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Star Fox Zero Delayed to Q1 2016

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Eh, not really care much for the game but I hope this fixes a lot of it.

I'm more concerned whether this affects Wolf getting in Sm4sh.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
It's actually a joint effort between EAD and Platinum. Miyamoto is involved with Star Fox Zero. He did not work on Devi's Third.

I know that, but to me he oversee's a majority of the games they internally develop and publish.

They published devil's third. They over saw it's production with itagki who was leading that whole game.

So to have it release in such a state instead of maybe delegating internal people to help that game which had potential goes against his moto.

Which your saying only applies to his own games that he produces,when he has a much bigger role and influence on the company other than game producer.
 
I know that, but to me he oversee's a majority of the games they internally develop and publish.

Yes, but he did not oversee Deivl's Third. DT was a title Nintendo picked up on the cheap to fill out their library, which lacks "mature" titles. The game was very far along in development and Nintendo did what they could to salvage it. It wasn't worth their time or money to do much, seeing as how troubled the development has been, but they likely saw potential in the game, so they gave it a shot. If DT had been created with Nintendo from the beginning, it would have turned out much better. In retrospect, they probably regret spending anything on it, but that's just my personal opinion, with nothing to back it up.

Devil's Third was a very, very poor example on your part, as it doesn't come even remotely close to representing how Nintendo develops their games.
 

Porcile

Member
I'm more concerned about the controls than the graphics. Even the people demoing the game during the treehouse event were struggling a little.

Chris Pranger was pretty good at it. Watching developers play their own game is weird because they almost are inevitably terrible at doing so. Watch Tezuka or Miyamoto play Super Mario Maker and you'll see what I mean.
 

Servbot24

Banned
I have a hard time believing that a couple more months will be enough time to address the complaints that have been leveled against the game. Really hope it turns out well, but at this point it's hard to not be pessimistic.
 
I have a hard time believing that a couple more months will be enough time to address the complaints that have been leveled against the game. Really hope it turns out well, but at this point it's hard to not be pessimistic.

It's probably going to be closer to six months. NoA is saying Q1 2016 but the Japanese side is saying Spring. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this isn't out until April or May. Possibly even later.

Now, is six months enough time? Maybe not. I certainly hope so though.
 
It's probably going to be closer to six months. NoA is saying Q1 2016 but the Japanese side is saying Spring. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this isn't out until April or May. Possibly even later.

Now, is six months enough time? Maybe not. I certainly hope so though.

What else are they going to release in Q1 of next year? Even for Nintendo, a four month long drought is unheard of. Maybe Pikmin 4 is further along than we thought.
 

Anth0ny

Member
Duke Nukem Forever had a troubled development and was just rushed out by Gearbox.

Duke Nukem Forever is the exception to the rule and should not be brought up when Miyamoto's "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever." quote is used.

there are tons of games that keep getting delayed and end up being shit

it's called development hell

delays are not necessarily always a good thing
 
Duke Nukem Forever.
All that means is it needed to be delayed more. It was still a bad game when it was released, and now it will be bad forever.
there are tons of games that keep getting delayed and end up being shit

it's called development hell

delays are not necessarily always a good thing
Of course they are. If it got delayed that means it was in even worse shape at it's original release date then it would have been when it was eventually released. Even if a game gets released in a terrible state after a delay, it's almost a guarantee that the game would have been even worse if released on it's original release date.

The thought process behind the quote is that the games that are released and end up being shit should have been delayed longer so whatever reasons the game ended up being shit could be fixed.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Yes, but he did not oversee Deivl's Third. DT was a title Nintendo picked up on the cheap to fill out their library, which lacks "mature" titles. The game was very far along in development and Nintendo did what they could to salvage it. It wasn't worth their time or money to do much, seeing as how troubled the development has been, but they likely saw potential in the game, so they gave it a shot. If DT had been created with Nintendo from the beginning, it would have turned out much better. In retrospect, they probably regret spending anything on it, but that's just my personal opinion, with nothing to back it up.

Devil's Third was a very, very poor example on your part, as it doesn't come even remotely close to representing how Nintendo develops their games.

Ok how about Sonic the lost world?

how did that pan out?

Believe NIntendo helped Fund/publish that game, in a co-venture with sonic team. Since Sonic colors was a hit on Wii.

And that was a co-venture since other games were part of the deal.

How did that pan out?
 
Ok how about Sonic the lost world?

how did that pan out?

Believe NIntendo helped Fund/publish that game, in a co-venture with sonic team. Since Sonic colors was a hit on Wii.

And that was a co-venture since other games were part of the deal.

How did that pan out?

Nintendo didn't have anything to do with that title's development whatsoever.

Also, Lost World, a game I have actually played, is pretty good. If you were going to use a Sonic example, you should have went with Sonic Boom.
 

Hinchy

Member
Ok how about Sonic the lost world?

how did that pan out?

Believe NIntendo helped Fund/publish that game, in a co-venture with sonic team. Since Sonic colors was a hit on Wii.

