For that to happen, MS needs be in control of Europe, and they're not even in control of the US. It's not gonna happen.
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Phil Spencer: I don't know if Xbox One can beat PS4
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For that to happen, MS needs be in control of Europe, and they're not even in control of the US. It's not gonna happen.
Holundrian
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For me it's all about the games at the end of the day. Sadly Xbox primarily doesn't really cater to my tastes, the games that I would love seem to appear very slowly on that console.
Atlas AS7-K
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Don? Is that you man?
I kid. seriously though its true that sony has made some nice improvements too, but MS has outpaced them on this, one of the reasons I stuck with the the good ole bone was the 360s evolution over the time I owned a few. all those things you downplay add up, its a very nice experience, mostly. Will only get better too as NXOE gets polished and rolls out, same with Cortana.
Flintty
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I misread that part of your post then. Apologies.
But first they need to acknowledge that Europe exists.
I'm not sure they could point out countries part of Europe on a map of Europe.
ThatOneGrunt
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I think it's all a perception issue and as this discussion has proven, despite amazing strides to improve the platform most of you still think the Xbox brand is a handicapped games console when it isn't anymore. At its inception it had 24 hour checkins on games, apps behind a paywall, no free monthly game service, no BC, mandatory Kinect. The righted the ship and you guys still complain about it.
GreatestHits
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Really wierd how many people are still talking about "cool" and "honest" he is when he still can't even come out and admit a simple fact. I had no idea his target demographic was this easy to rile up and tranquilize. MS obviously knew their target demo was a little weak on the perception side but overshot it and lost all trust as he is halfway admitting about the beginning.
Please present me comments from this thread that complain about the things you listed as if they are still part of the Xbox One product.
Whether the Xbox One is still to some degree handicapped by its original vision (as in: could have been a better gaming console if it had been planned solely as that) remains debatable.
Atlas AS7-K
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Used up all his self control on not changing the S to an $. I'm sorry I don't understand that level of anger over it in 2015.
RichiRamjag
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Come on now... While worded a bit silly, it's pretty indicative of what the market is looking for in regards to purchases.
Team Andromeda
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I own both the PS4 and XBox One and to me the One as the better games and line up. Call that trolling if you must, I just call it the XBox One having the better line up so far
Atlas AS7-K
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Well I can't argue that more power for less money and wild wild west with software licenses is attractive, but why not just go PC then?
travisbickle
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Remember before launch there were articles stating people wouldn't care about MS's actions once the console was released? Now 2 years later even though MS reversed those actions there still part of the collective opinion about the console.
People have to realize that despite Phil's efforts a majority of his actions with the Xbox One cater to a very small minority of players. People on here, myself included, love the focus on exclusives, monthly system updates, backwards compatibility etc. but I know so many people that couldn't give a shit and use their console as a third party box. Last generation it was Xbox 360 with games like Call of Duty, sports titles, Rockstar's games like Red Dead and GTA. Out of about 15 games on their shelf maybe 2 or 3 were exclusive too Xbox 360 and that same mentality has transferred over to PS4 in being the defecto third party box.
That being said the rest of the generation has to be done with the approach he is doing now in trying to convince the hardcore players to come back. Building this good will hopefully will encourage people to support them in launching their next console.
That being said the rest of the generation has to be done with the approach he is doing now in trying to convince the hardcore players to come back. Building this good will hopefully will encourage people to support them in launching their next console.
NoHeDidn't
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While i like the optimism Phil would never say anything like this if he didnt know it was a lost battle.There is no way Xbone can catch PS4 wordwide you have to know if Phil says theyve lost take his word for it im sure hes heard the most optimistic ideas as well.
