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[DICKS AHOY]

The claims have no relevance to anything.

They have no relevance to GG but I wouldn't personally want to associate with someone if it came out they groomed/sexually assaulted a younger cousin a decade ago. It could very much be bullshit, especially after how well Milo going after Shaun King went down (stuck between your primary source either being a KKK member or a NEET domestic terrorist), but I haven't seen anything that shows it's either outright made up or severely taken out of context to the point where those logs aren't about what they look like they're about?

This doesn't seem as desperately pulling for controversy points with GG as pointing out journalists sometimes email each other about things at least.

Didn't they also try to smear Anita Sarkeesian as an arms dealer or was that one of their anti-Zoe Quinn ops?

The difference there is it takes about 5 seconds to disprove that stuff, sounds immediately stupid and is usually written/pushed by people who know it's stupid bullshit but their audience are thirsty enough for legitimacy to lap it up and cry 'conspiracy' when everybody else laughs at them for doing so. The only exceptions you'll get are stuff like a few (now ex) GG'rs claiming Gawker's CEO is secretly running GamerGate for easy money, because more media-savvy people like Milo are going to realize they could get their asses handed to them on a plate in a lawsuit if they seriously ran with something like that.

Unfortunately I don't think Nyberg is in a similar position.

 

[Kurod]

I was wondering how long it would take for GAF's "I hate a Twitter hashtag so much I'll defend a pedophile" thread to appear.

 

[Spinifex]

Didn't they also try to smear Anita Sarkeesian as an arms dealer or was that one of their anti-Zoe Quinn ops?

I am losing track. My favorite one is the street race, Fast and Furious-style, that Brianna Wu supposedly challenged some dude to.

 

[Azih]

They have no relevance to GG .

And no relevance to the harassment Nyberg is going through. That's the issue at hand and you're detracting from that.

Really Kurod. You're straight up calling her a paedophile?

 

[baggagelizard]

It's been stated.

1. You urged people to be neutral in the case of a person being harassed. That's indefensible.

2. In fact you are doing exactly what the harassers are doing by spreading their accusations.

Alright. thank you for writing it out. What should I do from here? Am I beyond hope? I guess so. I guess so..

 

[Eolz]

Yep, with people skipping the points, others refusing to say that if she did say that, it's pretty damning and undefendable (or saying "lol it's just the random shit you say when you're young! Didn't you talk about liking children too?! Lololol"), and some just going full " you're horrible if you don't automatically agree with me", I'm out.

Don't know why I even posted in this thread in the first place, those ones always end (or start?) like this. Really disappointing.

 

[Jigorath]

Indeed, my friend, indeed. I am a flawed human being. Flawed beyond recognition. A giant stream of Lies.

You're picking one hell of a hill to die on.

 

[sensui-tomo]

I was wondering how long it would take for GAF's "I hate a Twitter hashtag so much I'll defend a pedophile" thread to appear.

No one deserves to be harrassed, but if she did commit a heinous act she should be treated like any other person accused, you know a trial, investigations, that stuff, not having family members threaten or having places of work called by random people.
To shorten it up, innocent until proven guilty i guess? And harassment is bad and shouldnt be done by people. Its not our job to do a witch hunt .

 

[jim-jam bongs]

There is some grade AAA+ Gater's Gonna Gate shit going down in this thread.

 

[Azih]

Alright. thank you for writing it out. What should I do from here?

You can do whatever you want. Not crying harassment when a bad post of yours is criticized would be a good start.

 

[Portugeezer]

So are people just Googling her name and not reading the actual article? 'cause that's what it looks like.

Great excuse for any shit talker on the internet.

 

[Dryk]

Wasn't this the person who ran that one Final Fantasy fan website or whatever and started saying those fucking terrible pedophile statements towards neighbors' kids and whatnot? I don't give a fuck about GG, but holy shit those comments were VILE.

Hey you take that smear statement back. "That one Final Fantasy fan website" what is this horseshit. FFShrine was one of the most reliable sources of free MP3 videogame soundtracks 10 years ago!

Sarah's said some pretty detestable things in the past. Though she's been working pretty hard to catalogue the detestable things Gamergate have been saying over the last year too. Also:

I’m Sarah Nyberg, and I Was A Teenage Edgelord.
​I got out, and it’s not too late for you.

This title just sums the whole fucking ordeal up so well

 

[baggagelizard]

You can do whatever you want. Not crying harassment when a bad post of yours is criticized would be a good start.

