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Media Create Sales: Week 36, 2015 (Aug 31 - Sep 06)
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Are you by any chance talking about my 2 million prediction?
They ship very few retail copies and treat it primarily as a digital release overseas.
What do you think the PS4 version is for if not considering the overseas market? Solely reselling people on the game?
Kresnik258
Member
Dengeki Bunko's expansion announced before the original releases in the west doesn't look like there's much communication going on.
Worked pretty well the first time they did it (though admittedly I don't see a similarly strong result happening again).
I'm sure that's certainly part of it, but to note, here was their corporate blog following Diva F's release: http://blogs.sega.com/2014/03/25/hatsune-miku-project-diva-f-2nd-announced-for-western-release/
Sega said:
They sounded pretty satisfied. I can imagine them making some accommodations.
test_account
XP-39C²
I wonder how Toukiden 2 would work as open world.
Just wondering, what is beta hunting games? Those who arent released yet?sörine;178907510 said:
It was a late port, so i dont think thats much of an indication. The same goes for other late ports as well. That said, we dont even know anything about NX, so i think its too early to say which games that might come for it.
madstarr12
Member
Maybe PS4 can now do 1.4-1.7 million next year with that lineup. 
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I mean, if you look at a bunch of evidence that Sega UK/EU/West/whatever it's called is the bulk of the company at this point, and then you look at some random-ass 50k game that's a mashup of a bunch of manga and visual novel characters and say "it hasn't been announced for the west yet, so Sega must not be caring about the west", I don't think anyone is ever going to be able to prove you wrong. That's up there with "The Wii U wouldn't be such a failure if Nintendo made a new F-Zero"
BronzeWolf
Banned
Koei-Tecmo games do poorly in PC because they are shitty as fuck.
I mean, I'm sure they can be happy with potential US/EU sales being roughly similar, but previously they also had good Japanese sales to fall back on.
With the factors involved, I do not see good Japanese sales from this.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Project Diva on PS4 is inherently a bad idea, just that 2 releases in the year makes no sense, with one being a late port.
Oh, for that one, I'm kind of assuming that Future Tone is going to be a free download where you buy each song as DLC, whereas Project Diva X is a traditional product, but I could be wrong.
It's possible that Future Tone devours Diva X's sales. PSO2 did kill Phantasy Star Nova.
yay!
sorry, I didn't remember it was you.
2016 is shaping greatly for ps4 in Japan, also because of the price cut
It's kind of the scenario that happens when platforms essentially merge into one, and now you seemingly have redundant products.
This is presumably why they killed off Mirai, since I don't think they intend to run a separate product line on Nintendo handhelds anymore unless it's distinctly more differentiated.
It would help explain why they added in a story and quest mode into Diva X this year though, to help differentiate it.
But, this also strikes me as the PS4 version being increasingly likely for Western audiences. I'm not sure if they'd actually localize Future Tone.
If they did, well, I'm not entirely sure of the thought process at that point beyond "The Vita is dying. We have to do something."
The game didn't even sell 2000 copies in it's first week. Late port or no, that's a terrible result.
Pennywise83
Banned
It's crazy how they killed the only series in the Miku franchise that increased in units sold from one entry to the following one.
Pennywise83
Banned
They should find the right way on the right platform to sell Miku to a female audience - they said Project Mirai was able to capture a more demographic diverse audience with respect to Project Diva series.
Well, technically Project Diva grew.
The series was around since PSP, with f/F being the biggest release.
Okay, here we go.
2012:
2015:
This seems like a push for growth among that audience, since you don't dump a series to go after something you think will sell less.
2012:
mpl90 said:
2015:
As far as I can tell, they essentially found a product that was hitting it off well with teenage girls and decided to invest in a different series targeted at them by the same team, and that product may still very well be a Hatsune Miku game.mao2 said:
This seems like a push for growth among that audience, since you don't dump a series to go after something you think will sell less.
