I actually thought this was all leading to
Madeleine turning out to be in league with Spectre
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Anyone else feel like Craig actually looked better/younger in Spectre than in Skyfall, inexplicably? Obviously a large portion of it was the facial hair and makeup, but Craig looked haggard as fuck in Skyfall but a little more spry here.
Although he looks SO much younger in CR/QoS.
Although he looks SO much younger in CR/QoS.
It's true haha. Connery got fat, Moore looked like a grandather, Brosnan got puffy and Craig has gotten pretty weathered.
I do not think
She woke up just at that moment. He just finally stopped running around long enough to actually listen. The over all goal was not just to get Bond to come to him, it was to make him suffer. As far as Bautista going after him, he did not send him that was personal. Bautista was out of the meeting and in the car right away. He saw Bond on the camera with Mr White. That was all personal. He was not sent by Blofeld
EatinOlives
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The rest of the film yeah, but I thought that specific setpiece was impeccably shot and paced. *shrug*
ViewtifulJC
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Something else I noticed from the CR/QoS movies, was how Craig's performance became much more reserved. His facial reactions, the way he moves, the way he fights, the way he delivers lines. It probably has just as much to do with the direction than the age, but that was something I always liked about the first two was how lively and dangerous Craig's Bond was. He wasn't so in control, and I think that animalistic side made him more interesting. It something that made him different from other Bonds, a wild physicality.
There's a beat in QoS, where after tackling an assassin through a window, he stabs, pulls and cracks this guy. And then he waits for him to die. He looks around, calms down, hears the sounds of the city and the man's breathes slowly fading away.
I don't remember either Mendes film feeling like that. His shooting style, his compositions and rhythms, shot selections, the style of performances...there's a very distinct difference between his films and CR/QoS.
I thought I was alone in this! Yeah, I thought he looked better in Spectre than in Skyfall. Good to see I'm not crazy. Daniel definitely looks his age but in a great way personally.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Something else I noticed from the CR/QoS movies, was how Craig's performance became much more reserved. His facial reactions, the way he moves, the way he fights, the way he delivers lines. It probably has just as much to do with the direction than the age, but that was something I always liked about the first two was how lively and dangerous Craig's Bond was. He wasn't so in control, and I think that animalistic side made him more interesting. It something that made him different from other Bonds, a wild physicality.
There's a beat in QoS, where after tackling an assassin through a window, he stabs, pulls and cracks this guy. And then he waits for him to die. He looks around, calms down, hears the sounds of the city and the man's breathes slowly fading away.
I don't remember either Mendes film feeling like that. His shooting style, his compositions and rhythms, shot selections, the style of performances...there's a very distinct difference between his films and CR/QoS.
YES! I loved that scene after he kills the guy. The way how Craig looks the other way as he waits for the man to die.
Spectre is actually my favourite Bond movie. That's probably not a popular opinion, but there you go. It was less boring than Casino Royale, mostly made more sense than Skyfall (because bits of Silva's plan were ridiculous) and it's not hard to be better than Quantum of Solace.
I actually don't like the old Bond films that much anymore. Mostly because it wasn't much of a series. Each one was just another random unconnected episode of this guy's endless life. I don't even treat them as being in the same franchise as Craig's movies.
I do have a few of nitpicks with Spectre.
1. Bond's choice of women extends to one whose husband just died and one whose father just died. This might just be the lowest he has sunk.
2. The villains don't make the smartest decisions. Hinx brings a gun to most encounters but when he has the chance to take Bond by surprise on the train he would rather do things the hard way. In general they prefer to hurt Bond in complicated ways rather than just kill him easily.
3. The surveillance plot is the best that spy movies can come up with at this point, just because it's topical.
I actually don't like the old Bond films that much anymore. Mostly because it wasn't much of a series. Each one was just another random unconnected episode of this guy's endless life. I don't even treat them as being in the same franchise as Craig's movies.
I do have a few of nitpicks with Spectre.