Indeed. Thank you for your criticism

 

[Giever]

"Hey guys I'm just asking questions.

Dude didn't say that. He wasn't even asking questions.

Gamergate isn't all bad.

Given that it's not an official organization, and is essentially just represented by people who actually call themselves out as GGers, then, yeah, that's kinda inevitably true, even if it you might want to say it's irrelevant to bring up. There's assuredly some misguided dolts out there that still think that GG isn't a harassment campaign, but is about ethics in journalism, and they count themselves as part of the group. Each individual makes up the whole, and not each individual is terrible.

They are just as bad as Anti-GG and those SJWs and feminists.

Dude never said that.

I agree with what they say they stand for.

What's wrong with that? The group is awful and needs to be stopped, but what they essentially lie about standing for is totally fine, as far as I've seen.

What? No I'm not GG.

And? He says he's not, and nothing he says really paints him as such.

They were bad from the start.

They were...

Stop harassing me,

He wasn't really being harassed, that was stupid and obviously a poor choice of words.

you're just as bad as anti-GG."

Dude didn't say that, or really even imply it. He goes out of his way to clarify that he doesn't think that's the case, as far as I can tell.

 

[Astarte]

Hey you take that smear statement back. "That one Final Fantasy fan website" what is this horseshit. FFShrine was one of the most reliable sources of free MP3 videogame soundtracks 10 years ago!

Sarah's said some pretty detestable things in the past. Though she's been working pretty hard to catalogue the detestable things Gamergate have been saying over the last year too.

I never knew about FFShrine :y I just went around korean sites and got my music that way.

Gamergate's fucked, but so were her comments. Pedophilia is unforgivable.

 

[Andrew J.]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry. To help me learn from my mistakes, could you please lay out all that I did wrong in a detailed manner. I may be so far gone that I don't even realize when exactly I messed up..

"Being a concern troll" pretty much covers it.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

To try and be objective and unbiased:

She is accused of being a self-proclaimed pedophile because of many, many decade old irc logs on her site, ffshrine, saying very shocking and disturbing things in regards to underage children and pretreens. Those were a long time ago, and no doubt she has changed, but she talks about her cousin, in said logs ,who was a child at the time in very disturbing ways.
[/B]

Gamergate supporters don't give a shit about this. At most, they'll use it as a convenient excuse.

 

[Breads]

Why is this still a thing? What does anyone get out of this? The lulz? Ruining peoples lives for the lulz?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry. To help me learn from my mistakes, could you please lay out all that I did wrong in a detailed manner. I may be so far gone that I don't even realize when exactly I messed up..

Indeed, my friend, indeed. I am a flawed human being. Flawed beyond recognition. A giant stream of Lies.

I can just smell the sincerity from these posts...

I was wondering how long it would take for GAF's "I hate a Twitter hashtag so much I'll defend a pedophile" thread to appear.

Link?

 

[baggagelizard]

Gamergate supporters don't give a shit about this. At most, they'll use it as a convenient excuse.

Maybe so.. I can't speak for gamergate, so I was just addressing what many people were concerned about. I guess I derailed the thread. Sorry.

 

[Krabboss]

but is there any compelling evidence against the claims so far?

There's no doubt the claims made in the Breitbart article are real. There's also no doubt that there's no moral outrage on GG side about this, at least from their base of operations at 8ch. Sarah wouldn't be a target over this if not for her opposition to GG, which makes picking sides pretty awkward here. Even abstaining from the conversation isn't an easy decision, because I'm sure many of the friends she's made in the anti-GG camp are worried about her state of mind and want to lend emotional support.

Like others have said, GG would dig up dirt on any opponent to their movement. I think Sarah's history is a little more serious and more concrete than others though, so I'm not sure how she thought she was helping the movement by getting involved. I don't believe she is the person she portrayed herself to be 10 years ago, but she couldn't have expected most people to come to the same conclusion.

 

[stufte]

Link?

I think he was referring to this thread.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Gamergaters continue to be hateful scum.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I think he was referring to this thread.

Of course he was. I was facetiously highlighting his lies.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

No one deserves to be harrassed, but if she did commit a heinous act she should be treated like any other person accused, you know a trial, investigations, that stuff, not having family members threaten or having places of work called by random people.
To shorten it up, innocent until proven guilty i guess? And harassment is bad and shouldnt be done by people. Its not our job to do a witch hunt .

