Honestly, I can't blame him for those inane questions. Press junkets argh.
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Honestly, I can't blame him for those inane questions. Press junkets argh.
CR is so good.
tiggerkiddo
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Saw the movie, I liked it honestly. The story isn't anything to write home about at all but it was entertaining. The theme was nowhere near as good as CS but I liked it as well, surprisingly enough. I'd welcome Craig for one more of these films.
I just came back from the theatre and thought I'd write up a good three or four paragraphs detailing just how much this movie sucks but you've seem to hit all the key points. I just want to add what was the point of Mr. White's daughter? Why is she so inept? Bond really shows its age when every single female character is a damsel in distress only serving as a port for Bond to dock into briefly. The recent Mission Impossible film completely shits all over SPECTRE in every way.
I've had enough of Craig, I'm so serious "woe is me" secret assassin Bond. Please, give me back super outrageous and fun Bond who enjoys what he does and shoot terrorists with lasers in outer space.
Discotheque
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hell no. that's the kind of thinking that lead to die another day.
Die Another Day was more enjoyable than SPECTRE.
This year has been solid for Spy films.
Kingsman, The Man from UNCLE, Spy, and MI5....
Shame Bond failed to deliver even something decent.
I'd much prefer another Die Another Day than Spectre. DAD was bad, but at least understood how to be entertaining. This is was just bad and boring.
Discotheque
Banned
i shouldn't be one to talk since I'm seeing it tomorrow but I really freaking doubt (halle berry swimsuit aside) that die another day is better than spectre. y'all must be tripping.
You haven't seen it? Trust me, it's bad. I rarely complain about the length of a movie, TDKR is nearly three hours long and I wanted more by the end, the same goes for Interstellar. SPECTRE is 2hrs and 28min and yet it feels so much longer because there are so many useless scenes. Hell, even the opening to the scene is just so boring although it tries to mask itself as cool by starting with a tracking shot. Honestly, that is the whole movie "trying to look cool," but forgetting everything that makes something "cool" or good in an action movie. A complete waste.
No way, the plot surfing the wave halfway through and bad cgi ensure it's a vastly inferior movie.
I like how everyone is pontificating over what makes Craig look older in Skyfall... stubble, hair length. I'm sure it's partially that, but he simply gets older looking every outing and is at the point in Spectre that they applied some LolaFX. It's evident in quite a few shots.
I stand by my statement. The movie also had Bond outrun a space laser with his invisible car, way more enjoyable than boring, stern faced Craig action sequence #13. Hell, the entire first act of DAD was amazing, the movie only "fell apart" once he actually got to the arctic retreat.
Someone made a comment earlier in the spoiler thread that Spectre made them question whether they actually were a fan of the Bond franchise. I came out of the theater with the exact same reaction in that I was wondering if I was just growing too old for some of the humor and whether this wasn't my sort of movie anymore.
Then I started watching the Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace clips. God damn it, Craig was much better in those films for whatever reason.
Then I started watching the Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace clips. God damn it, Craig was much better in those films for whatever reason.
Jason's Ultimatum
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So I saw the movie...
I really don't know what to make of it. I can't tell if it's worse or better than skyfall. Spectre felt like it was going nowhere. Nothing really clever moves the plot forward with instead just Bond globetrotting around the world with action thrown in for the hell of it.
As for the
Action was very ho hum. I miss CR's choreograph.
Oh, and was wearing a polo shirt and some kind linen pants. I loved it.
Edit-waltz was forgettable.
I really don't know what to make of it. I can't tell if it's worse or better than skyfall. Spectre felt like it was going nowhere. Nothing really clever moves the plot forward with instead just Bond globetrotting around the world with action thrown in for the hell of it.
As for the
connection between the other bond films, I loved and hated it, but as I've mentioned, my favorite part was the hidden room in lamerican. Bond seeing the interrogation video titled vesper was great. Bond has developed since CR to not fall in love or don't get too attached, but there was that look on his face of a bit sadness. I loved it.
Action was very ho hum. I miss CR's choreograph.
Oh, and was wearing a polo shirt and some kind linen pants. I loved it.
Edit-waltz was forgettable.
Have you seen Die Another Day?
I guess...die...a...nother day...
Sigmund Freud, analyze this.
