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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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My mom was in the room while it played and she watched with me LOL

Oh, god, that's great!

The water scene could be made less awkward by Quiet in her prologue uniform, or alternatively, they could have gone full sexy beach Mother Base party and given Venom some scantily clad swim wear. Jiggle physics for all. (I guess Venom could borrow Kaz's swim suit from PW, I'm sure he's still got it somewhere.)

...in retrospect, PW was a very, er, unique game. Huh.
 

Shauni

Member
I was able to build my FOB and transfer my data around 30-40 mins ago. There's no sign of how to return to camp omega and do the "thing that only games can do"

Well, really, wouldn't just transferring people from one game to another be something only a game can do? I know, underwhelming as shit, but technically?
 
Well, really, wouldn't just transferring people from one game to another be something only a game can do? I know, underwhelming as shit, but technically?

"The option to revisit Camp Omega (including something ‘cool’ Kojima talked about earlier, something that has never been done before)"

This was said separately from the staff members transferring.
 

Anung

Un Rama
How the hell do I get into the Battle Gear hanger? They say I should go there and It's highlighted on my map but there's nothing there.
 

LordCanti

Member
I still wonder why Big Boss in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake trying to be a bad guy like what The Phantom did in Metal Gear? :(

I mean, define being the "bad guy". He was fighting against the AI control that Zero was trying to implement by creating his own nation free from those restraints. MGS4's nightmare control future makes everything that came before seem less "evil" and more ambiguous.

If there's some flavor text in MG2 that I don't remember where it mentions that Big Boss personally did some heinous shit then I digress.
 

Deadly

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I mean, define being the "bad guy". He was fighting against the AI control that Zero was trying to implement by creating his own nation free from those restraints. MGS4's nightmare control future makes everything that came before seem less "evil" and more ambiguous.

If there's some flavor text in MG2 that I don't remember where it mentions that Big Boss personally did some heinous shit then I digress.
Well Kaz calls him a 'monster'.

But we shouldn't be questioning the events of MG1/2 so much anyways. Kojima said himself they'd be full of inconsistencies.
 

Shauni

Member
I mean, define being the "bad guy". He was fighting against the AI control that Zero was trying to implement by creating his own nation free from those restraints. MGS4's nightmare control future makes everything that came before seem less "evil" and more ambiguous.

If there's some flavor text in MG2 that I don't remember where it mentions that Big Boss personally did some heinous shit then I digress.

If I recall, he loved him some fucking child soliders. Like, damn, just loved the whole thing to death. At least I think it was MG2, might as been 1.
 
I mean, define being the "bad guy". He was fighting against the AI control that Zero was trying to implement by creating his own nation free from those restraints. MGS4's nightmare control future makes everything that came before seem less "evil" and more ambiguous.

If there's some flavor text in MG2 that I don't remember where it mentions that Big Boss personally did some heinous shit then I digress.

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From MG2 so its the real Big Boss.
 

Gun Animal

Member
If I recall, he loved him some fucking child soliders. Like, damn, just loved the whole thing to death. At least I think it was MG2, might as been 1.
He was already using child soldiers as early as Peace Walker. In a way, Chico could be seen as the first instance of Big Boss taking things too far.

Not to mention, having child soldiers comes with the territory when every citizen of your nation can only be a soldier and nothing else. In the case of Zanzibarland, recruiting war orphans as child soldiers is no different from granting them citizenship. It's a byproduct of the "Outer Heaven" concept, a nation by soldiers, for soldiers.
 

LordCanti

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From MG2 so its the real Big Boss.

I looked up the full quote:

"You saw those children, didn't you? Every one is a victim of a war
somewhere of the world. And they'll make fine soldiers in the next war. Start a war, for its flames, create victims... Then save them, train them... And feed them back onto the battlefield. It's a perfectly logical system. In this world of ours, conflict never ends. And neither does our purpose... our raison d'etre."

It's basically a speech about how they're all soldiers and that they can't go back to a normal life. It's the same thought process that led him to create MSF. As far as the child soldiers go he seems to be talking about how war leads to more war through those impacted not being able to escape the nightmare of it. It's a very cynical "this is how it is" ideology, but considering that he's fighting against Zero's absolute control it's a grey area.
 

Crypt

Member
So all I want to know is why quiet dresses like that. Should I be ashamed of my worlds and actions? Someone tell me.

Photosynthetic.

It still doesn't make up for the ridiculousness. If that were really the only reason, we wouldn't have the ridiculously cringeworthy amount of fan service that they have in this game. There's almost no scene she's in where they don't needlessly zoom in her boobs or do something to sexualize her. It's embarrassing.
 

Anung

Un Rama
There's a door with a button you can press to get in there. It's downstairs I think? There may be a sign that has a picture of Huey on it. I can't remember the exact location.

Thanks! I'll check it out tomorrow. I was running around that area rubbing against doors for ages trying to get in so hopefully that's what I missed.
 
Thanks! I'll check it out tomorrow. I was running around that area rubbing against doors for ages trying to get in so hopefully that's what I missed.

heh, I got in image of big boss rubbing a door trying to get it open while miller and ocelot watch and laugh at him.
 
Photosynthetic.

It still doesn't make up for the ridiculousness. If that were really the only reason, we wouldn't have the ridiculously cringeworthy amount of fan service that they have in this game. There's almost no scene she's in where they don't needlessly zoom in her boobs or do something to sexualize her. It's embarrassing.

She isn't almost naked because of breathing threw her skin, she breaths threw her skin so she can be almost naked.
 