This more or less, just I find it concerning anyone voicing an issue with their previous behavior is lumped in with GG. Especially given how ugly other GAF threads about accused pedophiles have gotten.

I think most people know it's comically hypocritical of GG to be going after them concerning their own history in just a short year both in regards to CP, politics and overall behavior, or how easy it is to see most of these 'ethical' people are chanting for their death for an unproven crime. Hell, you can probably still find evidence of Milo going on about 'freedom of speech' in regards to 8chan's CP problem late last year while suddenly acting morally outraged now over what could amount to some (very bad mind you) reading RP logs. We know they're hypocrites. You can still keep that all in mind and still criticize Nyberg for a past they tried to keep secret.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Maybe so.. I can't speak for gamergate, so I was just addressing what many people were concerned about. I guess I derailed the thread. Sorry.

But they are not.

That's what I'm saying.

They are as concerned about her pedo-ness as they are for ethics in journalism.

I was wondering how long it would take for GAF's "I hate a Twitter hashtag so much I'll defend a pedophile" thread to appear.

Fish aren't biting today.

 

[Giever]

Maybe so.. I can't speak for gamergate, so I was just addressing what many people were concerned about. I guess I derailed the thread. Sorry.

I don't really think you said anything particularly ridiculous or egregious outside of the suggestion for people to withhold judgment on a situation where someone is being outright harassed. But, you did say that, and mostly that's what people are taking issue with.

If you're actually sorry and feel bad about potentially derailing the thread then it's probably best to just pack up and not respond to anyone else talking about you or your posts.

Even if it's annoying to not be able to respond or defend yourself, it's just going to look like you're actually trying to derail the thread if you do, and there won't be much payoff even if you convince people you aren't as shitty as they might think you are anyway, so the best course of action is to probably just walk away for now.

 

[Spinifex]

Some additional context because it's obvious people aren't reading the article.

Chat logs from an IRC room I was in nearly a decade ago were leaked to gamergate. To say the contents of those logs were not flattering would be putting it lightly. They are, in some ways, much what you’d expect from an early-2000’s chatroom of 4chan expats trying too hard to outdo each other for shock value. Even with that context, much of what I said was gross and disturbing, and I have no interest in defending it. Since then, I’ve learned that intent isn’t magic, and a playground of the taboo isn’t particularly conducive to moral growth. That I’ve grown past the person I was back then is something I am deeply and forever thankful for.

My escape from the pain of that life was the internet; trolling, stoking outrage, and defending the indefensible in an attempt to cause drama. Being hated online was an escape, and an excuse to avoid the reality and pain of life. Where I felt anger at the world, at myself, at those around me, I could be the thing I thought was deserving of that hatred, with relative anonymity freeing me from the boundaries of societal expectation. I could be the bad guy, if not in fact, than in legend.

 

[Dryk]

Some additional context because it's obvious people aren't reading the article.

This is really all someone can do when they have a past of condoning unethical behaviour or whatever. Own up to it, don't defend it, dedicate your time to teaching people about why you were wrong.

 

[Elija2]

Gamergaters congregate on 8chan, a site that is pretty lax about hosting child porn, so excuse me if I think they're being disingenuous when they say that this is actually about Sarah supposedly being a pedophile.

 

[Guri]

If you look at my post history, especially around December, you will see that I was very vocal against GG. In the end, that got to me in a bad way. Conflict can be addictive, but it can also make you feel stressed, down, angry and unmotivated. At least that is what happened to me. So now I choose a different way. Instead of just condemning them all the time, when I see something related to GG on Twitter, I tweet about games that I like developed by minorities in hopes to promote them. I also keep studying ways to make the industry a better place in the ways I can, as a developer and a player. These are both suggestions that people from the industry told me to do, and not because they are afraid of GG (some of them were also harassed), but because these people will never stop arguing.

And I understand that some people targeted by GG may not be able to do what I did, which makes it even harder. But I know some of them wished they could just do this.

So my only message in this thread is this: if you can promote diverse games in any way and you know what you can do to make this industry better for everyone, focus on that.

 

[Jintor]

No one deserves to be harrassed, but if she did commit a heinous act she should be treated like any other person accused, you know a trial, investigations, that stuff, not having family members threaten or having places of work called by random people.
To shorten it up, innocent until proven guilty i guess? And harassment is bad and shouldnt be done by people. Its not our job to do a witch hunt .

basically.