C'mon dude the Madonna dominatrix fencing instructor scene? I enjoy DaD for what it is but don't pretend it's a good or defensible movie. I saw xXx instead of DaD on opening weekend and had no regrets. That really says it all.
I thoroughly enjoy the first half of DaD. The opening, Bond being captured, his "rescue", being essentially disavowed and having to go rouge, that fencing fight scene between him and the villain. It's only when the major plot gets going that things start to get too wacky and falls part to me.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Anyone have an idea what kind of pants bond is wearing with his TF polo? Maybe my google skills suck.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm gonna put my full thoughts in the spoiler thread in a few minutes, but definitely mixed feelings. It's the lowest of Craig's Bond films, but there's some good stuff there, buried under the world's dumbest twist.
southerncross
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DAD is insanely enjoyable in that "I can't believe they actually went there" way. Korean henchman with diamonds in his face trying to change his DNA in a special facility so he can look like British lord's servant, surfing on tsunami, "friendly" fencing duel, Sigmund Freud, analyze this. Yeah, it's like a terrible B-movie, but it has energy to spare and that alone makes it much more fun than joyless SPECTRE.
Agreed. For all my issues with Skyfall, killing her off before she asked to leave the role will remain the single most unforgivable Bond moment as far as I'm concerned. She has elevated every film she's been in and they seem desperate to want to achieve the same thing with Fiennes but he's just not interesting as a character at all.
The hell you on about? Not sure where you got that from.
Judi Dench made it clear she had to leave the role. She's going blind in real life to the point where she can no longer read scripts.
It was her decision for Skyfall to be the last, even before the script was locked.
Hmm, this is contrary to what I'd heard. I'll have a read up on it (I knew she had some health issues, but thought that she'd said she felt she could continue).
Messofanego
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A silly creative memorable setpiece, like other Bond films. What does Spectre have to make itself stand out? That's right, fucking nothing.Have you seen Die Another Day?
Very unimpressed with this film.
Just got back from seeing it, so the disappointment is still fresh :/
-Belluci's role was non-existent, despite all the pre-release hype.
-The sex-driven encounters with the women in this film felt random and completely unwarranted; it totally took me out of the moment when both those scenes happened.
-The relationship with those women weren't developed or convincing at all.
-Villain was a let down;
-Waltz's character was really badly developed.
-Cliche everywhere, and none of it was endearing or well-executed.
-Audio was a disaster, what with all those obnoxious swells during dramatic moments and the blaring trumpets.
-A shockingly underwhelming ending that only further cemented the bitter disappointment this film fostered in me.
The opening credit sequence was brilliant, I loved the imagery and the theme was fantastic.
Just got back from seeing it, so the disappointment is still fresh :/
-Belluci's role was non-existent, despite all the pre-release hype.
-The sex-driven encounters with the women in this film felt random and completely unwarranted; it totally took me out of the moment when both those scenes happened.
-The relationship with those women weren't developed or convincing at all.
-Villain was a let down;
all that supposed plotting/destruction over the course of the previous films was because his father did a good deed and took care of an orphan for a brief period of time many years ago???
-Cliche everywhere, and none of it was endearing or well-executed.
-Audio was a disaster, what with all those obnoxious swells during dramatic moments and the blaring trumpets.
-A shockingly underwhelming ending that only further cemented the bitter disappointment this film fostered in me.
The opening credit sequence was brilliant, I loved the imagery and the theme was fantastic.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The opener in Mexico City was phenomenal. Atmosphere, action, style, tension, amazing.
But then the rest of the film happened.
Lea Seydoux though, goddamn. What a woman.
I liked the Mexico scene only up until the helicopter sequence, in which he proceeds to terrorize the entire district by attempting to kick out the fucking pilot of a careening helicopter.
It was so damn stupid :/
It's one of my fav scenes in the whole movie, lol.
After all the hubbub about Idris Elba being a Bond in the future and that not panning out. I sorta wished they had rewritten this movie to make him a different 00 and have a guear apperance in some manner that lasted for 30-45minutes of the movie.
I really liked that idea of making Pierce Brosnon a super Villian ex-00 turned bad guy.
A shame Spectre was so terrible and plain and flat out faking that torture scene having no impact.
Edit: ZOMG yes, those action scenes the music was way to loud and obnoxious.
I really liked that idea of making Pierce Brosnon a super Villian ex-00 turned bad guy.