1. Bond's choice of women extends to one whose husband just died and one whose father just died. This might just be the lowest he has sunk.
2. The villains don't make the smartest decisions. Hinx brings a gun to most encounters but when he has the chance to take Bond by surprise on the train he would rather do things the hard way. In general they prefer to hurt Bond in complicated ways rather than just kill him easily.
3. The surveillance plot is the best that spy movies can come up with at this point, just because it's topical.
Ignatz Mouse
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I though Spectre returned him to that, actually.
"Hmm, there might be a secret room here. I'll just punch the wall."
Jason's Ultimatum
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But they did that in goldeneye.
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And Skyfall.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Shit. Shows how much I try and forget skyfall.
Anton Sugar
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I feel like beast Bond looks younger, too. I agree, he looked oldest in Skyfall, better in Spectre. A little padding/rounding to his face is better than haggard Skyfall Bond.
Stupid Daniel Craig, confined to linear time.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Tonight's the night!
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Jason's Ultimatum
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Craig looks better with longer hair: CR and QOS. He looked oooolder with the short hair in skyfall.
Bobby Roberts
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Looks like Sony overestimated the Opening Weekend by 3 mil.
Free falllllllllinnnnnnn
Bobby Roberts
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Not even bothering to wait til next weekend to start the drops.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I hope Craig does one more.
New blood though. Maybe EON will take the criticism of this one to heart...
But man, Sony execs saw this coming ages ago during those leaks, and they still left it as is, didn't they
New blood though. Maybe EON will take the criticism of this one to heart...
But man, Sony execs saw this coming ages ago during those leaks, and they still left it as is, didn't they
crazyrabbits
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There were several agents in the opening of Living Daylights, but (IIRC) all of them besides Bond were killed during the training mission.
that's why its a reverse parody, except this time they got the actor who play bond previously.
people told me, something about that was in the ian flemming bocks already.
Last Hearth
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Pretty much, on a scale of 1-10, Casino Royale=8, QoS=6, Skyfall=5, and Spectre is a dreadful 3.
Ignatz Mouse
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SinShep
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I keep thinking that there is something in there, and it will break and there is a thumb drive or something.
NealMcCauley
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Something else I noticed from the CR/QoS movies, was how Craig's performance became much more reserved. His facial reactions, the way he moves, the way he fights, the way he delivers lines. It probably has just as much to do with the direction than the age, but that was something I always liked about the first two was how lively and dangerous Craig's Bond was. He wasn't so in control, and I think that animalistic side made him more interesting. It something that made him different from other Bonds, a wild physicality.
There's a beat in QoS, where after tackling an assassin through a window, he stabs, pulls and cracks this guy. And then he waits for him to die. He looks around, calms down, hears the sounds of the city and the man's breathes slowly fading away.
I don't remember either Mendes film feeling like that. His shooting style, his compositions and rhythms, shot selections, the style of performances...there's a very distinct difference between his films and CR/QoS.
I've found that too. The way Craig delivers his lines in CR and QoS was much better. Something just felt off in Skyfall and Spectre, he seemed to have less... emotion and character.
https://youtu.be/sT6PRT_XHRA
https://youtu.be/QdgmAPr_m4A
I thought they were done well in QoS, versus say this https://youtu.be/sIaauiVU4To but maybe that's the point.
Just saw it. A bit late to the party, I know.
As a massive Bond fan, I'm kinda scratching my head. The first half atleast (minus the opening sequence) was all over the place. The pacing was off, the dialogue and writing was shocking...I didn't feel it sorted itself out until Bond arrives at the crater base. After that it was watchable, and actually enjoyable, but it felt like two films tail ended together, made by two different people.
Very jarring, and disappointing. The potential was there, and yet totally underplayed the elements what could make it work. I knew people thought Waltz wasn't used enough, and whilst he could have done with more screen time, Andrew Scott was woefully underused, to the point that it felt criminal. He has the acting ability to match Waltz' eccentricity, and yet we never see that. Damn shame.