 

[FlyinJ]

Indeed, my friend, indeed. I am a flawed human being. Flawed beyond recognition. A giant stream of Lies.

Well, you certainly are abrasive.

 

[Illucio]

I still can't believe people have no lives of their own and would do this. It's sad.

You can't disagree with someone, you might not care or even hate someone. That's okay. But making it a life goal to destroy someone, that's just evil.

 

[Spinifex]

If you look at my post history, especially around December, you will see that I was very vocal against GG. In the end, that got to me in a bad way. Conflict can be addictive, but it can also make you feel stressed, down, angry and unmotivated. At least that is what happened to me. So now I choose a different way. Instead of just condemning them all the time, when I see something related to GG on Twitter, I tweet about games that I like developed by minorities in hopes to promote them. I also keep studying ways to make the industry a better place in the ways I can, as a developer and a player. These are both suggestions that people from the industry told me to do, and not because they are afraid of GG (some of them were also harassed), but because these people will never stop arguing.

And I understand that some people targeted by GG may not be able to do what I did, which makes it even harder. But I know some of them wished they could just do this.

So my only message in this thread is this: if you can promote diverse games in any way and you know what you can do to make this industry better for everyone, focus on that.

What a great idea.

May I suggest Aerannis in the spirit of such a suggestion? Launching today!

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Gamergate harassing somebody? Get out of here! No way! I can't believe this nice ethics-focused movement would do such a thing! And Breitbart, as we all know, is probably the most trustworthy and neutral outlet since the Bible.

Hi KiA btw.
Fuck off

 

[GamerJM]

Reading that made my stomach quiver. GG is really detestable.

 

[mollipen]

Given that it's not an official organization, and is essentially just represented by people who actually call themselves out as GGers, then, yeah, that's kinda inevitably true, even if it you might want to say it's irrelevant to bring up.

This is the problem I have whenever the "GamerGate" boogeyman is brought up. Who is GamerGate? Is there an official membership list? What stops someone from claiming to be a member when they aren't? What stops someone who IS a member from just being a jerkhole and giving a lot of other people a bad name?

The whole thing has been messy, and horrible people have existed on both sides, if there are even sides.

In terms of Sarah, I don't know much about her. I had one interaction with her on Twitter, and she came off as kind of someone I wouldn't want to associate with. That's especially true given the current round of accusations. The best outcome would be that they aren't true, and someone (GG or not GG or whoever) was just being a really, really shitty human being by accusing her of those things.

If I was someone who just knew her off of the internet and didn't have a close relationship with her, though, I'd be real leery of showing my undying support for her in this moment. Milo, who I also don't like, could be in real deep if what he claimed in the article isn't true, so I'm curious to see what next steps come of this.

At the end of the day, though, nobody on any side should be subjected to harassment, or doxxing, or whatever else. The internet has gotten to be a really nasty place.

 

[pgtl_10]

There's no doubt the claims made in the Breitbart article are real. There's also no doubt that there's no moral outrage on GG side about this, at least from their base of operations at 8ch. Sarah wouldn't be a target over this if not for her opposition to GG, which makes picking sides pretty awkward here. Even abstaining from the conversation isn't an easy decision, because I'm sure many of the friends she's made in the anti-GG camp are worried about her state of mind and want to lend emotional support.

Like others have said, GG would dig up dirt on any opponent to their movement. I think Sarah's history is a little more serious and more concrete than others though, so I'm not sure how she thought she was helping the movement by getting involved. I don't believe she is the person she portrayed herself to be 10 years ago, but she couldn't have expected most people to come to the same conclusion.

That's the problem. Both sides are defending their tribe and a potential serious issue of pedophilia is being glossed over.

 

[Aeana]

That's the problem. Both sides are defending their tribe and a potential serious issue of pedophilia is being glossed over.

If she is actually a pedophile, then harassing her on the internet isn't the answer, though. That doesn't accomplish anything positive.

Pedophile accusations are serious, life-ruining things and should be taken very seriously. If people are actually seriously concerned, there are much more responsible real world avenues that can be taken here.

 

[ANDS]

Yea sorry, but shrugging your shoulders at those chat logs or qualifying it as the ramblings of a post-teen just trying to stir shit up wouldn't fly in most situations for most adults so I'm not sure why it does here. Does it have anything to do with Nyberg's work to keep the nutters in check? No. Is it irrelevant? Not even close.