A shame Spectre was so terrible and plain and flat out faking that torture scene having no impact.
Edit: ZOMG yes, those action scenes the music was way to loud and obnoxious.
WadiumArcadium
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The opening scene, the plane chase and the train fight all come to mind.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I really liked the mouse-scene. One of the few times we get to see Bond as himself when noone else is watching. There are so few scenes with Bond just being.
lol, I see we're already in full revisionist mode now...
Can't wait until The Force Awakens comes out and dissatisfied fans start going on about, "Well, at least the prequels actually tried something new!"
The hype around Belluci was only ever about her age.
Can't wait until The Force Awakens comes out and dissatisfied fans start going on about, "Well, at least the prequels actually tried something new!"
The hype around Belluci was only ever about her age.
I can almost guarantee you that this will be the case.
Have you seen Die Another Day?
Wow never saw this! This looks amazingly ridiculous! I love it!
Do you have anything specific? I'm looking around and all I can find are articles about how upset she was when she heard they were killing the character off, like this.
Messofanego
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All have been done in Bond before. And they were just plain unremarkable here. Even the Mexico opening, the impressive part of it isn't the action (i.e. the helicopter) but the crane camerawork leading up to it.
I'm pretty sure there was a moment where the plane was still airborne despite losing both it's wings. That scene lasted like a minute or so as well
If by awful you mean "full of awe", then your right.
walnutthewise
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I'm hoping to see this with my wife on Friday, and want to make sure my expectations are checked. Overwhelming response seems negative with a few good bits sprinkled here or there.
I'm a huge fan of Connery, early Brosnan, and all of Craig's films. For me, Quantum of Solace is essentially the second half of a story that started in Casino Royale. It literally picks up right after and if you treat it this way, its much more enjoyable. So...is Spectre just a bad Bond in general, or a bad bond compared to what we've been used to with Craig so far?
I thought the end of Skyfall set things up so that all the elements of the regular Bond formula were present. After skyfall, I expected the next film would go back to some great familiar territory. We'd get a big action scene to start, then back to M in his office, giving Bond a mission, some flirting with Moneypenny, then off to the mission. Are people railing against a formulaic Bond being back?
I'm a huge fan of Connery, early Brosnan, and all of Craig's films. For me, Quantum of Solace is essentially the second half of a story that started in Casino Royale. It literally picks up right after and if you treat it this way, its much more enjoyable. So...is Spectre just a bad Bond in general, or a bad bond compared to what we've been used to with Craig so far?
I thought the end of Skyfall set things up so that all the elements of the regular Bond formula were present. After skyfall, I expected the next film would go back to some great familiar territory. We'd get a big action scene to start, then back to M in his office, giving Bond a mission, some flirting with Moneypenny, then off to the mission. Are people railing against a formulaic Bond being back?
Ignatz Mouse
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So, good news bad news...
Bond Formula isn't really back. This one has a story more akin to CR/QoS than Skyfall. So that's good news.
Bad news is that the plot itself has some sloppiness-- at least one major transition makes no sense at all (missing or rewritten scene?) and a lot of headscratchers is general. Also, the dialogue is pretty bad for a Bond film. There's a huge mess of wasted potential as well.
Overall I left satisfied, but the criticisms (if not their magnitude) are mostly accurate.
Fancy Clown
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The opening scene I would go so far as to say was bad, the plane chase was ok but lacked tension, and the train fight was done much much better in From Russia With Love.
Hoytema can't shoot action, and Mendes doesn't seem to know how to direct it here (although Skyfall had pretty great action so maybe he was just burnt out).
walnutthewise
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Thanks for the info. I think managed expectations will help when we see it!
It's not funny. It doesn't look like him....but I was in the cinema with my partner and halfway through I thought Craigs performance reminded me of someone but I couldn't place it. Towards the finale i realised what it was
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I giggled to myself. I told my gf. She frowned at me. Best part of the movie for me.
I giggled to myself. I told my gf. She frowned at me. Best part of the movie for me.
Completely agree. That last section made the film quite enjoyable for me.
Oh wow I must have this blocked from my memory. Was this the one where he skates around ice against a green jaguar?Have you seen Die Another Day?
Same thoughts here. That helicopter portion was super dumb and ruined the tension of that opening for me.
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