RealityCheque
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Top secret, evil plan confirmed.
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"Large scale revision of the organizational structure of Nintendo" - 9/16/15
- Thread starter Shikamaru Ninja
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Top secret, evil plan confirmed.
That being said, this restructure does lend even more credence to the NX being a platform rather than a singular system. It's like I've been saying, Nintendo is no longer capable of supporting two platforms at once, let alone 3 with Nintendo getting into mobile gaming. By combining their console & handheld platforms into one dedicated gaming platform with multiple form factors, they can focus all of their efforts into one platform & scale the power between the SKUs. At least with mobile gaming, Nintendo can afford to have software droughts on that front.
EAD has basically become a brand that everyone loves. It's already weird they're changing it.
No one loved SPD because they didn't create the breadwinners, and were treated as second class citizens.
I remember Nintendo saying that they'd rather go out of business than go third party. And trust me, you wouldn't want a third party Nintendo. As a hardware maker, Nintendo is pushed to bring more variety in their titles. If they went third party, all you'd get would be Mario, Zelda, Pokémon on mobile, Smash, Mario Kart, & Splatoon.
nckillthegrimace
Member
Of course you do.
TheMoon
Member
Please, just because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm trolling or fishing.
But whatever, I answered the guys question no need to be rude about it.
You think they'll continue throwing good money after bad for eternity?
Nintendo has to prove there is still a place for their hardware in the market. It's not a certainty there is.
They had their shot at the big leagues and it was a disaster.
That's why they're most likely moving towards a shared platform that they can support mostly on their own with little-to-no software droughts. With mobile gaming being a thing, Nintendo has to either sacrifice one of their existing platforms or combine them into one with multiple form factors. From what Iwata said & the recent patent, the latter is most likely the case.
TheMoon
Member
Err ... I don't think you know what SPD did or didn't do^^
Yep, third parties are done with Nintendo that's pretty evident. So they can't spread themselves too thin to support two distinct platforms, way easier to make one.
Brain Age won them lots of bread though^^ ...plus people like dat 2D Metroid
If they liked that 2D Metroid they wouldn't have turned Other M into a 3D one that was linear as fuck.
That was a case of them not knowing what the fuck they were doing, nor them knowing anything about their audience.
And a third party Nintendo wouldn't have Smash Bros., because all of those franchises that make up Smash Bros. wouldn't have any more games, meaning there'd be no point in putting them out there.
To be more specific, western third parties are pretty much done with Nintendo for the foreseeable future. They still have the likes of Capcom, Bandai Namco, Sega, Level-5, Atlus (technically with Sega), & Square-Enix behind them. That's not even mentioning the huge amounts of indie support that Nintendo has cultivated. This restructuring is just another hint towards this shared platform for both the next console & next handheld. But at least with the third parties mentioned, Nintendo doesn't have to do everything themselves. Plus there's the likes of WB Games & Activision that Nintendo has a remote chance of winning back. Ubisoft is a 50/50 shot at winning over, since they were most likely burned by the Wii U.
They still have to be able to sell hardware. It doesn't matter if NX is one device or a hundred if they can't move units.
BronzeWolf
Banned
Second page and we already got "NintenDoomed" and "Miyamoto Sux retire already" posts.
Outside of his personal projects, Miyamoto has had a job of producing, but not being directly involved in most of Nintendo's game.
Also, without actually knowing what NX is, NintenDoomed is so far from the truth. All companies have bad seasons, they have struck with profit this year and I would be surprised if they didn't continue with that trend in the following years.
Outside of his personal projects, Miyamoto has had a job of producing, but not being directly involved in most of Nintendo's game.
Also, without actually knowing what NX is, NintenDoomed is so far from the truth. All companies have bad seasons, they have struck with profit this year and I would be surprised if they didn't continue with that trend in the following years.
RoombaDance
Member
I think Miyamoto is basically as brilliant as he has ever been, but has too much power within the company. Essentially I think Nintendo needs an anti-Miyamoto to challenge him when he's wrong and make the things Miyamoto would never make. I think Gunpei Yokoi used to be the anti-Miyamoto, but nowadays it looks like Miyamoto's been placed on an untouchable pedestal.
Miyamoto is fantastic, but he shouldn't be in charge of all of the software output at the company.
Neff
Member
I doubt Miyamoto will ever fully 'leave' Nintendo. He's far too invested in it, it's literally the man's life's work and he's a superstar because of it. I can see him no longer being officially employed after retirement, meaning he basically does whatever the hell he likes and comes and goes to Nintendo as he pleases, but I'm sure he'll continue to be around them until he's no longer able to.
But as long as one of the NX Platform SKUs is a handheld, it'll sell. More so since Nintendo has next to no competition in the dedicated gaming handheld front. It's just that said handheld will be sharing most of its games with the console (except maybe Pokémon).
And if said Handheld/Console/Platform supports UE4, it's going to get a lot of Square Enix JRPG's on it so they can sell those Console JRPG's to handheld-focused Japanese gamers.
and later mobile.
I have a gut feeling that the NX Console will at least support UE4. Not sure about the handheld, but I recall Epic having a mobile build of UE4 that the NX Handheld could use.
Back on-topic, in terms of game development, does this mean that SPD will help out EAD whenever possible?
