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007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.
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Fancy Clown
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A poorly shot and worse version of a scene ripped from From Russia With Love?
SolidChamp
Banned
A loving homage to the scene in From Russia With Love.
You say potato, I say patata.
The train brawl was incredible IMO.
Danny Boyle?
Yeah, but I think with Dalton -- if his turns in Doctor Who and Hot Fuzz are anything to go by -- his villains tend to lean toward hammy. Brosnan, at least in The Ghost Writer, feels more sinister and subtle about it.
But that could just be the nature of how those things were directed too. Roman Polanski and Edgar Wright don't exactly have the same style. :lol
UnemployedVillain
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Guy Ritchie proved he could with Man from U.N.C.L.E, among other movies, or maybe Matthew Vaughn (directed Layer Cake)
Fancy Clown
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The fighting itself was pretty good, and I liked that it wasn't scored (at least until the last bit), but the poor cinematography, loony toons ending, and the total lack of pace or tension in building up the train scenes and Hinx's character himself just made that whole sequence feel like they put a fight on a train JUST to have a fight on a train and reference the GOAT FRWL. How that sequence is constructed and the amazing henchman Red Grant compared to the one in Spectre is night and day.
Anything on the train was devoid of thought.
Between the poor Casino Royale knock off with Bond and Vesper to the Red Grant vs Bond fight in FRWL. There was no build up at all. It was just... Remember Bond and Vesper. Remember Red Grant and Bond.
It's very clear Mendes and the writing staff can not come up with a damn original idea or properly build up to anything.
And then For Your Eyes Only wraps it up even worse. :lol
Fancy Clown
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http://variety.com/2015/film/box-of...the-peanuts-movie-with-73-million-1201636074/
$73 million in its first weekend.
$73 million in its first weekend.
SinShep
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I'd use this as a reason why I think the continuity in QoS was a really good idea. After I watched DaF following OHMSSs ending it felt like really wasted potential of a revenge story. The way Quantum carries over its theme of revenge for Bond through the film, then concludes it was very much the kind of thing I was hoping for in DaF.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't think I was prepared for just how incredibly dull this turned out to be. Thomas Newman's score is so damn boring, and strangely distracting(maybe it was just my theater, but the sound mix was quite bad, making some dialog very hard to hear). There isn't a single exciting set piece in the entire film, with only the train fight threatening to be interesting. Everybody, every single actor, seems bored to be in this movie. And between Sam Mendes static compositions, Lee Harvey's editing, the stunning lack of wit from the script, and the look of the film that seems to either be overblown light from God or deadening beige, its a challenge to keep yourself awake for all 150 agonizingly long minutes. And as bad as the first half was, somehow the second half is even worse, with a central romance with zero sparks or chemistry, a completely wasted Christopher Waltz, pointless retcons, and about 3 anti-climaxes one after another, each more nonsencial than the last. I felt trapped watching this movie. I wanted to escape the theater, but some sense of fandom kept me there.
Thing is, its the kind of bad film that makes you question that fandom. Like maybe this is it for me, this series has clearly gone so far up its own ass, that even on the curve that we often rate James Bond movies, I can't even give it a pass. Then I went back to YouTube, and found that clip of Bond and Vesper on the train. What a night and day difference! A conversation full of wit and character-revealing moments, performed by actors clearly relishing the material, starring a Bond who's cool and handsome but still somebody recognizably human, edited with a smooth rhythm for maximum audience engagement. Then I went through all the other clips, the fantastic action sequences, David Arnold's wonderful score, how a fuckin' poker game had more dramatic stakes and tension than all the sequences in Spectre combined, and then I realized....no, I don't hate James Bond. Its just Spectre that sucks.
Thing is, its the kind of bad film that makes you question that fandom. Like maybe this is it for me, this series has clearly gone so far up its own ass, that even on the curve that we often rate James Bond movies, I can't even give it a pass. Then I went back to YouTube, and found that clip of Bond and Vesper on the train. What a night and day difference! A conversation full of wit and character-revealing moments, performed by actors clearly relishing the material, starring a Bond who's cool and handsome but still somebody recognizably human, edited with a smooth rhythm for maximum audience engagement. Then I went through all the other clips, the fantastic action sequences, David Arnold's wonderful score, how a fuckin' poker game had more dramatic stakes and tension than all the sequences in Spectre combined, and then I realized....no, I don't hate James Bond. Its just Spectre that sucks.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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So formulaic, which is odd to say for a Bond movie but yeah. Some parts were hard to sit through, some parts were intense.
My condolences.
I loved them, Craig was incredible IMO.
It was just to much, I have no idea where to jump in. But when there is a Spectre Arc in the old movies, I will follow them first.
I was talking about Die another Day, assuming that's what you watched.
you are so lucky. there's so much great shit.
The Elite
BOSS
This is pretty much my ranking and I like them all as well. Spectre would probably crack the top 10 on my overall Bond list too. I need to think it over.
I think SPECTRE sets a record for outstanding actors absolutely wasted in meaningless roles between Scott, Waltz, and Bellucci. While Seydoux wasn't totally wasted she and Craig had little chemistry. The constant Vesper reminders did her no favors.
At least seeing it in IMAX was kinda fun. Definitely the worst out of the four espionage movies I've seen this year though.
Vaughn did Kingsman so...
At least seeing it in IMAX was kinda fun. Definitely the worst out of the four espionage movies I've seen this year though.
Vaughn did Kingsman so...