And that was a co-venture since other games were part of the deal.

How did that pan out?

uh

decent?

not great but it's certainly not Devil's Third
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Nintendo didn't have anything to do with that title's development whatsoever.

Also, Lost World, a game I have actually played, is pretty good. If you were going to use a Sonic example, you should have went with Sonic Boom.

Nope I went with lost world since NIntendo featured it heavily at E3, and put money into that game. It got the most commercial time I'v seen out of a sonic game. To me even more than Boom that had a tv show behind it.

Even though you liked it, it sold squat, and got torn apart review wise.

And since NIntendo has/had a tight partnership with sega for mario sonic olympic games, I thought they would have overseen that more closely since Colors did so well, and was an exclusive on the Wii.

You don't think SOny is overseeing Street Fighter V to an extent? They have money involved in development and publishing.

Sega and Nintendo have a fairly decent co-venture deal with sonic games for their handhelds and home console.

How are you omitting this?

Sonic lost world was an exclusive, shouldn't they have seen some of the things wrong with that game, that could have used their touch on it. But they still put it out anyway, so I hold them just as responsible as the developer. Same goes for Sony and the Order, Drive club among other's.
 
Nope I went with lost world since NIntendo featured it heavily at E3, and put money into that game. It got the most commercial time I'v seen out of a sonic game. To me even more than Boom that had a tv show behind it.

Even though you liked it, it sold squat, and got torn apart review wise.

And since NIntendo has/had a tight partnership with sega for mario sonic olympic games, I thought they would have overseen that more closely since Colors did so well, and was an exclusive on the Wii.

You don't think SOny is overseeing Street Fighter V to an extent? They have money involved in development and publishing.

Sega and Nintendo have a fairly decent co-venture deal with sonic games for their handhelds and home console.

How are you omitting this?

Sonic lost world was an exclusive, shouldn't they have seen some of the things wrong with that game, that could have used their touch on it. But they still put it out anyway, so I hold them just as responsible as the developer. Same goes for Sony and the Order, Drive club among other's.

I'm not sure why you're comparing Lost World to The Order: 1886 and Drive Club. The Street Fighter V comparison is a bit more apt, I suppose, though that title hasn't even released yet.

The Order: 1886 is a fully funded game published worldwide by Sony, who owns the IP. Drive Club was developed by Evolution Studios, a development house wholly owned by Sony. Street Fighter V may be receiving some development help from Sony, but it's a Capcom project through and through. Sony paid from console exclusivity. It's not an internally developed PlayStation project.

Your Lost World example is rubbish. Nintendo worked out an exclusivity deal with Sega for three Sonic titles. That's it. They did not aid in the development of these games in any way. If you would like to provide a link or two to prove the point you're making, that would be appreciated.
 

AdanVC

Member
I smell a Mario Tennis delay!

In all seriousness, I don't think that game's coming this year.

If they delay Mario Tennis as well... holy crap. Worst holiday lineup ever for Nintendo.

And I actually wouldn't mind if they delay it as well. It looks like a rushed game created only to have something Mario related for the holidays to have a little profit. Just like Mario Party 10...
 

trixx

Member
Well wasn't going to buy it anyways. Hopefully the game looks much better with the delay. Add some online, local multiplayer, something.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
I'm not sure why you're comparing Lost World to The Order: 1886 and Drive Club. The Street Fighter V comparison is a bit more apt, I suppose, though that title hasn't even released yet.

The Order: 1886 is a fully funded game published worldwide by Sony, who owns the IP. Drive Club was developed by Evolution Studios, a development house wholly owned by Sony. Street Fighter V may be receiving some development help from Sony, but it's a Capcom project through and through. Sony paid from console exclusivity. It's not an internally developed PlayStation project.

Your Lost World example is rubbish. Nintendo worked out an exclusivity deal with Sega for three Sonic titles. That's it. They did not aid in the development of these games in any way. If you would like to provide a link or two to prove the point you're making, that would be appreciated.

So that makes alright for how the games turn out? Just wash your hands of having anything to do with the game outside of publishing.

Don't undermine the fact they are Exclusive games, and have had a long relationship outside of those three games. Look at all the sonic Ds, 3DS, gameboy advance games there were.

And you couldn't get them anywhere else. SO to me if you are associating yourself with those exclusive games shouldn't you have a say in how they turn out?

Mario sonic Olympics games are exclusive solely to Nintendo 3DS, wii, Wii U.

I find it rubbish that they would sign a deal for Devil's third knowing the issues it had trying to come out on 360 and ps3. And not want to oversee the project. And also promote it, it seemed they were trying to distance themselves from that game. But since StaRFOX is Nintendo's brand they will take the extra mile for it.

But screw all the other games we helped publish exclusively on our console. That's what I'm getting at, people are saying Nintendo is squeaky clean when it comes to these things and I'm saying they signed the deal so there for the game that come out on their platform exclusively is also there responsibility on how it is received, previewed, and promoted.

Tomb raider is pretty much all PR timed deal with Microsoft, but they have been promoting the shit out of it, and also I bet if there were issues with production they wouldn't have taken the deal.

