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Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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Wowfunhappy
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Everybody has a right to be upset over the crap that was GFWL, but realistically speaking, I don't think that's a good predictor for what will happen to the Windows Store.
GFWL was a low-priority service being developed by one division of Microsoft. The Windows Store is a super high priority for the entire company, and they've been putting as much weight behind it as they possibly can. Whether the store will ultimately succeed is anyone's guess, but Microsoft isn't going to abandon it at any point in the near future.
GFWL was a low-priority service being developed by one division of Microsoft. The Windows Store is a super high priority for the entire company, and they've been putting as much weight behind it as they possibly can. Whether the store will ultimately succeed is anyone's guess, but Microsoft isn't going to abandon it at any point in the near future.
I see the points that people made and they make sense and i figured it would be MS store exclusive but I did not expect this big a thread. Why not post all your complaints on their "Please-complain-here" page. I'm sure that (and the sales probably not living up to their expectations) will give them a push.
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/282539-xbox-on-windows-10. They even have a section for the pc feedback already
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/282539-xbox-on-windows-10. They even have a section for the pc feedback already
If there's one thing Xbox has excelled at this generation, it is listening to feedback and implementing suitable changes.
I wonder how many that take issue with this have actually used the feedback website.
It's really the past year or so for the whole company. Every since Satya took over.
True, Windows 10 Preview existed because they saw how well it worked out for Xbox One Preview. Maybe those on the Windows 10 Preview builds can use the Feedback Assistant to submit Durante's list as well.
GHG
Gold Member
I couldn't give a shit either way at the moment because I'm not buying this game or anything else from their store as long as things are in their current state.
If they removed all the shitty restrictions then I'd be there day one
from the Ukrainian store.
Pathfinder
Member
In all seriousness, what do you all think the chances are of them listening to complaints about Windows 10 Store games (stated repeatedly) and resolving the shortcomings and issues?
And, for those who say they won't purchase the game with current Windows 10 store restrictions, would you consider purchasing the game if they can make it function like a proper Windows executable?
And, for those who say they won't purchase the game with current Windows 10 store restrictions, would you consider purchasing the game if they can make it function like a proper Windows executable?
I think the chances are high they resolve most of them except enabling modding. I know others feel strongly about that one, but I feel pretty strongly that I don't want to play with those people online ever.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I think this only works if you assume that they don't know people would prefer the game to be available on Steam. The reality is that they know but don't care because their emphasis is not on users or on maximizing software sales, it's on building the W10 app store.
Hamster Plugin
Member
Yes. I would buy the game (if it's €60 which is insane, I would wait for a sale) if they would make it work like other games on my system, as a proper executable.
I don't mind Origin, and ever since Ubisoft fixed Uplay I don't mind that either. This new Windows 10 app shit can just go away, though.
You can't really resolve most of them without enabling modding.
texhnolyze
Banned
Accepting the gimped WinStore version PC games is like accepting the bad PC ports from KT. "It's better than no PC ports at all."
But honestly, I hope Microsoft can fix that shit in the future and let PC gamers tinker their games as usual.
Apparently, I heard that the Ukrainian store trick is already been fixed.
Can anyone confirm this?
But honestly, I hope Microsoft can fix that shit in the future and let PC gamers tinker their games as usual.
Apparently, I heard that the Ukrainian store trick is already been fixed.
Can anyone confirm this?
If they enable code injection there will be cheaters, you can't have one without the other.
Well, seems like there's cheat table for Tomb Raider, so memory is not protected and there will be cheaters.
You know, if you guys would quit quoting obviously stupid posts, when we deleted them or the user deleted them -- as in this case -- they'd be gone. We don't need you to quote every dumb post someone makes. It just makes more work for moderators to clean up.
That's my stance in this. I don't want the games tied to a Microsoft service at all.
Auto-Reply
Member
They've reacted to the media fallout around the launch of the XB1, that was more of a RROD situation than consumer feedback adjustment.