One thing to note about Mirai though, is that while the games sold well, almost on par with the Vita versions of f/F 2nd, they likely made far less money.
While F 2nd sold mich less, it also had tons more DLC, so a lot of what was lost in overall customers was likely made up by the whales.
They need to figure out a way to get the Mirai audience on board.
While F 2nd sold mich less, it also had tons more DLC, so a lot of what was lost in overall customers was likely made up by the whales.
They need to figure out a way to get the Mirai audience on board.
That's actually why I wasn't sure if they actually minded the drop in sales from Diva f/F to Diva F 2nd, since they had a huge amount of potential high margin digital revenue off of that product, and people who bought the late edition of F gave them none because the DLC was included for free.
That said, the split launch suggests there was at least some amount concern.
That said, the split launch suggests there was at least some amount concern.
Specially if they are going to release some Miku games on NX, something that's likely to happen, imo.
Can they make the game in that digital direction that it has on PlayStation consoles?
There's 100 DLC songs for Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy: Curtain Call.
Was the game profitable? If it was, there's still hope for Mirai and next possible games. Thanks for the data Nirolak.
as for Mirai using last known Media Create CY numbers (JapanLTDrank doesn't seem up to date with these ones)
Seems obvious that Mirai is the biggest IP out of the two now
Well, it was a sequel to the first Theatrhythm, and the proceeded to make Theatrhythm: Dragon Quest, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't profitable.
Huh, did not realize 2 was that huge.
2010 was a crazy year.
When it sold less and doesn't have DLC?
I don't know, considering how the amount of games running on Unreal Engine 4 and Unity is increasing in Japan, and considering how next handheld will be more powerful than Vita (and that's a pessimistic expectation, IMHO), I don't see these kinds of problems being that relevant (theorically). About corporate obstacles...I feel like we're going to see less and less of them. I mean, we're talking about the same company that is now allowing the license to produce its own amiibo to not even a third party developer, but to a third party indie developer. Right, this is a Western example, but it's also true that Western support has always been the most difficult area for Nintendo in the past years, much less from Japan (on the handheld).
The concerns about different targets/segments/age groups aren't implausible, I'll coincede that. But it's also true that in the next future, when Vita becomes much less of a factor, and there's no successor taking up its place (the odds this happen are as high as ever; I'd dare to say today's Facebook announcement was another sign), I don't know if PS4 will be enough for all the titles that are currently PS-Ecosystem titles. Companies like NIS/Compile Heart/Gust shouldn't have problems on thriving (relatively) even on PS4, but surely hunting games can't be successful on home consoles alone.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, i ment it more as a general thing, that i dont think those late ports are big decision factors for future projects. That said, i dont think that Yakuza 6 will make it to NX, mostly because we know basically nothing about it (hard to gague anything regarding hardware power, if porting will be easy, if it has something unique to it that fits the game, how much 3rd party believes in the system etc.).
Kresnik258
Member
I don't understand how you got all that from what I said unless you literally just read the game I posted and latched on to that.
But anyway, the point I was making was that the Japanese branch announced "vanilla" version of a fighting game, western branch announced localization of that title, and then Japanese branch announce an expansion before the western localization of vanilla version has even released. Especially when the expansion is coming to a platform with some commercial viability in the west.
I don't see what size of game has to do with that, really. Normally I'd expect at least some communication and co-operation between western and eastern branches, whether it be a bigger title like Capcom skipping vanilla version of Monster Hunter 4 in favor of 4G down to a smaller title like XSEED skipping Senran Kagura in favor of Burst.
(Of course that's not always the case - examples spring to mind like XSEED releasing Valhalla Knights 3 rather than Gold, but even then, the expansion was announced about a month after the original version had released in the west).
To swing it back to the point, I was using it as an example of Japanese branch not considering Western branch which was what Niro asked for.
The terrible port quality and lack of consumer confidence certainly doesn't help, yes.
