Earthstrike
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Feels like a political power play. Fire up the crazies and tea party base to increase support for the more radical elements of the republican party, marginally affecting the republican primary process.
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President Barack Obama preparing to issue Executive Order on gun control
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shortsFortallPeople
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If the options are
-do something and hope that it could turn out well even if it wont and
-do nothing, put your fingers into your ears and go lalalalalala while things continue as they are
then i'll always go with the former over the latter. The later doesn't do anyone any good.
Halcyon
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Isn't the "gun show loophole" just the fact that people tend to have make private transactions at these outside of the gunshow when they're not licensed dealers. But people can make private transactions without a background check any place. You can sell your neighbor a gun, or you brother, or whatever without doing a background check (in most states)
frankie_baby
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I really don't understand why even idiots who are pro gun want sales to be unregulated, it's almost as if they want dodgy criminals and psychos to have guns just so they've got an excuse to use theirs in "self defence"
RPGCrazied
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Probably should have waited until after the debates for the Presidency. This is only going to help the blowhard Trump. I can just hear him now saying "Obama/democrats are coming for your guns. I can tell you, this isn't going to happen with me. The 2nd amendment is very important to me."
JordanN
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It's really gross there's a "do nothing about it" argument.
It's what enables people to go shoot up a school because to them "it was always going to happen". Something can be done, even if it means waiting 50 years to see the result.
Some things are more important than politics.
Also, Trump as the nominee would all but guarantee a Dem presidency and maybe even a congress if the margins are big enough. It's too late to undo the damage Trump has done so we may as well do the best with a bad situation.
Sho_Nuff82
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Am executive order can be overturned by the next president (as early as January 2017) or overturned by the Supreme Court in a legal challenge. The only people who can't do shit about it are Congress. If he knows Congress will not pass any gun legislation at all, this is the only recourse. Which has the added risk of tanking the election for the incumbent party if America thinks it's a terrible law.
Notably, the Supreme Court has only twice ever overturned an executive order in the last 200+ years.
When the NRA (read: gun manufacturers, or less than 5% of all gun owners) completely own a political party (Republicans), sometimes you have to take drastic measures.
Most people would agree that gun show loopholes and background checks not being universal are things that could be fixed without infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners. Therefore, common-sense solutions that our government could provide in this case are being held up by special interests.
I interpreted the post your responding to as how he'll be viewed in 100 years or more. Long enough for people to be divorced from the emotion of the times.
Fenderputty
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Meh ... congresses inaction caused this. Most people who own guns are fine with closing the loophole and improving checks. Including this one.
The NRA and right wing will be fierce though.
Trump giving us a Dem White House + a Dem Congress (through 2018) + a left-leaning SCOTUS (for at least a decade or two) would make a lot of good possible.
Ninja Scooter
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Barack Obama could take a shit and the right wing media would go nuts about it.
Would we really get a Dem congress? I'm not huge into politics so why are people assuming that it will happen?
Fenderputty
Banned
She can run on continuing to uphold the order.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
It's gonna be great.
Yeah, It would just be a ban on undocumented private sales. "Gun show loophole" is good branding to make people think it's something nefarious. It is already illegal to sell someone a gun if you have reason to believe they are not legally allowed to own one (hard to prove you knew though).
It really would.
There are more insane people in the USA than there are sane, sadly.
Don't want to say youre a bad person. But what the fuck.
SuperBanana
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The vast majority of Americans support extra gun control, including republican voters and the senate blocks any gun bill even ones designed to stop suspected terrorists on watch lists and violent mentally ill people from obtaining weapons. Hell, if they even came up with a new idea or boosted funding for mental health which they constantly blame for mass shootings then maybe you can look past it but in the same day as they blocked a gun control bill they passed another defunding health care.
Expanded background checks should have happened a long time ago. I can't imagine the courts would overturn this.
More like people are being educated about what an "assault weapons" ban would actually do and realize that it's a complete waste of time.
More like people are being educated about what an "assault weapons" ban would actually do and realize that it's a complete waste of time.
RPGCrazied
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Now that would make America great again. I really hope that will end up happening. I hope Trump just destroys the GOP. They deserve it at this point.
NoblesseOblige
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Obama could issue an executive order that puts at minimum one gun into every household and right wing media would just contort it to Obama supplying domestic terrorists with weapons because some of those households happened to belong to persons of color.
Omegasquash
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They despise him no matter what he does.
Black Republican
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There should be a written mental test for each new gun owners.
Fenderputty
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It's possible. There's a lot of republicans who are more centrist saying they'll vote Clinton if he runs and another group that just won't vote. If trump running suppresses the GOP vote but bolsters the DEM vote then it's possible. Though probably still really difficult. If trump runs 3rd party there's an argument to be made that this will actually increase GOP turnout and likely be bad for DEMS down ticket even though it would ensure a Hillary win.
Omegasquash
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That makes sense. Depressing sense, but sense nevertheless.
You say they should have more power.
But if Trump were president you would probably not say that. Executive orders bypass our natural legislation process, don't they?
I agree with Obama's executive orders. But just because I do, does that actually make them right? They bypass our system, don't they?
In their minds any step towards gun regulation leads to all out gun bans or basically make it impossible to buy or own a gun.
Neuromancer
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Closing the gun show loophole is a great first step.
EatinOlives
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Fuck the NRA and fuck the gun nuts. They can continue to live in their fantasyland where Emperor Obama is secretly taking their guns away. In the meantime I'll be glad that at the least the bare-minimum is being done to protect the population.
JordanN
Banned
Ironically, if they already own a bunch of guns, why would they care?
Does it really matter if they can't buy another pistol to go with their ak-47 collection?
So then what is the point of an executive order and under what conditions should they be used? I mean with that line of thinking, shouldn't EVERYTHING just get debated by Congress?
Sho_Nuff82
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Obama has issued less executive orders per year than the last 21 American presidents. It is one of the more ridiculous criticisms of his presidency.
>80% of mass shootings are done with legally purchased firearms.
It should be the same as the driving test at the very minimum.
They don't. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how they work. He cannot make new law, all he can do is futz with how federal agencies enforce current law.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Executive Actions aren't worth shit, especially this late in a president's term. It's hard to enforce them because they aren't law, and future presidents are likely to toss them out the window.
gutter_trash
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heck, he gets flack for pronouncing Iran as Iran instead of saying ''Eye-ran''
Dubya's pronunciations have changed the way people pronounce ''Eye-rack'', ''Nucular'' forever
Sho_Nuff82
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The president doesn't get to make laws about defining mental illness.
Because the government could make it harder or riskier for them to just hand off their gun collection to their family or keep it. If they force every gun owner to get on a list the jig is up for them. Then we could do things like tax them more, etc.
I mean there is some logic to it but at the end of the day it's the "I got mine, screw everyone else" mentality. The best is that when it comes to gun legislation it's the only time that people (usually white) can get away with threatening Cop's lives. They "dare" the police to come after their guns and society says "well that's an acceptable reaction". But don't let BLM protest, that creates "anti Cop mentality" that puts their lives at risk, lol.
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