Microsoft is a huge company, the masterplan for their business direction is handed down from the top. Disagreeing with fundamental parts of the plan is not even considered to be feedback and probably wont even reach anyone that is in power to change anything and if it does they are not willing to change this because they had meetings on that already and decided to do it like that.
That's only my guess of course but I'd rather just ignore that store until it goes away by itself in a few years or becomes a strange part of Windows I will never use rather than trying the official Microsoft route and waste my time telling them that I don't like how they handle their stuff.
I bet there are Microsoft employees that have seen this coming and even they disagree with some of it and would've handled things different if they were in charge, but they are just a cog in the wheel.
What?
They can easily patch in SLI support, Fraps/RTSS, full-screen support, allow V-sync to be disabled...
Of course the injector/mod stuff was designed on purpose, but the above was clearly an oversight. Why would they want to purposefully disable those things?
Auto-Reply
Member
I'm only talking about user control over the program, of course they can patch in what they deem relevant, but that's ultimatively the crux of it and the important thing of it all. I don't see reason to celebrate when they start handing out VIP passes inside their exclusive club. That is not a solution to the problems this brings!
But the was always going to happen. One Windows for all types and forms of platforms with Continuity/Continuum between them always calls for UWA, does it not?
Can Continuum be achieved without a universal file standard?
Is this a joke post or what? Rtss and fraps or most things that draw an overlay require hooking/injecting to do so.
...or they could build their own monitoring tool in the Xbox app?
GhostTrick
Banned
That probably falls closer to the modding tree than the performance monitoring one.
Auto-Reply
Member
That's probably what Microsoft thinks, I want no part of that.
GhostTrick
Banned
So... Instead of Microsoft acknowledging they are wrong, we have to hope they make decent tools now.
Where did you get that from? Are you confusing my argument with someone else's?
From what we're seeing right now, I think UWA is still in a very fragile position. It's very possible it could flop and get discarded a few years from now just like GFWL, but perhaps on a larger scale outside just video games.
I've been using Windows 10 for the past couple months have have found no use for the Windows Store at all. If I was using it on an HTPC I might consider using the Netflix and YouTube apps. Maybe some mobile ports of games if they work with the Xbox One controller (is Microsoft planning to make them playable on the Xbox One?), but right now there are only a handful that look interesting. That's the problem: developers aren't supporting the Windows Store. Almost none of the apps I use on iOS can be found there. The desktop apps I regularly use are also almost all absent from the Windows Store, and if they weren't I wouldn't see any reason not to just install the desktop versions like I've already been doing. For a store that's been a part of the system since Windows 8 that's pretty terrible if you ask me.
This whole UWA thing has potential I admit, but the execution in my opinion just isn't there. Surface seems to be doing alright from what I can tell but that's about it. I still think Microsoft could very well abandon all the other stuff it's been trying and just move on like it has before. Even Xbox itself isn't completely invulnerable to this.
And Xinput.
I've been using Windows 10 for the past couple months have have found no use for the Windows Store at all. If I was using it on an HTPC I might consider using the Netflix and YouTube apps. Maybe some mobile ports of games if they work with the Xbox One controller (is Microsoft planning to make them playable on the Xbox One?), but right now there are only a handful that look interesting. That's the problem: developers aren't supporting the Windows Store. Almost none of the apps I use on iOS can be found there. The desktop apps I regularly use are also almost all absent from the Windows Store, and if they weren't I wouldn't see any reason not to just install the desktop versions like I've already been doing. For a store that's been a part of the system since Windows 8 that's pretty terrible if you ask me.
This whole UWA thing has potential I admit, but the execution in my opinion just isn't there. Surface seems to be doing alright from what I can tell but that's about it. I still think Microsoft could very well abandon all the other stuff it's been trying and just move on like it has before. Even Xbox itself isn't completely invulnerable to this.
And Xinput.
