ethomaz
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I think it will cross 1 million in 4 weeks...
And it will sell more than 200k this Nov + Dec... it did 200k last year in the last two months.
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Media Create Sales: Week 41, 2015 (Oct 05 - Oct 11)
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And it will sell more than 200k this Nov + Dec... it did 200k last year in the last two months.
DarkLordMalik
Member
I am not new to front-loaded RPGs but after the sold-out reports, I had expected slightly better second week. Still I am happy to see that it was a success for Falcom.
So what was more impressive: Yokai Watch 1 or Splatoon?
For those who were in the thread during its ascent.
On Yokais side it will have more raw numbers and has proven to spawn other very successful games.
On Splatoon's side, it did its sales on a bad platform and without an anime, merchandise, etc and the franchise's immediate future is unwritten.
For those who were in the thread during its ascent.
On Yokais side it will have more raw numbers and has proven to spawn other very successful games.
On Splatoon's side, it did its sales on a bad platform and without an anime, merchandise, etc and the franchise's immediate future is unwritten.
Definitively Splatoon.
Pennywise83
Banned
Well, YW1 opened at around 50k and did 300k units in around 6 months then started selling 30k+ on a weekly basis - Splatoon opened a lot better (which was already surprising per se) and kept selling well all along. YW was more impressive because it started an IP that could open at 1.4m units, on par with Pokémon.
MGS4 ended up selling 970k or something like that, I think MGS5 will pass the 1 million mark, maybe even 1.2 million, since it's having much better legs than 4 even if you don't include digital.
I would phrase it a slightly different way.
I see Yokai Watch's main achievement as successfully taking Pokemon head on, and - at least for now - becoming just as big of a franchise as the 20 year stalwart. It's continued this success for more than one entry as well, and sticks out from a sea of previous failures from Japanese companies.
I see Splatoon's main achievement as popularizing online competitive third person shooters in Japan. There have been some other successful shooters in the region obviously, such as the newer Resident Evil and Metal Gear games, but the online and competitive focus would be something I'd consider a major new achievement.
So, I would say it's whichever of those you find personally more impressive.
The days budget releases achieved big sales are gone long time ago.
Can you say it popularized the genre yet though since no other games have launched since then to show there is interest in the genre outside of splatoon?
Cop out answer
Jk, thanks
If you were looking for my opinion in particular, I'm generally the most impressed by companies that either aggressively take on established industry titans, or new contenders that go on to sell just as well as the titans.
I consider Splatoon a really notable achievement, but I don't see it as impressive as knocking on Pokemon's door.
I would consider that a failing of the other games in the genre at appealing to Japanese taste once an audience is established.
Similarly other monster catching games didn't do very well relative to Pokemon until we started seeing titles like Dragon Collection on mobile followed by things like Yokai Watch, Puzzle & Dragons, and Monster Strike.
I don't feel that the earlier failures suggest there wasn't a large audience for this though, given the number of titles we see succeeding with these types of mechanics now.
Splatoon is more impressive considering it was released on a "dead" system and is more or less the only reason why the system has been selling this year - quite the achievement.
Level 5 was able to have a "Soccer-RPG" sell nearly 2 million units - so their take on Pokemon being a big seller, while very impressive, isnt too much of an surprise.
Different systems and audiences - Smash and Mario Kart have been the Top Sellers on Nintendo homeconsoles since the n64, a complete new IP with a refreshing take on a 3rd person Shooter outselling them is really impressive. Splatoon outselling the biggest Mario Titles is quite impressive.
Level 5 was able to have a "Soccer-RPG" sell nearly 2 million units - so their take on Pokemon being a big seller, while very impressive, isnt too much of an surprise.
Different systems and audiences - Smash and Mario Kart have been the Top Sellers on Nintendo homeconsoles since the n64, a complete new IP with a refreshing take on a 3rd person Shooter outselling them is really impressive. Splatoon outselling the biggest Mario Titles is quite impressive.
Pennywise83
Banned
The primary Splatoon's achievement is to have sold so well on a dead platform while being a completely new IP in an unproven genre for Nintendo. It's also the best-selling new IP on home console since... Onimusha (if we don't consider the Wii series)?
Kresnik258
Member
Ehh, expected JRPG drop for Tokyo Xanadu. Shame. Still, I think it's done pretty well.
Yoru no Nai Kuni having better legs on Vita. Expected given install base, but still, Gust probably should've put a bit more effort into the port.
Solid drop from PS4. Vita is also... oddly solid on Media Create. Surprisingly so given no new releases.
I don't know what to make of these new releases. Maybe some PS3-style legs from GTA V PS4 budget release?
Yoru no Nai Kuni having better legs on Vita. Expected given install base, but still, Gust probably should've put a bit more effort into the port.
Solid drop from PS4. Vita is also... oddly solid on Media Create. Surprisingly so given no new releases.
I don't know what to make of these new releases. Maybe some PS3-style legs from GTA V PS4 budget release?
Garou
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Youkai Watchs true achievement might actually not be on the Gaming-Sales-side, but rather on the Anime-side where it has equal or better ratings than the Pokemon-Anime on a regular basis. I remember the first game selling nothing noteworthy until the Anime started and the game magic legs received.
You're right, but MGS games so far have been immune to market changes, so it's not impossible for MGS re-releases to do well. It's less likely, but still possible.