Razzorn34
Member
Can we please get one thread... one, fucking, thread, without this shit?
It will sell in Japan, but can they reverse the major decline in western markets? I don't know. Mobile isn't going away.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do, as it sounds like NX(As a platform) will fix most of the issues I have with Nintendo hardware.
TheMoon
Member
Why do you have to make this about Other M again?
Gurgelhals
Member
I'm going to miss the EAD name. It's the only division that has managed to keep its name since the old NES days and it also carries a lot of emotional weight, especially for older Nintendo fans. For me, EAD basically means "Miyamoto's Dream Factory". EPD just doesn't have that same ring to it.
Fox Mulder
Member
It's a matter of time. Gaming trends in Japan will pull Nintendo deeper into moble, they'll have to follow the audience.
If the NX still sells like shit worldwide, third party is still there for them.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Yup. EPD is weird haha.
Actually, it was Team Ninja's insistence that Other M be a 3D game. Sakamoto wanted to make it like Pandemonium!/Klonoa.
The NX Handheld is at least guaranteed to sell. It's if the NX Console will sell that's the question. And again, you wouldn't want a third party Nintendo.
Because it was brought up? SPD isn't exactly known for their great internal work and results when it comes to game quality. Retro and I guess Next Level Games might be the lone exceptions under their watch, but that's more external work than Nintendo proper. There are other countless examples of SPD simply not providing the quality of games EAD put out, and the reception and sales prove it. Other M is simply the crown jewel of the problems that the division had when it came to producing similar results of EAD, and showed they were a weak link in the company when it came to making hardcore games.
Still Sakamoto's pet project that he allowed to change, and ultimately forced Team Ninja to make it a Wii Remote only game at the threat of cancelling it outright. What does that tell you about SPD's managerial skills?
Yeah, pretty much.
That's company culture, you won't see that with the current board either way most likely.
Consider it now as Miyamoto's Successors' Dream Factory", its got a good future ring to it and more positive.
Shikamaru Ninja
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It's the amalgamation of EAD and SPD/R&D1/Sakamoto, so it's only right for it to have a new identity that represents all the facets.
Trojita
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The guy from the treehouse, that got fired, gave an insight into Nintendo's work culture and it's the opposite of what a lot of people here are asking for.
According to him Nintendo is absolutely against making a star developer or game maker. Miyamoto is unique in that he made mario and was the developer since the beginning of the NES. I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said that Nintendo does not want to make it so it looks like one guy is getting the credit for a game made when it is a team effort. It's also probable that Nintendo doesn't want one person to become a mouth piece or influence internal decisions.
So promoting young talent is a complete 180 of what they currently do.
According to him Nintendo is absolutely against making a star developer or game maker. Miyamoto is unique in that he made mario and was the developer since the beginning of the NES. I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said that Nintendo does not want to make it so it looks like one guy is getting the credit for a game made when it is a team effort. It's also probable that Nintendo doesn't want one person to become a mouth piece or influence internal decisions.
So promoting young talent is a complete 180 of what they currently do.
I guess WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven, and Tomodachi Life don't count as successful and well-loved franchises because reasons.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
What is Kimishima known for?
CaviarMeths
Member
Koizume and Aonuma have been doing a phenomenal job of handling Mario and Zelda. Miyamoto retiring is a sad thought, but his legacy is in great hands.
Drilbit777
Member
Nintendo needs to make their next console launch count this time. They can't afford another 3ds or Wii U disaster again, they need to actually have software ready and promised for it.
BuggyDClown
Member
Yeah I cant believe it but I have to agree. My only concern is how it might harm the quality of titles.
BuggyDClown
Member
So not that big of a differnce from what I get now? I buy like two maybe three nintendo games a year. Might as well be on my xbox. Though I love my 3DS
From the start I've been that odd Nintendo fan saying they should and one day would try mobile and 3rd party console development to augment a core handheld business (for as long as such can survive). I was told I was a traitor for suggesting it and a moron for believing either could ever happen.
I'm now 1 for 2, and if NX fails I'm pretty sure I'll be 2 for 2.
But in all likelihood, their console & handheld lunch line-up will be one & the same. That being said, the only noteworthy titles that can come to the NX Platform for a 2016 launch are the next 3D Mario & a port of Zelda U. Maybe Pikmin 4, but there's a good chance that it'll end up on the Wii U. Plus Game Freak is most likely keeping Pokémon Z on the 3DS.
But the NX won't just be a home console, at least based on what (little) we know.
Alebrije
Member
That is why Kojima should be working on Nintendo...
Aaronrules380
Member
I mean, I think it's hasty to make any judgements given we haven't see the Nintendo mobile games at all yet, and we don't actually know how well they'll do or if they'll be good.
And I see Nintendo going mobile only before they go on PS4 and Xbone TBH
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
If there aren't, then it's been because of a failure of leadership to foster an environment where there could be. One of the main responsibilities of a business is to have a next generation of talent to replace the irreplaceable.
Aaronrules380
Member
I think his point is that there are very few people comparable to Miyamoto in the entire industry, and not that Nintendo doesn't have younger talent
Cow Mengde
Banned
Let Miyamoto retire. He's worked long and hard. He deserves a break and retire in peace. It's a big loss, but I rather see the man live a happy life.