Ostinatto

Member
Why Quiet doesnt follow me while doing missions? she stay in some random point the whole time doing nothing. i have no option in the L1 menu. did i miss something? is she mad with me? T.T
 

Mask

Member
When do you get the Missile needed for the 8th and 9th missions?

Also, heads up; if you got an Nvidia card and got the Batman code with it, I managed to get a MGSV code from Amazon today, so you might have luck if you're upset about Batman and want MGSV instead.
 

LordCanti

Member
Why Quiet doesnt follow me while doing missions? she stay in some random point the whole time doing nothing. i have no option in the L1 menu. did i miss something? is she mad with me? T.T

Do a Buddy Request for recon or attack from the menu.

When do you get the Missile needed for the 8th and 9th missions?

Also, heads up; if you got an Nvidia card and got the Batman code with it, I managed to get a MGSV code from Amazon today, so you might have luck if you're upset about Batman and want MGSV instead.

You can get an RPG fairly early which works fine. There are other options (c4, mortar) as well. It doesn't mean "Missile" literally unless I missed something.
 

Darksol

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Any way to disable FOB without cutting my internet connection? Haven't started the game yet -- can I simply choose not to build it?
 

Mask

Member
Do a Buddy Request for recon or attack from the menu.



You can get an RPG fairly early which works fine. There are other options (c4, mortar) as well. It doesn't mean "Missile" literally unless I missed something.

Ah, right! I'm just being stupid again, thanks!
 

maxiell

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I've read something like twenty pages of this thread without finding detailed spoilers anywhere. The OP is sorely in need of an update.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
I've read something like twenty pages of this thread without finding detailed spoilers anywhere. The OP is sorely in need of an update.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

1964 - MGS3

1970 - Zero disbands FOX. With the Philosophers Legacy, he founds a organization called the Patriots with Paramedic, Sigint, Eva, Big Boss, and Ocelot.

1972 - Solid and Liquid are born. Their names are David and Eli. When Big Boss finds out about the cloning, he leaves Zero along with Eva and Ocelot.

1974 - Peace Walker. Zero's agent Paz is rooted out. Zero's development of AIs that can carry on his will are being worked on by Strangelove.

1975 - Ground Zeroes. Skullface destroys MSF in his war against Zero. He attacks Big Boss because he knows BB is important to Zero. Big Boss and Venom are knocked into a coma. Miller is in bad shape but survives. Zero and Eva hide BB and Venom in a British hospital in Cyprus.

1976 - Zero contacts Ocelot and tells him about his body double idea: he doesn't hate Big Boss and in fact wants him to live to carry on the Boss' legacy. The body double (Venom) will be meant to protect the real BB, draw fire away ,and spread the legend. Zero then contacts Miller and tells him to protect Big Boss when he wakes up. Miller doesn't know about the body double and even though he was at odds with Zero at the end of Peace Walker, he's in no position to bargain so follows Zero's orders. Finally, Skullface infects Zero with a parasite. More on this in a bit.

1977 - Zero visits Big Boss during his coma and leaves him a tape explaining the body double plan. Zero himself then becomes comatose.

1984 - Phantom Pain. Here we go:

- The hospital staff do facial surgery on Venom to make him look like Big Boss.
- Venom escapes the hospital with Ishmael, who is Big Boss. The hospital is attacked by Cipher which is now currently commanded by Skullface.
- After a car crash, Big Boss escapes with the help of Ocelot. Then Ocelot hypnotizes himself to make himself believe Venom is the true Big Boss and helps Venom escape.
- Venom builds a mercenary organization and builds up the legend of Big Boss. Along the way he meets Eli (David never left the US), Quiet (who wanted to assasinate BB under orders of Skullface but has a change of heart and helps Venom), and most importantly: Code Talker.
- Code Talker did tons of experiments on this parasite which can be transmitted through language. He knows what Skullface is up to: a plan to spread his virus all over the world.
- Huey develops R&D for Venom but is banished after the staff find out he killed Strangelove. Strangelove had largely completed work on the Patriot AI (more on this in a bit)
- Venom and Huey kill Skullface. Mantis is involved as well.
- In a final mission, Venom learns the truth about the body double from a tape.
- Cipher as an organization still exists but is now run by the Patriot AIs.
- AIs summarized: Strangelove invents them; Sigint oversees them; Emma finishes the work by the time MGS2 rolls around.
- Miller, Big Boss, and Ocelot go back to the US. Big Boss becomes commander of FOXHOUND, which he initially established in the first place with Roy Campbell (this was from Portable Ops) Ocelot remains faithful to BB while Miller becomes sympathetic towards Venom. Miller and Ocelot decide that the 'time of the Sons' will soon arrive and that they will each pick one to support.

1991 - Eli was raised in England, watched from afar by Ocelot, and David was raised by multiple people but especially Miller. Both Solid and Liquid fight during the Gulf War.

1995 - Venom threatens the world with Outer Heaven. Big Boss sends Solid Snake to kill him.

1999 - Big Boss threatens the world with Zanzibar. The Patriots send Solid Snake to kill him via FOXHOUND. Miller helps Solid.

2005 - Miller is killed by Ocelot.

And the rest is history. I left out stuff but there is the summary. If you're wondering where Solidus is, he is not mentioned.

Boom.
 

Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
I forget, does the new timeline specifically name Ocelot as Miller's killer pre-MGS? Can't remember that one off-hand.
 

Ralemont

not me
1. who is the second "eli" from the trailers?
2. I assume Ocelot finds out about the body double as well? Otherwise he'd still hypo'd to be loyal to Venom
 
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