The first five movies have Spectre in them. They are also worth watching. Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball and On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Don't miss out on either of the Timothy Dalton movies either. They are very mature and different from the rest of them. Those are License to Kill and The Living Daylights.
I would recommend watching at least one movie from each actor.
Was this the one with Halle Berry and the stupid satelite who melted the ice palast?
I saw this and thought, ok, this is classic Bond? Seems I didnt missed to much, but Ive learned that the Brosnan era seemed to be the worst yet?
Will definitly watch a couple of them when I see a sale, very excited for classics like From Russia with love, etc
Saw it yesterday, and came out a bit disappointed. Some parts were good but it was far too long, the car chase seemed more like a throwaway, and it was pretty formulaic.
The worst is
Léa Seydoux though.
The worst is
figuring out the head security guy would be a main villain in his second scene and having to wait 90 minutes for that reveal.
Léa Seydoux though.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
This movie was downright terrible as far as I'm concerned. One of the worst bond films I've personally ever watched.
BertramCooper
Banned
I keep seeing Spectre called "cheesy." I actually didn't find the movie particularly cheesy, to be honest. I thought Skyfall was far cheesier than Spectre.
Spectre was just ineptly plotted and written, with dull visuals, dull direction and dull acting.
Skyfall was corny and stupid, but it sure as hell wasn't dull.
Spectre was just ineptly plotted and written, with dull visuals, dull direction and dull acting.
Skyfall was corny and stupid, but it sure as hell wasn't dull.
Doctor Decimate
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Recorded a rather long audio review for it with a friend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdPvzcfZ14
(As a warning, there's a fairly light spoiler somewhere in there that isn't part of the ending spoiler section, but I'll say it "spoils" something that I'm confident almost everyone can figure out on their own).
I don't hate Spectre and I think it remains watchable and even enjoyable at times, but if they wanted to go back to formula, they really shouldn't have even tried to do the emotional, personal stuff because all of that just falls flat. I think it could've worked as "just another Bond movie," but they clearly tried to make it more than that and almost everything involved in that attempt (the villain, the continuity, the romance, the "deeper" themes) is half-baked at best. It completes Skyfall's rather unfortunate aspiration to steer the franchise back into familiar territory, but it doesn't even do that particularly well since it has all the baggage of being a Daniel Craig James Bond movie tacked on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdPvzcfZ14
(As a warning, there's a fairly light spoiler somewhere in there that isn't part of the ending spoiler section, but I'll say it "spoils" something that I'm confident almost everyone can figure out on their own).
I don't hate Spectre and I think it remains watchable and even enjoyable at times, but if they wanted to go back to formula, they really shouldn't have even tried to do the emotional, personal stuff because all of that just falls flat. I think it could've worked as "just another Bond movie," but they clearly tried to make it more than that and almost everything involved in that attempt (the villain, the continuity, the romance, the "deeper" themes) is half-baked at best. It completes Skyfall's rather unfortunate aspiration to steer the franchise back into familiar territory, but it doesn't even do that particularly well since it has all the baggage of being a Daniel Craig James Bond movie tacked on.
Yes, that's the one.
It depends who you ask. I would argue Roger Moore is the worst but I haven't finished The Spy Who Loved Me and have yet to see For Your Eyes Only. But at least Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies are good and I enjoyed the first hour of Die Another Day. But again, it depends who you ask.
Melon Husk
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Long winded, like all the scenes in Spectre. I liked it way more than the opening scene that kept going on and on... and we all knew the most obvious way it'd end, and so it did. Similarly the main plot was clear the moment they showed the news on the
Johannesburg
Also, something I noticed:
They would have never treated England/Scotland as an exotic location in the old days.
Please stop bombing the shit out of London aswell.
It was clear for me the moment
South Africa voted no.
Johannesburg was bombed
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It was almost certainly cheesy. How they ever thought that movie would be any good on release is an absolute mystery to me. It had no business even being labeled a bond film as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe I'm just so disappointed that I'm being extra harsh with my criticism. Either way, the movie simply wasn't very good at all. The plot was terrible, I didn't find the villains at all cool or interesting past the very earliest stages of the movie.
As others have said, it was beyond obvious from the very early part of the movie that one of the "good guys" would turn out to be a traitor. C, I believe the name was. I honestly can't remember very much about it. To be honest, it felt like a really, really long version of one of those WWE sponsored films or something.
BertramCooper
Banned
What I mean is that I didn't find it to be cheesy in the way that so many Bond films are cheesy. That sort of cheesiness can actually be fun and endearing, if played correctly.
Cheese is the least of Spectre's problems, IMO.
Moore is the worst. The Spy Who Loved and For Your Eyes Only are his best, but only insofar as they're the least bad of an entirely bad run.
I'm not sure where the MI5 plot comparisons are coming from, but mostly because I've largely forgotten that movie's plot. :lol
BertramCooper
Banned
The Spy Who Loved Me is my favorite Moore film.
For Your Eyes Only is probably the most common choice, but I find TSWLM so much more enjoyable. It's Bond cheese at its best.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Moonraker is more exciting than Spectre, tbh. Octopussy, too.
I draw the line at AVTAK tho
I draw the line at AVTAK tho
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Spy Who Loved Me is better than For Your Eyes in almost every way.
michaelius
Banned
Watched this today. Movie itself was ok (which is still improvement compared to other Craig Bonds) but that intro song was the worst tint he history of series.
jetpacks was yes
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It's pretty much the perfect Bond movie. Before it became a bit more cartoony and formulaic.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
those eyes tho
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