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[jgkspsx]

Poor Gamecube. Well, hey, this way Zelda will be a Revolution launch title! It's a strategic move! Yeah. Sure.

Poor Nintendo.

 

[Tarazet]

During most game devellopement time shit happen. Nintendo doesn't have any big guns for the GC this year (yeah yeah Fire Emblem whatever).
Nintendo can't really delay Twilight Princess, they are going to be crushed even more by Sony and Microsoft in the holiday season. Chances are that they had an important regression in their versions lately or they found a critical bug that is going to take alot of time to correct. It's mainly the only reason a game is delayed from holiday season (the last thing you want to do as a publisher).
I offered another possibility about the design or polishing but it's very unlikely. The game look polished already and a game isn't delayed from holiday season for "polishing" anyway.

Wind Waker was delayed from holiday season for "polishing." And look how that turned out - a short and ugly game that a lot of fans think can't hold a candle to the N64 games.

 

[olimario]

Who said it's moving to Revolution?
Who said it's because of problems?
Why can't we beleive Nintendo for once and say it was delayed it add incredible new elements?

 

[boutrosinit]

"Incredible New Features"

Possible translation:

All Bugs fixed, no dungeons taken out this time. Maybe stick teh cut Wind Waker Dungeons in there too.

FECK me. Nintendo has been rather poo this generation. Metroids, Jungle Beats and DS games forgiving.

 

[Tritroid]

LOL your avatar must be changed. It teh lies.

Oh God you're right! :lol Noooo!

 

[Tarazet]

Why can't we beleive Nintendo for once and say it was delayed it add incredible new elements?

Haven't most Nfans believed them every time, and been disappointed?

 

[radioheadrule83]

Wind Waker was delayed from holiday season for "polishing." And look how that turned out - a short and ugly game that a lot of fans think can't hold a candle to the N64 games.

You're right to not infer all Zelda fans there... it's flawed for sure, especially lacking in dungeons and heart sapping difficulty, but for me - it's aesthetically the closest thing to A Link to the Past I've played in 3d.

I just wish they'd reused the Wind Waker engine and spent all this time making and enhancing great gameplay. Now we've waited all this time, and whole new systems are starting to come out, all asking for a piece of our money.

The game is gonna be great but underachieve now imo. Story of Nintendo's generation sadly.

Who said it's moving to Revolution?
Who said it's because of problems?
Why can't we beleive Nintendo for once and say it was delayed it add incredible new elements?

Right on. Whole heartfully agreed.

And it's because it's Nintendo. I'm not seeing any surprising responses from some posters here. Like they gave a damn in the first place.

 

[olimario]

Haven't most Nfans believed them every time, and been disappointed?

I believed the Pikmin 2 delays were to add incredible new elements and I was still suprised by how amazing the final product was.

 

[Tritroid]

You're right to not infer all Zelda fans there... it's flawed for sure, especially lacking in dungeons and heart sapping difficulty, but for me - it's aesthetically the closest thing to A Link to the Past I've played in 3d.

I just wish they'd reused the Wind Waker engine and spent all this time making and enhancing great gameplay. Now we've waited all this time, and whole new systems are starting to come out, all asking for a piece of our money.

The game is gonna be great but underachieve now imo. Story of Nintendo's generation.

Twilight Princess IS using the Wind Waker engine.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Twilight Princess IS using the Wind Waker engine.

I mean with little to no modification. They could have reused tonnes of that games assets to expediate game development, and been left with plenty of time to get the good stuff done.

 

[Madame M]

Maybe they are adding the element of color.

 

[Tarazet]

I believed the Pikmin 2 delays were to add incredible new elements and I was still suprised by how amazing the final product was.

It's a high-quality game, to be sure, but what "incredible new elements"? White and purple pikmin? That's a Pokemon kind of upgrade, not an incredible new element.

 

[olimario]

It's a high-quality game, to be sure, but what "incredible new elements"? White and purple pikmin? That's a Pokemon kind of upgrade, not an incredible new element.

I thought the vast amount of high quality stuff was worth the delay. You're right, nothing mindblowing there, but easily the most polished title I've played.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Maybe they are adding the element of color.

HAHHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHAAHHA!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I think it wouldn't matter for me if it gets moved to the Cube or Revolution. But I think it's only likely that it would be moved to Revolution if it's going to be launched anytime soon. Like... Nintendo isn't going to release the probably most awesome Zelda game yet on their dead system when the Zelda release date is only a month or few months away of the Revolution launch. So... I guess this means that Zelda is going to be released early in 2006 or that Revolution will launch in 2007.

