Earthstrike
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Feels like a political power play. Fire up the crazies and tea party base to increase support for the more radical elements of the republican party, marginally affecting the republican primary process.
The spike in gun purchases over the next few days will be absolutely insane. Anything he does enact as an executive order will do next to nothing to stop gun violence though. America will always have mass shootings. Even if they put a 100% ban on all guns it's impossible to enforce and with the amount of guns already out in the population there's always going to be a way to get one illegally.
The spike in gun purchases over the next few days will be absolutely insane. Anything he does enact as an executive order will do next to nothing to stop gun violence though. America will always have mass shootings. Even if they put a 100% ban on all guns it's impossible to enforce and with the amount of guns already out in the population there's always going to be a way to get one illegally.
Probably should have waited until after the debates for the Presidency. This is only going to help the blowhard Trump. I can just hear him now saying "Obama/democrats are coming for your guns. I can tell you, this isn't going to happen with me. The 2nd amendment is very important to me."
isn't that akin to saying you can make any choices as long as they are these?
I mean, I don't like guns, never held one, have no interest of owning one, but it just doesn't seem like a good way to do it. From an outside perspective, it almost seems knee-jerk.
An executive order? Isn't that excessive?
https://youtu.be/JUDSeb2zHQ0
Like, I am not close minded on gun control laws and such, that would be stupid, but it as an executive order doesn't sit well with me.
Who's history? History is created. He'll be remembered like a liberal Reagan, but the right will certainly continue to vilify him for years to come.
While I am absolutely in favor of tighter gun control, I am not in favor of executive action on this front. Regardless of how mundane this executive order is, it plays rigtpht into the hands of the NRA and basically confirms (at least in the minds of the gun rights activists) that Obama is trying to unilaterally take away their guns (even if in reality, this is simply improving background checks).
Trump giving us a Dem White House + a Dem Congress (through 2018) + a left-leaning SCOTUS (for at least a decade or two) would make a lot of good possible.Some things are more important than politics.
Also, Trump as the nominee would all but guarantee a Dem presidency and maybe even a congress if the margins are big enough. It's too late to undo the damage Trump has done so we may as well do the best with a bad situation.
The right wing media is gonna go nuts about this.
Trump giving us a Dem White House + a Dem Congress (through 2018) + a left-leaning SCOTUS (for at least a decade or two) would make a lot of good possible.
Wouldn't closing the gun show loophole kinda screw Hillary? That was one of her campaign promises.
The right wing media is gonna go nuts about this.
Isn't the "gun show loophole" just the fact that people tend to have make private transactions at these outside of the gunshow when they're not licensed dealers. But people can make private transactions without a background check any place. You can sell your neighbor a gun, or you brother, or whatever without doing a background check (in most states)
Trump giving us a Dem White House + a Dem Congress (through 2018) + a left-leaning SCOTUS (for at least a decade or two) would make a lot of good possible.
There are more insane people in the USA than there are sane, sadly.Why would any sane person object to this? He's not taking your toys away.
Thanks Obama for an extra christmas bonus, my stock investments in Smith and Wesson (SWHC) and Ruger (RGR) have more than doubled this year alone, I'd expect the panic buying from the news of this report to double it again in the next 3 months.
I could go buy some new guns with the extra money!
An executive order? Isn't that excessive?
https://youtu.be/JUDSeb2zHQ0
Like, I am not close minded on gun control laws and such, that would be stupid, but it as an executive order doesn't sit well with me.
That's pretty surprising given all the attacks lately. I suppose you can't change the mentality of people when the culture has been ingrained since the constitution was written
Some things are more important than politics.
Also, Trump as the nominee would all but guarantee a Dem presidency and maybe even a congress if the margins are big enough. It's too late to undo the damage Trump has done so we may as well do the best with a bad situation.
Trump giving us a Dem White House + a Dem Congress (through 2018) + a left-leaning SCOTUS (for at least a decade or two) would make a lot of good possible.
It really would.
The right wing media is gonna go nuts about this.
Obama could issue an executive order that puts at minimum one gun into every household and right wing media would just contort it to Obama supplying domestic terrorists with weapons because some of those households happened to belong to persons of color.
Would we really get a Dem congress? I'm not huge into politics so why are people assuming that it will happen?
It's possible. There's a lot of republicans who are more centrist saying they'll vote Clinton if he runs and another group that just won't vote. If trump running suppresses the GOP vote but bolsters the DEM vote then it's possible. Though probably still really difficult. If trump runs 3rd party there's an argument to be made that this will actually increase GOP turnout and likely be bad for DEMS down ticket even though it would ensure a Hillary win.
Presidents should have more powers IMO. Executive Order ahead.
Gun show loophole is stupid.
Selling weapons online is stupid.
Not having photo ID or background checks is stupid.
Heck, buying a car is more complicated than buying a gun
I really don't understand why even idiots who are pro gun want sales to be unregulated, it's almost as if they want dodgy criminals and psychos to have guns just so they've got an excuse to use theirs in "self defence"
In their minds any step towards gun regulation leads to all out gun bans or basically make it impossible to buy or own a gun.
You say they should have more power.
But if Trump were president you would probably not say that. Executive orders bypass our natural legislation process, don't they?
I agree with Obama's executive orders. But just because I do, does that actually make them right? They bypass our system, don't they?
You say they should have more power.
But if Trump were president you would probably not say that. Executive orders bypass our natural legislation process, don't they?
I agree with Obama's executive orders. But just because I do, does that actually make them right? They bypass our system, don't they?
What about illegal guns though?
These decisions Obama makes would be much more popular if there was a way he can somehow crack down on illegal guns (I know he can't, I know no president probably could, just wishful thinking)
There should be a written mental test for each new gun owners.
You say they should have more power.
But if Trump were president you would probably not say that. Executive orders bypass our natural legislation process, don't they?
I agree with Obama's executive orders. But just because I do, does that actually make them right? They bypass our system, don't they?
Barack Obama could take a shit and the right wing media would go nuts about it.
It'd be hilarious if he defined gun-hoarders as being mentally ill and therefore unable to pass a background check to buy more guns.
Ironically, if they already own a bunch of guns, why would they care?
Does it really matter if they can't buy another pistol to go with their ak-47 collection?