Bitch Pudding
Member
If I'd really, REALLY like to play the game I'd buy it anyhow. In any other case I'd wait until they fix this shit. Right now, I think I might give Forza Horizon and Quantum Break a chance, but I don't believe I could be bothered to buy anything else from their store, not with a far more convenient Steam library as a substitute.
*every* company has a history of ditching shit when it isn't going their way. That's just good business - they aren't running a charity.
MS just has a lot more things not go their way than other companies
oh, okay, so the problem was just that GFWL was low priority
got it
priorities never change at corporations, especially at Microsoft, so we're definitely set for life.
Seriously, did you forget that Games for Windows was actually high priority until it was rejected wholesale by the PC player base? Remember how they did stuff like put out high profile franchises like Halo, Gears of War, etc. on PC? Remember how they launched it as a paid service just like Xbox Live, nobody bought in, and then they made it free and the release schedule magically dried up?
GhostTrick
Banned
People loves their history revisionism.
Gfwl was a niche. It never mattered. Lol.
The reality is GFWL is the same as the store. It wzs Microsoft shoehorning LIVE service to PC. They had a first chance and tried to make people pay for online. They even had cross platform games such as Shadowrun or bringing Xbox exclusives such as Gears of War with exclusive content. Major publishers used GFWL and AAA games used it. They were given a second chance when they dropped online play. They wasted that chance when killing gfwl and dropping the service out and killing the downloads.
GFWL wasnt a low priority or a niche. It became one when Microsoft stopped caring.
biglittleps
Member
Company's learn from their mistakes just like Sony did with PS3-PS4, so you can expect positive things from MS this time as they screwed up last time and now they are realizing what they have lost after seeing steam and other services success on their platform. So they are trying to unify everything under one roof and make Windows as a service for everything by building their store using their Xbox exclusives which was never intended to be released outside xbox.
wapplew
Member
What if unify everything under one roof is a mistake?
biglittleps
Member
It depends on their efforts in making that best for consumers, but unifying is always best for instance if you take a look at Apple.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
I want the games on PC, but...
well don't buy them and just imagine they never came to pc. That way there is no difference to yesterday!
wapplew
Member
There is a reason Apple doesn't use iOS for PC or use OSX for Ipad, or Google doesn't use Andriod for their Laptop.
Unifying device with same input is great and successful, unifying everything regardless of input and form factor? Maybe MS can pull it off, but there isn't any super successful case.
Pantaghana
Member
I will admit that out of all game clients I've used, Steam gave me the most problems
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because I actually use it to experience those problems
Wowfunhappy
Member
If people complained "I hate the Windows Store, release Quantum Break on Steam," yeah, that would probably get ignored.
I could see them allowing greater control/modification of UWA apps though. There's really no good reason for making them so locked down for the end user (aside from some vague "security" mantra that doesn't really make sense)
GhostTrick
Banned
Even without said limitations, they wont get a dollar from me. Yes, I'm on the "No steam, no buy" on that one. But not for platform loyalty or anything. But because after the GFWL farce, they shouldnt have a 3rd chance. The way they handled it was a farce and the irony here is that only the people who bought their GFWL games on other services have access to it.
The UWA limitations is the icing on the cake.
They didn't learn shit. If they indeed learned they would make it so that people could download their games from GFWL again. They shouldn't ever fucking be trusted again until they fix this shit.
Even a indie company that is effectively dead for 5 years now manages to give access to the games people bought from them. MS has no excuses.
GhostTrick
Banned
This. Heck, it already show as they just launched a new service and people expect us to "give it time" to include basic features. This isnt 2003 anymore.
Microsoft didnt go under. They didnt suffer from a huge loss of money. They have no excuse for GFWL.
GhostTrick
Banned
Win Store is WORSE than GFWL on a lot of matter already. First, games are exclusive to Win 10 Store when GFWL games also had a Steam release even from Microsoft. Second, feature wise, it's acting like a smartphone app. Third, no access to files.
I never thought I'd say that, but I prefered GFWL.
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