 

[xabre]

By 'incredible new elements' they mean 'happy mapping' that wouldn't have otherwise made the November version.

 

[Mashing]

I shouldn't be surpised when people complain about a delay even though the same people on the very forum were lambasting The Wind Waker because it didn't have enough time in the oven. A few more months of development time can only help, not hinder.

 

[gstaff]

Majora's Mask launched the same day as PS2. Well after the N64 was already proclaimed 'dead'.

How is this any different?

It isn't different, and that's a problem. I bought Majora's Mask when the PS2 came out and at that point the game just felt too dated, so I never got around to it.

 

[Ponn]

Nintendo's getting pretty good at this getting people excited for games then pushing them back, and then back again. My crystal ball says......Christmas 2006 you will be buying and playing this on your Revolution with BC.

 

[SantaC]

Nintendo's getting pretty good at this getting people excited for games then pushing them back, and then back again. My crystal ball says......Christmas 2006 you will be buying and playing this on your Revolution with BC.

yeah too bad Squeenix is the same...I wanted FFXII and Zelda this year, none came true. Fuck.

 

[dark10x]

It isn't different, and that's a problem. I bought Majora's Mask when the PS2 came out and at that point the game just felt too dated, so I never got around to it.

Wasn't Majora's Mask largely ignored as well (at least in comparison to previous Zelda titles)?

yeah too bad Squeenix is the same...I wanted FFXII and Zelda this year, none came true. Fuck.

Well, most of us never expected FFXII. The game has had one strange development cycle and didn't seem to be progressing very well. Zelda, however, seemed like a lock for 2005. It's actually pretty suprising to me...

 

[Ponn]

yeah too bad Squeenix is the same...I wanted FFXII and Zelda this year, none came true. Fuck.

I refuse to give up hope on KH II though.

 

[Tarazet]

I shouldn't be surpised when people complain about a delay even though the same people on the very forum were lambasting The Wind Waker because it didn't have enough time in the oven. A few more months of development time can only help, not hinder.

As deep as Nintendo's resources supposedly are, they should be able to release games on time and as promised. Instead there's a pattern of delays and disappointment. If this game had released in November I might have caved in and bought it on release day, because it would mean for once they had their shit together, but it's just lookng like the same old same old at this point. I have no reason to believe this game will make me any happier than WW did.

Hearing Miyamoto say that he still doesn't have a solid idea for Mario 128 isn't confidence inspiring, either. That's inefficient planning and any other developer would be howled at.

 

[..pakbeka..]

Wasn't Majora's Mask largely ignored as well (at least in comparison to previous Zelda titles)?

almost 3 millions copies sold, I's say it wasn't ignored at all

 

[Gattsu25]

The GC is worthless.

No

Is Nintendo even aware that Sony and Microsoft make games too?

They're as aware as their gamers are aware of the quality of the competition. Completely oblivious.

Never seen a company so oblivious to the competition.

Aye

 

[radioheadrule83]

almost 3 millions copies sold, I's say it wasn't ignored at all

Ocarina is the exception to the rule.

Wind Waker, Majora's Mask and A Link to the Past all sold in this region IIRC.

 

[Link316]

Either the game is well behind schedule and clearly isn't done, or they weren't happy and decided to add more content/gameplay as needed.

I suspect this is just another case of them spacing out their releases cause there's nothing for 2006 and they needed something to hold their fanbase over until the Revolution

 

[bigNman]

Maybe they are adding stuff that takes advantage of the Revolutions controller.

 

[wobedraggled]

Time to change that avatar.

 

[FitzOfRage]

It's different because the N64 wasn't nearly as dead as the GC will be by then. The N64 still had high profile games coming out by then like Perfect Dark, Paper Mario, Banjo Tooie ect.

etc.? I think that's an exhaustive list

 

[Mashing]

As deep as Nintendo's resources supposedly are, they should be able to release games on time and as promised. Instead there's a pattern of delays and disappointment. If this game had released in November I might have caved in and bought it on release day, because it would mean for once they had their shit together, but it's just lookng like the same old same old at this point. I have no reason to believe this game will make me any happier than WW did.

Hearing Miyamoto say that he still doesn't have a solid idea for Mario 128 isn't confidence inspiring, either. That's inefficient planning and any other developer would be howled at.

How many games has Nintendo delayed this generation compared to last... and how many times has those delays turned into great games? Pikmin 2 ring any bells?

 

[wonderfuldays]

I predict Zelda will move to Revolution. Two reasons.

1. It's already too late.
2. They're not going to waste their best franchise on an aborted platform.

I am completely serious.

>ducks<

NO!

TP will be able to play as 720P in the Revolution!