So unless PS4 doesnt sell a single console from today forward its a wrap all thats left is making Xbone profitable which is what Phils gonna focus on now and its for the best for Xbone owners.
dr_rus
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I keep hearing this in regards to XBO but I struggle to find any exclusives even worth mentioning. What are we talking about here? Forza games? Because there's not much exclusives XBO has beyond that at the moment. Or are we talking about stuff announced for the next couple of years already? 'Cause if we are then this isn't as much of a "focus" as a rather desperate attempt to counter PS4's exclusive line-up with early announcements of games which won't be released for years to come.
I'm not going to start any list wars but I am genuinely puzzled by this point of view as I myself can't find any XBO exclusive which looks interesting to me right now - and the only one which does is coming next Spring at best.
They announced exclusives that are coming after 2016? Like what?
Opinions...
but I've purchased and enjoyed just about every MS exclusive this Gen except for zoo tycoon and that dragon game...
From Racers, to shooters, to platformers to fighters and everything in between, I've been pleased with MS' output so far, and they have more games coming out in the future that interest me.
I chose xb1 this gen because the at e3 before launch, found MS exclusives more interesting...
Bolded the important part of your post. I don't see why you're letting personal taste downplay the focus or the xbox exclusives and calling it just "Forza". There's plenty great exclusives on the console than just Forza, some might not be games you're into and that's fine but people, like RE_Player and I presume others that mention xbox's focus on exclusives are into those ones.
AmuroChan
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I assume he's referring to the likes of FFVII Remake (timed exclusive) and Shenmue III (console exclusive), which aren't going to come out any time soon.
The Artisan
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they definitely should but unfortunately i think they don't. 2 years in and Ps4 doesn't have a lot of the cool features xbone has and hell even the goddamn Ps3.
3rdamention
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They probably couldn't, remember when Albert Penello came on here calling Europe a country? That is probably the first problem right there, when your Senior Director of Product Planning and Management thinks Europe is a country, then says he will be sure to let his team know that Europe isn't. Those were good times right there.
It's kinda strange to me how the roles have been reversed this gen. PS4 is the third party box with all the exclusive marketing deals, and Xbox is left with their first and second party games to pull the rest of us in. I have to say, their lineup looks really good, and I think they are being competitive in the right ways. This generation is pretty much over, but what matters is how much better their first and second party lineup gets over the years. And considering what we're getting this year and next year, they're right on track.
Double standards, what are they?
Double standards, what are they?
Doctor_Thomas
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I remember that.... I also remember the Tier 2 country nonsense as well. What a way to make potential consumers feel valued.
Party chat was broken? What? The only issue I remember was a brief period when people on preview dash couldn't party chat with non-preview dash people.
The Skype codec meant high quality and now there's dedicated servers. How is it touchy now?
PS4 voice quality is still (?) behind 360, but I suppose it's good enough since 360 quality was fantastic. Unless they improved the codec since last September when I last tried it.
Oh wait never mind, I used the party chat a few months ago as well. That included mic is such a piece of crap.
WildEagle18
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The whole list wars and better "exclusive" is really based on taste. Just because PS4 has no "big" AAA exclusive coming out doesn't mean there aren't exclusive coming out. This month alone, I picked up Disgaea 5 and in the next two weeks I'll be picking up DQH and ToZ. This can be said the same for my gf who has both PS4 and X1, we basically pick up the same games since she's mostly a fan of japanese games so the only game she's waiting for on the x1 is scalebound (which looks awesome).
For a student like me, owning a 2nd console is a luxury. Last gen, I had a 360 because of the early japanese game support then it just died. My PS2 and PS3 library consist of pretty much japanese games. Next year is basically where PS4 gets the big game japanese games. I mean KH 2.8 isn't even coming out for X1, which is telling which system is the home of KH series.
Also this goes for the casual as well. Yes, exclusives matters for a lot of us, but the more casual players tends to get their fix of the annual releases. People underestimate how much multiplat sell console now a days. I see kids to adult wanting to buy consoles just to play annual sports title/Cod. You see big time COD streamers switching to PS4 because of the recent switch.