 

[DarkArterialGore]

I see people are just ignoring(as is Nyberg) the part were he said he wanted to molest his 8 year old niece by name (he was in his 20's at the time so it's hardly edgy teenage rebellion).

I usually don't get involved with GG or SJW threads on here and don't know much about Sarah Nyberg beyond the Breitbart article and her reply of deflection and finger-pointing. We've all said fucked up shit online but I can't imagine anyone that isn't a legit creep claiming that they wanted to fuck a young relative and also claimed that child/pedo relationships are morally ok and healthy for the child...THAT'S FUCKING HEINOUS.

 

[Toxi]

From what I've seen, this escalated because she tried to shut down Encyclopedia Dramatica (where she was infamous way before Glasnostgiggity existed).
And yes, as bad as it can be, this is actually quite a valid archive of the worst of the web (mocking both her and glasnostgiggity).

No it's not.

Why the fuck do people still say this. Encyclopedia Dramatica has never been a "valid archive" of anything.

 

[pgtl_10]

If you look at my post history, especially around December, you will see that I was very vocal against GG. In the end, that got to me in a bad way. Conflict can be addictive, but it can also make you feel stressed, down, angry and unmotivated. At least that is what happened to me. So now I choose a different way. Instead of just condemning them all the time, when I see something related to GG on Twitter, I tweet about games that I like developed by minorities in hopes to promote them. I also keep studying ways to make the industry a better place in the ways I can, as a developer and a player. These are both suggestions that people from the industry told me to do, and not because they are afraid of GG (some of them were also harassed), but because these people will never stop arguing.

And I understand that some people targeted by GG may not be able to do what I did, which makes it even harder. But I know some of them wished they could just do this.

So my only message in this thread is this: if you can promote diverse games in any way and you know what you can do to make this industry better for everyone, focus on that.

/thread

 

[FyreWulff]

get better sources than Brietbart, a multiple-time discredited tabloid rag.

 

[Zomba13]

The thing is, if she really did mean those things she said and she is a pedophile and has a history of child abuse then yeah, she needs to be locked up. You know, after an investigation and evidence and a trial and all that proper law stuff. If it was just a stupid kid saying stupid shit on a 4chan IRC because they got off on saying vile and disgusting things to one up each other (something /b/ seems to like doing) then while stupid isn't the same as actually being a pedophile.

All of that said though, doesn't ever excuse harassing not just the person, but their family and friends because of their actions.

 

[pgtl_10]

If she is actually a pedophile, then harassing her on the internet isn't the answer, though. That doesn't accomplish anything positive.

Pedophile accusations are serious, life-ruining things and should be taken very seriously. If people are actually seriously concerned, there are much more responsible real world avenues that can be taken here.

I agree. The serious issue of pedophilia is being glossed over because GG wants to justify harrasment. People will either ignore or excuse her actions (if true) because GG is harassing her.

The real issues revolving around pedophilia will be ignored.

 

[Nanashrew]

According to Breitbart

Well, there ya go! A site known for libeling other people and taking information from trolls. Milo is currently trying to hide all evidence that he has ever talked or used information from Moon Metropolis AKA Joshua Goldberg a terrorist that was planning to bomb a 9/11 memorial.


You're going to need better sources.

 

[Corronchilejano]

I see people are just ignoring(as is Nyberg) the part were he said he wanted to molest his 8 year old niece by name (he was in his 20's at the time so it's hardly edgy teenage rebellion).

See, here's your problem.

I usually don't get involved with GG or SJW threads on here and don't know much about Sarah Nyberg beyond the Breitbart article and her reply of deflection and finger-pointing. We've all said fucked up shit online but I can't imagine anyone that isn't a legit creep claiming that they wanted to fuck a young relative and also claimed that child/pedo relationships are morally ok and healthy for the child...THAT'S FUCKING HEINOUS.

Never, ever, fucking believe anything on Breitbart. Look for other sources.

 

[mollipen]

Pedophile accusations are serious, life-ruining things and should be taken very seriously. If people are actually seriously concerned, there are much more responsible real world avenues that can be taken here.

Absolutely agree. There's no way to divorce it from the GamerGate conversation due to who did the story and the medium it was posted on and the target of the story, but if there are actual, serious charges of pedophilia that exist as a part of all of this, they're far more important than being put into the middle of a squabble over video games.