Keep in mind that the Diva f and F localizations were pursued and completed thanks to Sega of America's initiative. If Sega of Japan was truly involved in making these sorts of things possible, there wouldn't be 6+ month delay on titles coming from Japan; there would be concurrent localization, like what Atlus has been doing for a while. Note how a localization for PDX hasn't been announced yet, despite this game obviously being in development for a while with a 2016 release date on the horizon. If we're still in the dark now, then that means we're not going to get the Vita game remotely close to Japan's date. Once again, not being very considerate to their overseas market.
Project Mirai DX's package deal is probably one of the few times that I feel like there was global focus.
I'm not sure how showing a Miku demo at E3 is confidence in the American market. Given how little access there was to such a thing. I would go the full length and say Sony went to Sega of Japan directly and that Sega of America had nothing to do with it; why wouldn't you engage the original developer for bringing over a demo?
The Valkyria Chronicles port to PC was entirely done through Sega of Europe's initiative. Sega of Japan wasn't even noted in the credits of the manual other than "thanks for making the original game". Sega of Europe has a lot of autonomy; they're far more successful than their American branch.
The same goes for the purchase of Relic.
I don't know anything about Sega's mobile efforts in America and Demiurge but judging by the Polygon article I'm reading it looks like Sega's mobile divisions work on completely different autonomy.
Atlus USA staying open is thanks to Sega of Japan allowing Atlus Japan autonomy. Sega of America has absolutely no control over this. This is all Japanese business dealings too.
I admittedly don't know much about Sega's mobile efforts, but I think the remake of Puyo Puyo was incredibly stupid, since it's important to maintain consistency for your brand globally rather than address it constantly with two different titles and presentations. Once again... not being considerate.
Sonic is no longer popular in Japan (or was he ever?) so they offloaded him to Western development to try to get a Western-only focus. It's a smart business move, but given the quality of these titles lately, I'd say it was nothing short of a dump and not consideration or a request from Sega of America directly.
As for why no consideration... well, including the Dengeki fiasco which is a giant middle finger to their American branch, there's also the lack of localization announcements for any of Sega's upcoming games. So far from Sega's lineup from the past two years and their future lineup seems entirely tailored to Japan, Japan development and Japan release dates; there's zero global initiative at all starting from the Japanese development side and Sega of America is stuck waiting (like with the 3DS collections) and Sega of Europe is off doing their own thing.
If you see another PC title announcement, I am 99% certain it will come from Sega Europe taking the reins to announce the port of another old title; nothing modern and major. And I am very certain that their movement to PS4 for any titles is purely for Japan's purposes and not a Western one. If PS4 Diva X was really done for Western purposes, then it wouldn't be so heavily delayed compared to its Vita version.
Though this interview question was about PC, it does reveal the attitude behind ALL platforms that Sega of America works with when coordinating overseas.
As you can see.
Indeed. ^There's no real explanation for announcing the superior expansion to a game before the original is released overseas unless there are zero communication lines going from Japan to America. Nice examples by the way.
The size of the title was not really the issue. Also Stump, you should read that interview; fighting games like that are a lot harder to localize than you think they are. I remember you saying something equally silly about Blazblue localization; that title is just as difficult to localize because of the story elements in the game... no matter how shitty you think the writing is, it has to be localized properly.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Greatly? Perhaps one can call 3DS sales "great" or more like decent. But PS4 sales are abysmal, like the Wii U sales.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
huh? I literally have no idea what you're responding to here.
Oops, I misread the post. Sorry about that.
But in any case, regardless of the size of the title, cutting it off at the legs is still cutting it off at the legs.
If we want to argue that Sega West has so much power that the company essentially operates like a Western publisher with a strong Japanese branch, I'm open to the argument, but don't see how that changes the situation from one that is ultimately considerate of the West.
I don't feel localization delays are relevant on the grand scale, especially if new platforms are being commissioned for them.