For people using the PS3 comparison, people fail to realize, the PS3 was getting massive support from the Japanese. You had stuff like Disgaea series, the return of the Tales of series (even remastering ToS), Neptunia, hell even niche stuff like Project Diva, Aquapazza and other, the PS3 was basically well supported, it had different genres of game to cater to everyone. It had western AAA games, it had indie games, it had Japanese games, it had a very well diverse library by the start of the PS4 cycle. People can't use the ps3 example because PS4 isn't just gonna lose those japanese support overnight, PS4 strong presence on TGS proves that.
For a student like me, owning a 2nd console is a luxury. Last gen, I had a 360 because of the early japanese game support then it just died. My PS2 and PS3 library consist of pretty much japanese games. Next year is basically where PS4 gets the big game japanese games. I mean KH 2.8 isn't even coming out for X1, which is telling which system is the home of KH series.
Also this goes for the casual as well. Yes, exclusives matters for a lot of us, but the more casual players tends to get their fix of the annual releases. People underestimate how much multiplat sell console now a days. I see kids to adult wanting to buy consoles just to play annual sports title/Cod. You see big time COD streamers switching to PS4 because of the recent switch.
For people using the PS3 comparison, people fail to realize, the PS3 was getting massive support from the Japanese. You had stuff like Disgaea series, the return of the Tales of series (even remastering ToS), Neptunia, hell even niche stuff like Project Diva, Aquapazza and other, the PS3 was basically well supported, it had different genres of game to cater to everyone. It had western AAA games, it had indie games, it had Japanese games, it had a very well diverse library by the start of the PS4 cycle. People can't use the ps3 example because PS4 isn't just gonna lose those japanese support overnight, PS4 strong presence on TGS proves that.
But you got to remember it takes time to localize nothing, and having a nonexistent marketing plan for a stealth launch.
fallingdove
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It all comes down to personal tastes maybe?
My Xbox is only used for Netflix anymore and other than being mildly interested in Halo 5, Microsoft's fall lineup is pretty boring.
Not to say there isn't some interesting stuff coming out but people really oversell what is on the system to date or what is coming out this fall.
The idea that that Microsoft would lower their release game prices (by £20?) because they kept their original DRM vision is pure fantasy. There's never been any indication that that would have happened.
FlashFlooder
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This was the biggest take away for me too. Up until now, it's just been about how they were "misunderstood", and gamers just weren't ready for their glorious version of the future. Props to him for just flat out admitting they blew it.
That would be the price buying a physical copy, which with MS pre 180, all physical copies were essentially digital copies. Yes I'm not buying a digital copy of the game outright for £20~ less, but I was getting a digital copy for £20~ less as my disc was completely useless after install.
All physical copies are ~£10-£20 cheaper at retail than they are on the xbox store even at launch.
Look at Halo 5 £42 on Amazon and Tesco, £50 on xbox store. MS are generally good with their pricing too.
Fallout 4: £42 on Amazon and Tesco, £55 on xbox store. ASDA prob have it for around £42 too, but they don't do pre orders on the website any more.
If MS didn't do a 180 on the DRM stuff, I could buy £42 fallout 4, install, toss disc in a cupboard never to be seen again.. Hey look, I just got a "digital" version of the game for £42 instead of the £55 I'd have to pay now.
SuperSonic1305
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The only thing that has changed since launch is Sony offering even more ps4 games every month of PS+ so you'll have to explain that one.
BleedOrange
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Me too. Best they can do is ride this gen out and make good customer-based decisions. Next gen will be where its at for them.
You're silly. In almost 24 months, PS+ only had 3.5 games total for PS4 (Driveclub PS+ edition counts as a 1/2 game).
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Don? Is that you man?
I kid. seriously though its true that sony has made some nice improvements too, but MS has outpaced them on this, one of the reasons I stuck with the the good ole bone was the 360s evolution over the time I owned a few. all those things you downplay add up, its a very nice experience, mostly. Will only get better too as NXOE gets polished and rolls out, same with Cortana.