The highs were higher than QoS, but the lows are just mind numbingly frutating; it wasn't nan expected suspension of belief, or a sloppy plot; the first half felt genuinely BAD. Maybe I need another watch, I dunno.
It's a sad thing when the highlight was seeing a trailer I've seen already a dozen or so times.
As a massive Bond fan, I'm kinda scratching my head. The first half atleast (minus the opening sequence) was all over the place. The pacing was off, the dialogue and writing was shocking...I didn't feel it sorted itself out until Bond arrives at the crater base. After that it was watchable, and actually enjoyable, but it felt like two films tail ended together, made by two different people.
Very jarring, and disappointing. The potential was there, and yet totally underplayed the elements what could make it work. I knew people thought Waltz wasn't used enough, and whilst he could have done with more screen time, Andrew Scott was woefully underused, to the point that it felt criminal. He has the acting ability to match Waltz' eccentricity, and yet we never see that. Damn shame.
The highs were higher than QoS, but the lows are just mind numbingly frutating; it wasn't nan expected suspension of belief, or a sloppy plot; the first half felt genuinely BAD. Maybe I need another watch, I dunno.
It's a sad thing when the highlight was seeing a trailer I've seen already a dozen or so times.
Discotheque
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Something else I noticed from the CR/QoS movies, was how Craig's performance became much more reserved. His facial reactions, the way he moves, the way he fights, the way he delivers lines. It probably has just as much to do with the direction than the age, but that was something I always liked about the first two was how lively and dangerous Craig's Bond was. He wasn't so in control, and I think that animalistic side made him more interesting. It something that made him different from other Bonds, a wild physicality.
There's a beat in QoS, where after tackling an assassin through a window, he stabs, pulls and cracks this guy. And then he waits for him to die. He looks around, calms down, hears the sounds of the city and the man's breathes slowly fading away.
I don't remember either Mendes film feeling like that. His shooting style, his compositions and rhythms, shot selections, the style of performances...there's a very distinct difference between his films and CR/QoS.
i was just talking about this a while ago. and the way he bandages up his wounds in casino royale and quantum. he's way more quick and efficient in those two than in skyfall. very bourne-esque in his movements. cold as fuck.
I think it's simpler than that. I don't believe Craig has the range to deal with more hamfisted material. The last two Bond movies especially have moments where he flourishes, and moments where it would be more capable with a sense of humor.
ViewtifulJC
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he just seemed more interesting in the earlier ones. He sells lines that got no business working, and there's a really palpable sense of emotional vulnerability in his hesitation and delivery to Vesper.
It also helps that he has, like, 10x the chemistry with Eva Green then any other Bond Girl, cept maybe M strangely enough.
It also helps that he has, like, 10x the chemistry with Eva Green then any other Bond Girl, cept maybe M strangely enough.
Discotheque
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that doesn't account for the difference in his action scenes and his movement though. this is definitely the producers and mendes pulling him back to a more traditional suave bond.
edit: actually i think that exchange between him and vesper has aged so poorly lmao. it was like romance novel dialogue "you have stripped my armor" etc. etc. only problem I have with that movie was some of the cornball shit they were saying to sell Bond's vulnerability to her. everything else though cements it as Craig's best and the best bond film since from russia with love.
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Let's be real folks. He is a professional actor in a 200 million dollar film.
This was the performance he was directed to give.
Cuz no actor in history has never phoned it in.
It's not really a secret he's kinda done with the role.
He comes across like a giant cunt quite a few of his statements. I think a bit of it is he is humoring himself.
Which was such a stupid thing.
1. He was still the same age as basically Bronsan, Dalton, and Moore when they started.
2. Its his third film and they knew they said several more after.
3. They basically dropped it after he came back, so 30 minutes into the film. It didn't matter anymore.
Well, his career ends once Bond is done.
Judi Dench had great chem with Bronsan too. She is hands down the best M and sadly we will probably not get an equal.
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