I don't feel localization delays are relevant on the grand scale, especially if new platforms are being commissioned for them.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
To be fair, it was a late port of a PS3 up-port for the two oldest Yakuza games. It definitely did terribly on Wii U, but it would have been nice to see something more current.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
We've had this discussion before. Games for Sony platforms seem to be announced way in advance at TGS. Nintendo 3DS titles in Japan seemed to be announced like a couple of months before release because they're big enough to do that. It's just different approaches.
This happened last year too, yet we got Great Ace Attorney, Youkai Watch Busters, Animal Crossing HHD, DQ8 3DS, Monster Hunter X, etc. all since then and they were announced not that far ahead of time.
Next year we already have Ace Attorney 6, Metroid Federation Force (small in JP tho), Monster Hunter Stories, DQ11 among others.
Hero of Legend
Member
GSV?
I'm assuming he meant Ace Attorney 6.
Hero of Legend
Member
Gyakuten Saiban VI, my mistake. Sorry.
Moor-Angol
Banned
COMG chart September 14, 2015
01. [3DS] Monster Hunter Cross - 885pt
02. [PSV] Kan Colle Kai (combined) - 251pt
03. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon - 134pt
04. [PSV] God Eater Resurrection - 71pt
05. [3DS] Seventh Dragon III code: VFD - 58pt
06. [PSV] Yoru no nai Kuni (combined) - 52pt
07. [PSV] World Trigger BORDERLESS mission - 40pt
08. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu (combined) - 39pt
09. [PS4] Yoru no nai Kuni (combined) - 31pt
10. [PSV] Super Dimension Neptune VS Zombie Corps (limited) - 22pt
11. [PSV] Moero Crystal (limited) - 18pt
12. [PSV] something for Vita anyone cares - 17pt
13. [PS3] Sengoku Musou 4 Empires (limited) - 17pt
14. [PS4] God Eater Resurrection - 14pt
15. [PSV] Yomawari (limited) - 14pt
16. [PS4] The Witch and the 100 Knights Revival (limited) - 13pt
impressive the difference between GE:Res Vita and PS4
01. [3DS] Monster Hunter Cross - 885pt
02. [PSV] Kan Colle Kai (combined) - 251pt
03. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon - 134pt
04. [PSV] God Eater Resurrection - 71pt
05. [3DS] Seventh Dragon III code: VFD - 58pt
06. [PSV] Yoru no nai Kuni (combined) - 52pt
07. [PSV] World Trigger BORDERLESS mission - 40pt
08. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu (combined) - 39pt
09. [PS4] Yoru no nai Kuni (combined) - 31pt
10. [PSV] Super Dimension Neptune VS Zombie Corps (limited) - 22pt
11. [PSV] Moero Crystal (limited) - 18pt
12. [PSV] something for Vita anyone cares - 17pt
13. [PS3] Sengoku Musou 4 Empires (limited) - 17pt
14. [PS4] God Eater Resurrection - 14pt
15. [PSV] Yomawari (limited) - 14pt
16. [PS4] The Witch and the 100 Knights Revival (limited) - 13pt
impressive the difference between GE:Res Vita and PS4
I feel like this M&L game will be the worst performing in the series.
Then again it is coming out near christmas right...
EDIT:
In line of random predictions
I don't know how Mario Tennis usually does, but I'll guess a 30k opening.
Same for Star Fox, so I'll guess a 50k opening.
60k for FE#.
12k opening for Lego
25k for Disney Infinity
35k for Yokai Dance
all of these are uneducated guesses from someone how has feelings about video games. I'm an expert of nothing and my debates and stuff are sometimes partially wrong.
Then again it is coming out near christmas right...
EDIT:
In line of random predictions
I don't know how Mario Tennis usually does, but I'll guess a 30k opening.
Same for Star Fox, so I'll guess a 50k opening.
60k for FE#.
12k opening for Lego
25k for Disney Infinity
35k for Yokai Dance
all of these are uneducated guesses from someone how has feelings about video games. I'm an expert of nothing and my debates and stuff are sometimes partially wrong.