To me ps4's gaming features are untouched this gen. MS delivered on their all in one promises but it doesn't seem to be heavy on gaming features. Shareplay, Remoteplay, and even the new communitys are better than any x1 gaming feature imo.
See opinions, for me bc is the most important gaming update this gen. Because you can play more games.
OT I really like the new Microsoft, and phils honesty is a reflection of that, I own all the consoles but in terms of engagement ms are the ones that are going the extra mile.
But imo of course.
I dont think its a case of ignorance, but rather misplaced and outdated beliefs.
Microsoft believed for a long time IMO, that as long as the US was won, the world would follow. This logic was not exactly faulty, as this is the case with several different products in diverse forms like entertainment, electronics, and even fashion.
However, I think in modern times this outlook has become obsolete, as many people in the world dont have the same feelings about the US that were once the normal.
That being said, I do believe the company is in a transitional period moving away from US-centric views and more focused on a worldwide presence, but it will be some time before its the same everywhere for everybody.
bigdaddygamebot
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Nice to see Spencer gets it.
Maybe...eventually I will feel like I can spend money on a Microsoft product but I'm not there yet.
Maybe...eventually I will feel like I can spend money on a Microsoft product but I'm not there yet.
There seems to be a different culture at MS since Nadella took over as CEO. From W10 to Surface line of products, I expect the next Xbox to get things back on track. I like Spencer's openness and seemingly care for the Xbox brand. I think they'll be in good hands next gen. It's unfortunate that the regime at the time of Xbox One design and reveal nearly ruined the brand though.
That's why I said imo BC means nothing to me I still have my last gen consoles. Infact I never used BC on my launch Ps3 and ps2 had arguably the best library ever.
Yeah, there is nothing else he could really say at this point without looking stupid. The best course is just to say it like it is and continue to make the Xbox One the best it can be. Which they are doing a damn fine job of, I might add. As long as I keep getting great exclusives and features, I don't give two shits what the sales figures are.
DannyDanger
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Idk about that. Both companies have marketing partnerships.
As far as exclusives. Sony has a bunch of studios that haven't even announced their stuff yet. So Idk if we can call it, this early.
The only roles thats really been reversed is the PS leading the US market
Given X1 features like game sharing, gamehubs, and Win 10 streaming I don't find that to be an accurate view.
PoweredByHentai
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When a former MS Vice President writes an opinion piece on The New York Times titled "Microsoft's Creative Destruction" and then proceeds to explain how internal political bickering killed a lot of those projects, I think my observation of voting rights in MS is well justified. Consider the following excerpt from the article:
Regarding postmortems, while the vast majority of the public might not care for such a thing, the enthusiasts and early adopters do care about it. These enthusiasts and early adopters are usually the same people that Joe Public would ask a quick Yay/Nay question from before deciding on whether to purchase a product or not. The interview that the OP linked to talked at great length about the sense of "betrayal" that MS's fans and supporters felt at the time of the launch. These are the very people that would benefit from having a postmortem report to give a heads up to their friends that haven't jumped on any platform yet. The problem is that it is now (almost) 2 years since the launch so having a postmortem now isn't as effective as doing it maybe a year earlier.
Finally, regarding the business world's refusal to point fingers at execs, this is exactly the sort of problem that makes people distrust companies. I don't think I have to remind you about the various Wall Street banks and funds that really haven't been punished for their recklessness in the run-up to the 2008 Financial Crisis. The fact that current presidential candidates are even proposing to buff up the Volcker Rule is even indicative of this distrust, not to mention this rather damning summary (albeit for London's financial sector). Honestly, instead of buffing the Volcker Rule, I'd prefer that our congresspeople reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act because a lot of companies seem to willingly suffer from Corporate Amnesia.
It is okay for you to have your own preferences, just be careful with how you choose to express your preferences. A lot of juniors have been banned for expressing their preferences in the vein of what you just did. =/
Chobel
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I'm sure PS4 has it too (Bold).
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