 

[Tarazet]

How many games has Nintendo delayed this generation compared to last... and how many times has those delays turned into great games? Pikmin 2 ring any bells?

1. About as often
2. Less often
3. Not particularly

 

[Ponn]

How many games has Nintendo delayed this generation compared to last... and how many times has those delays turned into great games? Pikmin 2 ring any bells?

Metroid Hunters? Oh wait....

 

[mj1108]

I think its point one. We've had enough GAFers bitching about how Wind Waker's ending sucked and how amazing it would be if it was finished properly and stuff. This delay ensures that it won't happen again. Which is good.

There's too much common sense in your post for GAF.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Nintendo delaying a game? Imagine that..

The 'Incredible new elements' could also mean actually finishing a couple dungeons so they make it in the final game. We don't want another Wind Waker incident where 2 of the last few dungeons are cut due to time constraints.

But ya know, people would bitch if there was a lack of dungeons, and the same people would bitch if the game got delayed. Damned if ya do damned if ya don't.

We wouldn't bitch if they finished it on time without cutting dungeons.

 

[Yoshi]

Sonarrat: Besides Pikmin 2, which game was delayed? Pikmin 2 was afaik the only major delay and turned out to be one of the best games of 2004.

 

[Oblivion]

*sigh* Guess Mario Baseball will be GoTY by default.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

*sigh* Guess Mario Baseball will be GoTY by default.

Fire Emblem would like to say "hello" and "Fuck Zelda! Buy me instead!"

Thanks.

 

[Tarazet]

Sonarrat: Besides Pikmin 2, which game was delayed? Pikmin 2 was afaik the only major delay and turned out to be one of the best games of 2004.

Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, Starfox Assault, F-Zero GX, Geist, hell, even the Gamecube itself was delayed.

 

[Catchpenny]

As deep as Nintendo's resources supposedly are, they should be able to release games on time and as promised. Instead there's a pattern of delays and disappointment.

Oh please. There have been fewer delays than the N64 days...if anything I wish Nintendo had been more willing to push games back earlier in the Gamecube's lifespan, as SMS and Wind Waker would have really benefited.

The delays Nintendo has are pretty much par for the course in gaming these days. In fact I can think of several more egregious offenders...Bioware, Squeenix, Rare, Valve, and any company Molyneux has been involved with. I hate delays too, but I'm glad to see there are plenty of companies not following the EA model of business.

 

[Ruzbeh]

too much common sense

Haha, no. There's no such thing.

 

[..pakbeka..]

Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, Starfox Assault, F-Zero GX, Geist, hell, even the Gamecube itself was delayed.

Wind Waker was only delayed for a NA release so it woudln't compete with other gamecube exclusives, and the others weren't developed by nintendo, except the gamecube itself, of course

 

[Catchpenny]

The Gamecube had, what, a two week delay in the States? WHOAMG!

 

[Tarazet]

Wind Waker was only delayed for a NA release so it woudln't compete with other gamecube exclusives, and the others weren't developed by nintendo, except the gamecube itself, of course

Eternal Darkness = Silicon Knights = Nintendo

The others (save Geist) were Nintendo properties published by them with their approval; as such, they imposed the delays, not the developers. And they still turned out disappointing.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Wind Waker was delayed from holiday season for "polishing." And look how that turned out - a short and ugly game that a lot of fans think can't hold a candle to the N64 games.

ugly?

haha
. no.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Twilight Princess IS using the Wind Waker engine.

i dont think it is actually. i remember reading an interview where they said they originally planned to make wind waker 2 (which is where the rumors came from) but they later decided to scrap it and build an entirely new engine.. i may be wrong.. but i could swear i read that somewhere,.

 

[olimario]

They said they modified the engine so much that it could no longer be considered the same engine.

 

[Wafflecopter]

I think its point one. We've had enough GAFers bitching about how Wind Waker's ending sucked and how amazing it would be if it was finished properly and stuff. This delay ensures that it won't happen again. Which is good.

:lol It ensures nothing, buddy. There can still be crap elements. Stop assuming things.

 

[Oblivion]

i dont think it is actually. i remember reading an interview where they said they originally planned to make wind waker 2 (which is where the rumors came from) but they later decided to scrap it and build an entirely new engine.. i may be wrong.. but i could swear i read that somewhere,.

Yeah, you're correct. They rebuilt the engine from scratch because they wanted to do more with it or something.

 

[Ruzbeh]

:lol It ensures nothing, buddy. There can still be crap elements. Stop assuming things.

Of course there can still be crap elements, my point is that it becomes less likely that there will be crap elements and more likely that it will be perfect.