Nintendo then to me is the face for games like starfox, Sonic Colors, Sonic/mario olympics, sonic lost world. If those games were not part of a deal, and on all platforms then to me Nintendo is not at fault.

But they have the deal with sega, and their long partnership they have had over different consoles and handhelds shows, they care about that brand.

So to me they are just as liable for a games short Cummings as sega.
 

sörine

Banned
That's exactly how it would be spaced out, but I have a hard time believing Nintendo would release 3 huge internal products (Star Fox, Pikmin, Zelda) on the second-half of 2016. Like how active is the market going to be?
I could see things juggled a little too. Perhaps Star Fox takes Pokken's spring spot and that game moves back to summer or forward to March.

Also keep in mind Zelda (and possibly more) won't be Wii U only.

What else are they going to release in Q1 of next year? Even for Nintendo, a four month long drought is unheard of. Maybe Pikmin 4 is further along than we thought.
Mario & Sonic Rio is Q1, although it's also multiplatform (Wii U/3DS/Arcade).
 
All that means is it needed to be delayed more. It was still a bad game when it was released, and now it will be bad forever.

Of course they are. If it got delayed that means it was in even worse shape at it's original release date then it would have been when it was eventually released. Even if a game gets released in a terrible state after a delay, it's almost a guarantee that the game would have been even worse if released on it's original release date.

The thought process behind the quote is that the games that are released and end up being shit should have been delayed longer so whatever reasons the game ended up being shit could be fixed.


There's times, though, when a delay is just throwing good money after bad. Some projects are never going to be good without scrapping everything and starting over. Some games just need to be pushed out the door so that time and money can be spent on games that have realistic potential of being good.
 

efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
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looks like shit
 
Just a thought... What if the delay is due Star Fox Zero being Miyamoto's last game? What if that is the plan? Of course feedback is strong and heard, and expectations may very well be his Ganon, but what if it is because this is it and a here's a strong "Let's-a-go!".
I think this because Miyamoto took only a couple minutes to basically put the kibosh on Mario's deepest lore without really having to say a word.
 
Just a thought... What if the delay is due Star Fox Zero being Miyamoto's last game? What if that is the plan? Of course feedback is strong and heard, and expectations may very well be his Ganon, but what if it is because this is it and a here's a strong "Let's-a-go!".
I think this because Miyamoto took only a couple minutes to basically put the kibosh on Mario's deepest lore without really having to say a word.

I really highly doubt Miyamoto would choose to end his career with... this game. That would be really sad.

Besides he's already said he's working on Pikmin 4. I doubt that one will release before Star Fox Zero.
 

Shikamaru Ninja

任天堂 の 忍者
Besides he's already said he's working on Pikmin 4. I doubt that one will release before Star Fox Zero.

He just acknowledged the Pikmin team is working on the game - not how much PR, or "personal involvement" he has with the game.

Star Fox Zero already has Miyamoto's demands and vision on paper. The Nintendo teams and external teams pretty much know what they have to do.
 
It amuses me how people quote this line all the time yet nobody says it right.

It amuses me how people quote the line all the time yet it's hardly a ubiquitous rule for videogames that have been delayed. Plenty of them have still ended up being shit. Quote should really be, "a delayed game is sometimes eventually good".
 
It amuses me how people quote the line all the time yet it's hardly a ubiquitous rule for videogames that have been delayed. Plenty of them have still ended up being shit. Quote should really be, "a delayed game is sometimes eventually good".

Was Miyamoto referring to all games with that quote or was he referencing his own projects? Because I'd say that most, if not all games under his direction have likely benefited from a delay.
 
Can everyone stop with that stupid quote? Games get delayed all the time and still turn out mediocre. And if you're going to parrot that dumb quip, the least you can do is get it right:

A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.

And that's not even true. Rushed games aren't always forever bad because we live in the internet age.
 

Astral Dog

Member
Can everyone stop with that stupid quote? Games get delayed all the time and still turn out mediocre. And if you're going to parrot that dumb quip, the least you can do is get it right:



And that's not even true. Rushed games aren't always forever bad because we live in the internet age.

True the game still has a high chance to turn out mediocre, looking at the last Star Fox games as well, the series was never very good with the exception of 64 (and maybe Adventures for polish).

Besides they probably need a strong Q1 game anyways and im not sure what was going to fill the void, SF0 may be upgraded to a decent tech demo, at least.
 
Goodbye YOY increase. We hardly knew ye.

Here's hoping Animal Crossing Party can pick up the slack. But, if you remember, City Folk fizzled in spite of being a proper AC game AND released to the Wii's mammoth install base.
 
Can everyone stop with that stupid quote?

It's hardly a "stupid" quote. It's not always applicable but I think Miyamoto understands the process of creating a solid game better than most. This game may not become the next Nintendo classic, even with a delay, but a delay will certainly benefit it in some way or he wouldn't have made the decision to push back one of Nintendo's only holiday releases for Wii U.
 
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