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Blast hits rally in Turkish capital
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Stereogatari
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They are left wing. In Turkey that means hating America. In fact nationalist and religious Turks are softer towards America than left wingers.
Kurds and Kurdish rights are heavily associated with left wing politics.
That's not proven yet. I think it will be a Kurdish Islamist pro-Turkish state group that has links to ISIS. Same as Suruç.
The Suruç bombing was done by a Kurd. I wouldn't be surprised this is either. These would be Islamist Kurds rather than Nationalist Kurds.
Of course it would make sense. America are an evil big military state allied with Turkey. Kurds and left wing pro-Kurdish Turks are all about anti-facism and stuff, so America would be a part of that hate.
Kurdish nationalism is heavily linked with Communistic ideogy.
RustyNails
Member
I'm hoping the separatists are not responsible....because that will set back years of progress.
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Fucking cowards. Attacking peaceful protesters, the made up hell in religions is too good for them.
Apparently the minister of forestry and waterworks, Veysel Eroğlu, has blamed the activists who were killed in the bomb attacks, calling them provocateurs among other words.
Pretty telling about those connected to the attacks towards peaceful demonstration from Kurds. The tone of those working under Erdogan says it all imho.
Pretty telling about those connected to the attacks towards peaceful demonstration from Kurds. The tone of those working under Erdogan says it all imho.
TheRealTalker
Banned
it could be any one
Kurd separatist... I doubt it is those extreme communist since this rally had commi banners unless it is some other commi group
ISIS? maybe
Kurd separatist... I doubt it is those extreme communist since this rally had commi banners unless it is some other commi group
ISIS? maybe
I was here 6 days ago. I am so lucky and grateful to be alive. I kept my travel plans to Istanbul because people here and friends assured me Istanbul was peaceful and safe. Glad I wasn't here for this but I am so sorry this happened to the kind people of Istanbul. Just so awful.
That's not really possible in guerrilla warfare, unless you're disregarding civilian life completely. Then it would be easy, but very wrong. That would basically be trying to conquer/invade a country.
Fucking hell, not again. RIP 
It was in the capital city of Ankara, not Istanbul if that is what you meant.
It was in the capital city of Ankara, not Istanbul if that is what you meant.
Resident_UA
Member
Lets be realistic here. Even if you were in Istanbul your chances to be the one killed would be 5.7142857e-06.
Edit: Wait a second. It wasn't even Istanbul. So it's really 0 then
Stereogatari
Banned
The whole of Turkey, bar the Kurdish South-Ast, is safe. Bombings can happen in America and Europe too you know...
This tragedy happened in Ankara not Istanbul.
Damerman
Member
this is fucking terrible... just fucking terrible.
Who would do this and why? what purpose would they have to stopping peace?
no one is claiming responsibility for this, but eyes are on either ISIS or PKK separatists.
Damerman
Member
man, what the fuck is going on?The Kurdish party HDP says it was the target of the bombings. HDP politicians are reportedly among the dead.
https://twitter.com/constanzeletsch/status/652808041683898368
https://twitter.com/jm_beck/status/652774805893173248
The HDP has released a statement:
https://hdpenglish.wordpress.com/2015/10/10/ankara-bomb-attack-to-the-peace-meeting-3/
Stereogatari
Banned
The Kurdish party HDP says it was the target of the bombings. HDP politicians are reportedly among the dead.
https://twitter.com/constanzeletsch/status/652808041683898368
https://twitter.com/jm_beck/status/652774805893173248
The HDP has released a statement:
https://hdpenglish.wordpress.com/2015/10/10/ankara-bomb-attack-to-the-peace-meeting-3/
I wouldn't be surprised if this was inter-Kurd violence. Islamist Kurds (Hüdapar) VS HDP Kurds.
Damerman
Member
bro, you don't know what you are talking about... just do more research, and then speak on the subject. If you think "death to america" is a terrorist threat, then you haven't been paying attention.
Jack Remington
Banned
I'm already seeing posts on other sites blaming this on Obama.
WonkyPanda
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The aftermath video is heartbreaking
DirtyManos
Member
RIP, and hopefully a full recovery to those affected by this atrocity.
It's always funny to see Western media take attacks in Turkey completely out of their political context. Make no mistake, these people are being targeted for being communists but since communism is bad we are told ISIS and their ilk are just randomly bombing Kurdish "peace protestors". Just like that bombing of the PKK headquarters that killed dozens of socialists was reported as an attack on a Kurdish charitable organization.
There is report of 38 dead in a suicide attack in Tchad market attack right now. I do not have posting privilege, but thought i post it here.
http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/artic...trier-attribue-a-boko-haram_4787088_3212.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/artic...trier-attribue-a-boko-haram_4787088_3212.html
This is insane.
Stereogatari
Banned
What have I said that's wrong?
I wasn't pointing at you, I don't think I ever saw you cross the line like this. Like trying to say that it's OK to kill people based on their ideas (i.e. communists). Not even mentioning that most probably the victims are more diverse than that.
Read this thread, identify the victim blaming.
You are repeating state propaganda just like all foreign ethnic Turks that watch the state channels all day.
Fucking AKP.
Democracy in Turkey is over until the AKP is removed from power.
