little secret on it, and they stash it in their vault. That night, I break into the vault and find the paper. What I see on it shocks me; this is immoral! So I post on Neogaf and Reddit what I found sans the name and address. A lot of people agree that the actions are morally wrong, so I decide to post the rest your info. You marriage falls apart (though it may have eventually anyway), your relationship with your kids is ruined, and you possibly start having financial trouble because of the fallout.

Now tell me, was I right in releasing that information? Was I right to put your illegally obtained information out there because I found it morally reprehensible? I don't think anyone in here can honestly say that they think the ruination of a private citizen functioning within the confines of the law should ever be okay, no matter how wrong you think their actions are.
 

mkenyon

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Just a couple things.

1) There's a lot of people on the site who are single and interested in a friends with benefits or no strings attached type of relationship. Married people fit the bill.

2) There's people on there who are looking for a mistress/paramour type relationship, where their well being is taken care of by the married person.

3) There's swingers and people who are in open relationships on the site.

4) Then there's people (like me) who have created accounts just to see what's out there, but haven't followed through on anything.

Just a gut instinct, I'd say the above four points probably make up at least 80% of the website, if not more.

That's a rational appeal to the fairly repugnant people in this thread that condone an illegal and violating action as retribution for something that is neither illegal, nor any of their fucking business.

Beyond that, no one is discussing whether or not cheating is a good thing. It's not, at all. But it's certainly not a black and white issue. Not everyone can end things with a clean break before moving on. It's also about a lot more than just sex.

Passion, and feeling desired, is absolutely necessary to being a complete and happy person. People work on this, and try to make things better, but a relationship is a two way street.

Long term relationships (and I'm talking 10+ years here) are maintained not through inexplicable desire and passion, but through hard fucking work. You keep that relationship alive by not being selfish. By making sure your partner feels desired and loved. By putting someone else's needs above your own. If you fail to do this, that's as much of a failure as the SO that ends up finding that outside of their marriage.

I'm not condoning cheating at that point of failure, but it's an incredibly human response to that situation, given that it's often the result. You don't need to accept the person for what they've done, but you need to understand that they aren't always demons out to just hurt the ones they love by bangin some strange.
 

gcubed

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i would assume that the only data that is authentic would be the information tied to credit cards for fools who actually paid for the site.

I would also assume 99% of non paying accounts use fake names.
 

diablos991

Can’t stump the diablos
Just a couple things.

1) There's a lot of people on the site who are single and interested in a friends with benefits or no strings attached type of relationship. Married people fit the bill.

2) There's people on there who are looking for a mistress/paramour type relationship, where their well being is taken care of by the married person.

3) There's swingers and people who are in open relationships on the site.

4) Then there's people (like me) who have created accounts just to see what's out there, but haven't followed through on anything.

Just a gut instinct, I'd say the above four points probably make up at least 80% of the website, if not more.

That's a rational appeal to the fairly repugnant people in this thread that condone an illegal and violating action as retribution for something that is neither illegal, nor any of their fucking business.

Beyond that, no one is discussing whether or not cheating is a good thing. It's not, at all. But it's certainly not a black and white issue. Not everyone can end things with a clean break before moving on. It's also about a lot more than just sex.

Passion, and feeling desired, is absolutely necessary to being a complete and happy person. People work on this, and try to make things better, but a relationship is a two way street.

Long term relationships (and I'm talking 10+ years here) are maintained not through inexplicable desire and passion, but through hard fucking work. You keep that relationship alive by not being selfish. By making sure your partner feels desired and loved. By putting someone else's needs above your own. If you fail to do this, that's as much of a failure as the SO that ends up finding that outside of their marriage.

I'm not condoning cheating at that point of failure, but it's an incredibly human response to that situation, given that it's often the result. You don't need to accept the person for what they've done, but you need to understand that they aren't always demons out to just hurt the ones they love by bangin some strange.

Lining up your story I see. Bold move. Let's see how it pays off.
 

Tadaima

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Divorce lawyers everywhere:

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TVexperto

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So I just checked my old mail that I havent used in almost 10 years..

"This email was in the Ashley Madison data leak and was considered to be valid by them :("

I only registered back them (I was single and still am) to check it out but I remember having to pay for everything so I never returned, cant believe they never deleted my account.
 

Iph

Banned
So I just checked my old mail that I havent used in almost 10 years..

"This email was in the Ashley Madison data leak and was considered to be valid by them :("

I only registered back them (I was single and still am) to check it out but I remember having to pay for everything so I never returned, cant believe they never deleted my account.

Well... you signed up for it and paid for it, despite it being clearly labelled. You put yourself on the list all on your own, just didn't hang yourself? Welcome to the social experiment. You technically passed. <3
 

TVexperto

Member
Well... you signed up for it and paid for it, despite it being clearly labelled. You put yourself on the list all on your own, just didn't hang yourself? Welcome to the social experiment. You technically passed. <3

I never paid for anything on that site and I never would, I just registered.
 

Cybrwzrd

Banned
Can someone please explain to me why this breach of privacy is A OK, and any other breach of privacy is the worst thing ever?

Some of the comments in this thread just make me smh. All breeches of privacy are terrible.
 

hirokazu

Member
Can someone please explain to me why this breach of privacy is A OK, and any other breach of privacy is the worst thing ever?

Some of the comments in this thread just make me smh. All breeches of privacy are terrible.
I guess because the premise of the site is morally questionable to begin with. C'mon, it's not hard to see why some people do not like the site.
 

Sapiens

Member
I guess because the premise of the site is morally questionable to begin with. C'mon, it's not hard to see why some people do not like the site.

You don't know the history of every registrant though. People who pick and choose what breaches of privacy are okay and which are bad kind of rub me the wrong way.
 
You don't know the history of every registrant though. People who pick and choose what breaches of privacy are okay and which are bad kind of rub me the wrong way.

But this is OK because everyone on there is morally wrong though!

I totally get you. If some extremist group obtained and released information from, say, an ethnic only dating site, people would be up in arms. But because this deals with people that a number of folks take issue with from a moral perspective, it's viewed as reasonable because people deserve to know. It's been interesting to watch.
 
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