While the Wii U is a dead platform in the greater sense, I feel this volume of audience had already been shown to exist for a singular title through NSMB, Mario Kart, and Smash. (I feel it's arguable that Wii Party would not have sold that much without bundling, so I left it off given Splatoon hasn't been bundled to my knowledge).
This is why the success of the genre strikes me as more notable. New IP can of course be a headwind, as can home console, but we do see several of those take off each generation. Here they didn't have something like Pokemon plowing the way for them in proving the market though.
Yes, Yokai Watch was also an incredible achievement in merchandizing. Their next IP seems to be based entirely around merchandizing as well.
This is why the success of the genre strikes me as more notable. New IP can of course be a headwind, as can home console, but we do see several of those take off each generation. Here they didn't have something like Pokemon plowing the way for them in proving the market though.
Yes, Yokai Watch was also an incredible achievement in merchandizing. Their next IP seems to be based entirely around merchandizing as well.
Pennywise83
Banned
The best-selling Inazuma Eleven game sold 1.157.346 units. Inazuma Eleven 3 sold around 1.5m units if you count the third version as well.
Sure, but where's the cut-off?
Would a new IP visual novel selling 400K on Vita be as impressive? That would put it up there with or above the best sellers on the platform.
A bit of apples to oranges, but also correct me if I'm wrong but the ascent of YW from nothing to Yokai Watch 2 was the fastest growing third party series ever in Japan on any system(or was it Monster Hunter?). On the other hand Splatoon isn't particularly impressive compared to other games that Nintendo have launched successfully.
The only disappointment in both games I guess is that neither had a particularly dramatic effect on the hardware sales compared to the likes of SMB, Brain Training etc.
Oh I wasn't. Just making a joke.
I can't understand how people believe Yokay Watch 1 is more impressive than Splatoon... At first, Splatoon is gonna outsell Yokay Watch 1.
Second, Yokay Watch is on 3DS, a console which is gonna sell >20 million in Japan, compared to under 4 million Wii U.
And third, Splatoon is a shooter, a game that the japanese never loved.
In short, both are a huge surprise of this gen, but Splatoon is more impressive imo.
Second, Yokay Watch is on 3DS, a console which is gonna sell >20 million in Japan, compared to under 4 million Wii U.
And third, Splatoon is a shooter, a game that the japanese never loved.
In short, both are a huge surprise of this gen, but Splatoon is more impressive imo.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Very good hold by PS4.
Yokai Watch went from nothing to cultural phenomenon. In a way its bigger than Monster Hunter ever was. There are only a handful of games that have had this kind of success, Splattoon is unremarkable by comparison imo.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I'm sure a "real" Splatoon on new 3DS would have been on Yokai Watch/Pokemon level in games sales.
We'll see with NX
Edit:
Splatoon will be at around 1M at the end of the year, 281K in 2016 is achievable.
CaviarMeths
Member
More like Chibi-Ohno.
Pankratous
Member
Who else enjoys these charts most because we actually get numbers?
C'mon NPD and EU one get with it.
C'mon NPD and EU one get with it.
That's all? Splatoon will beat Yokay Watch, and it won't be close.
With the current data, if Splatoon just sells the same amount that Mario Kart 8 sold the same period of time, it will end the year with 900k.
(check here)
But it's currently selling at higher pace, so a million is possible this year.
(Just at retail)
(check here)
But it's currently selling at higher pace, so a million is possible this year.
(Just at retail)
Another week of results within expectations (except, Famista was sold-out or whatever). Splatoon maintains its steady (but shrinking) pace towards a million for the year and as the sole (+SMM) life-support system for the WiiU.
PS4 is tumbling back down, and this being week two of the price drop such a slide is worse than I expected (though only by 5k). Next week we should be back into the 20s and it will be the third and onward week where normality will be achieved. But we had a worse than expected week one and now week two fell harder than I thought it would. We've basically met pent up demand on price-drop from the two week loss, and moved an extra 12k units in week two.
Software continues to be a tire-fire, though, across the board. The PS4 is likely seeing a lot of great used software movement, though.
PS4 is tumbling back down, and this being week two of the price drop such a slide is worse than I expected (though only by 5k). Next week we should be back into the 20s and it will be the third and onward week where normality will be achieved. But we had a worse than expected week one and now week two fell harder than I thought it would. We've basically met pent up demand on price-drop from the two week loss, and moved an extra 12k units in week two.
Software continues to be a tire-fire, though, across the board. The PS4 is likely seeing a lot of great used software movement, though.
What happens next week?
Yikes @ Uncharted. So much for all that "western growth" I heard about last week.
1.2 million? Maybe if there's NX and PS5 ports.
And we all know that's not gonna happen. Splatoon will sell minimum 950k only retail, 1 million most likely. With digital, maybe 1.2 million?
Baseline for PS4 starts to form.
Extreme pessimism. Even I wasn't expecting <30k, I was expecting a 10-15k drop, which was exceeded.
DaSorcerer7
Member
sörine;181639875 said:
Yup, remembered that. lol
I can't believe the Vita version of Yoru no Nai Kuni outsold the PS4 version, despite Gust not putting any effort into the Vita version. Gust should respect the Vita userbase in Japan, since that's where they're going to rely during a long time until another platform takes off.