Stereogatari
Banned
Oh I didn't read enough of page 1 and 2.
Except I'm not. I don't support AKP, I don't watch Turkish News. Nothing I have said is untrue nor racist.
I'm not saying you are racist, I'm sorry if you thought that.
The AKP claims Kurds are bombing Kurds or blame IS and you repeated that thought.
How would you think the AKP or the country would react if a Sunni mosque would get attacked? The whole country would explode with anger. Erdogan would become furious.
Now nobody has proof for any of that conspiracy stuff (pro or anti) but the AKP government is really weak at defending Kurdish parties which enables the violence against them.
That combined with the dictator-esque tendencies of Erdogan is why I think the APK needs to be removed from power to save Turkey.
Mavromatis
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About Turkey or USA?
Most political protests in Turkey are organized by communist/socialist groups and parties. Considering that HDP calls itself socialist and PKK is the abbreviation of Kurdish Workers Party (not a politcal party) it's not surprsing to see the sickle and hammer on the meeting.
Both AKP and HDP uses a proxy tactic before the elections while HDP is mostly close to their proxy's meetings as party, AKP tries to organize their proxy and be close to them as personally via their leaders.
Apparently some group uses HDP's closeness to their "advantage" and play really dirty. And I hope this is some external force and not the state nor AKP because that would torment the minds of many Turkish citizens and probably without remorse on the guilty which'll make it worse.
It didn't involve guns, it will fall fast.
Green Yoshi
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Could be, on the other hand they normally praise themselves for suicide attacks. It could be Turkish nationalists as well. Unbelievable there was neither police nor military to secure the demonstration. Everybody knew it would be risky. It's the task of the government to protect its citizens from any harm.
Suicide bombings sound like ISIS to me, they're the only party that both benefits from driving a wedge between the Turkish govt and the kurds and uses suicide bombers a lot. Of course the AKP is playing straight into their hands by using this to spread more hatred against the kurds.
Stereogatari
Banned
It ain't Turkish Nationalists nor is it ISIS directly.
It's Kurdish Islamists who have links to ISIS. I know I'm sounding like a broken record but the Turkish Kurds have a civil war within them between HDP/PKK type left wing and Hüdapar (party of God) type religious right wing.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Turkish army says its ISIS. I wouldn't be surprised if the perpetrators were from the same cell that commited the Diyerbakir and Suruc bombings. The suicide bombers of those acts were from the same town (Adiyaman) and had connections with each other. Apparently the brother of the Suruc bomber was still at large.
Stereogatari
Banned
So, Turkey's response to this attack? Bomb the Kurds, as expected :/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34501617
This is after the PKK called for a ceasefire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34501617
This is after the PKK called for a ceasefire.
Who needs peace when you can use war to stoke already fragile tensions between Turks and Kurds and make it work in your favour in the upcoming elections?
archnemesis
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34505030BBC | Turkish PM blames Ankara bombing on Islamic State said:
Stereogatari
Banned
Please don't say "Bomb the Kurds". Unless you want to call American strikes on Taliban and ISIS as "Bomb the Afghans, Pakistanis, Syrians etc."
Chinese Cartoons
Banned
Was PKK behind this bombing?
Further proving that Kurds aren't safe in the Turkish state.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
I checked the latest standings on Sonar (pollster I have the most trust in, they were spot on last two elections).
AKP 38 (Erdogans party/ conservative right)
CHP 27 (Secular party/ centre left)
MHP 17 (Nationalists/ far right)
HDP 14 (Kurdish party/ leftist)
So AKP down another 3 points, the other party's are all up 1 or 2 points. This was before the suicide attack, so who know what kind of impact that might have.
Stereogatari
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Could CHP and HDP form a coalition from that result?
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Nope, for that to happen the CHP must rise to 35/ 36 points and beat the AKP in the election. If the result as shown in the polls stands then it will probably result in another elections. I don't see any party going in a coalition with the AKP while Erdogan is the President and is meddling in party politics (the President in Turkey is supposed to be non-partisan... lol). A CHP-MHP-HDP is also impossible, because the whole m.o. of the MHP is being against anything Kurdish. Besides that coalition wouldn't survive a week. A minority government with CHP-MHP and outside support of the HDP is a possibility, but in todays climate again very unlikely. So we will be holding elections until the AKP regains it's majority or until the CHP is big enough to be able to get in a coalition with either the MHP or HDP.
http://www.svd.se/spant-turkiet-begraver-sina-doda/om/oroligheterna-i-turkiet
Swedish article. According to someone who was there when it happend, the police asked them why they were crying in Kurdish and that they must do it in Turkish or they would kill them. Also the police didn't let taxis in for the first 30 minutes to transport people to a nearby hospital. First ambulance came after one hour.
Maybe right wing Turks weren't behind the attack but the police probably knew something could happend and when it did they didn't care and made it difficult for people to help.
Swedish article. According to someone who was there when it happend, the police asked them why they were crying in Kurdish and that they must do it in Turkish or they would kill them. Also the police didn't let taxis in for the first 30 minutes to transport people to a nearby hospital. First ambulance came after one hour.
Maybe right wing Turks weren't behind the attack but the police probably knew something could happend and when it did they didn't care and made it difficult for people to help.
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