If there's one thing Xbox has excelled at this generation, it is listening to feedback and implementing suitable changes.I see the points that people made and they make sense and i figured it would be MS store exclusive but I did not expect this big a thread. Why not post all your complaints on their "Please-complain-here" page. I'm sure that (and the sales probably not living up to their expectations) will give them a push.
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/282539-xbox-on-windows-10. They even have a section for the pc feedback already
If there's one thing Xbox has excelled at this generation, it is listening to feedback and implementing suitable changes.
I wonder how many that take issue with this have actually used the feedback website.
True, Windows 10 Preview existed because they saw how well it worked out for Xbox One Preview. Maybe those on the Windows 10 Preview builds can use the Feedback Assistant to submit Durante's list as well.It's really the past year or so for the whole company. Every since Satya took over.
so you rather not have it on pc?
In all seriousness, what do you all think the chances are of them listening to complaints about Windows 10 Store games (stated repeatedly) and resolving the shortcomings and issues?
I see the points that people made and they make sense and i figured it would be MS store exclusive but I did not expect this big a thread. Why not post all your complaints on their "Please-complain-here" page. I'm sure that (and the sales probably not living up to their expectations) will give them a push.
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/282539-xbox-on-windows-10. They even have a section for the pc feedback already
In all seriousness, what do you all think the chances are of them listening to complaints about Windows 10 Store games (stated repeatedly) and resolving the shortcomings and issues?
And, for those who say they won't purchase the game with current Windows 10 store restrictions, would you consider purchasing the game if they can make it function like a proper Windows executable?
I think the chances are high they resolve most of them except enabling modding. I know others feel strongly about that one, but I feel pretty strongly that I don't want to play with those people online ever.
I couldn't give a shit either way at the moment because I'm not buying this game or anything else from their store as long as things are in their current state.
If they removed all the shitty restrictions then I'd be there day onefrom the Ukrainian store.
I think the chances are high they resolve most of them except enabling modding. I know others feel strongly about that one, but I feel pretty strongly that I don't want to play with those people online ever.
If they enable code injection there will be cheaters, you can't have one without the other.
Get this shit out of here.
Kinda speechless, really.
classy
I see what you are getting at, but that's a bit distasteful.
I think this only works if you assume that they don't know people would prefer the game to be available on Steam. The reality is that they know but don't care because their emphasis is not on users or on maximizing software sales, it's on building the W10 app store.
If there's one thing Xbox has excelled at this generation, it is listening to feedback and implementing suitable changes.
I wonder how many that take issue with this have actually used the feedback website.
What?They've reacted to the media fallout around the launch of the XB1, that was more of a RROD situation than consumer feedback adjustment.
Microsoft is a huge company, the masterplan for their business direction is handed down from the top. Disagreeing with fundamental parts of the plan is not even considered to be feedback and probably wont even reach anyone that is in power to change anything and if it does they are not willing to change this because they had meetings on that already and decided to do it like that.
That's only my guess of course but I'd rather just ignore that store until it goes away by itself in a few years or becomes a strange part of Windows I will never use rather than trying the official Microsoft route and waste my time telling them that I don't like how they handle their stuff.
I bet there are Microsoft employees that have seen this coming and even they disagree with some of it and would've handled things different if they were in charge, but they are just a cog in the wheel.
What?
They can easily patch in SLI support, Fraps/RTSS, full-screen support, allow V-sync to be disabled...
Of course the injector/mod stuff was designed on purpose, but the above was clearly an oversight. Why would they want to purposefully disable those things?
But the was always going to happen. One Windows for all types and forms of platforms with Continuity/Continuum between them always calls for UWA, does it not?I'm only talking about user control over the program, of course they can patch in what they deem relevant, but that's ultimatively the crux of it and the important thing of it all. I don't see reason to celebrate when they start handing out VIP passes inside their exclusive club. That is not a solution to the problems this brings!
What?
They can easily patch in SLI support, Fraps/RTSS, full-screen support, allow V-sync to be disabled...
Of course the injector/mod stuff was designed on purpose, but the above was clearly an oversight. Why would they want to purposefully disable those things?
...or they could build their own monitoring tool in the Xbox app?Is this a joke post or what? Rtss and fraps or most things that draw an overlay require hooking/injecting to do so.
...or they could build their own monitoring tool in the Xbox app?
That probably falls closer to the modding tree than the performance monitoring one.What about ReShade ?
That's probably what Microsoft thinks, I want no part of that.But the was always going to happen. One Windows for all types and forms of platforms with Continuity/Continuum between them always calls for UWA, does it not?
Can Continuum be achieved without a universal file standard?
That probably falls closer to the modding tree than the performance monitoring one.
Where did you get that from? Are you confusing my argument with someone else's?So... Instead of Microsoft acknowledging they are wrong, we have to hope they make decent tools now.
DirectX 10,11,12
Windows 7,8,10
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Basically a lot of infrastructure for gaming and game devs.
In all seriousness, what do you all think the chances are of them listening to complaints about Windows 10 Store games (stated repeatedly) and resolving the shortcomings and issues?
And, for those who say they won't purchase the game with current Windows 10 store restrictions, would you consider purchasing the game if they can make it function like a proper Windows executable?
Yes I do think it will happen again. Microsoft has a long rich history of ditching shit when it aint going the way they want it and screw those that bought into the program. Just because the windows store is "built in" to windows does not remove Microsofts ability to say "fuck it lets try something else because the store isn't meeting our targets".
As for giving it "a chance" seriously how many chances are PC gamers meant to give Microsoft ? Everything you said was posted about the god awful GFWL when it was first spawned on us. We had the same shit from people then going "give it a chance" and "this time it will be different" and "Microsoft is totally committed to PC gaming now with this new client". Yeah we all know what happened with that.
You want to give Microsoft another chance then that is up to you but personally I think Microsoft can take their pathetic attempt at creating a walled garden on the PC and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
oh, okay, so the problem was just that GFWL was low priorityEverybody has a right to be upset over the crap that was GFWL, but realistically speaking, I don't think that's a good predictor for what will happen to the Windows Store.
GFWL was a low-priority service being developed by one division of Microsoft. The Windows Store is a super high priority for the entire company, and they've been putting as much weight behind it as they possibly can. Whether the store will ultimately succeed is anyone's guess, but Microsoft isn't going to abandon it at any point in the near future.
oh, okay, so the problem was just that GFWL was low priority
got it
priorities never change at corporations, especially at Microsoft, so we're definitely set for life.
Seriously, did you forget that Games for Windows was actually high priority until it was rejected wholesale by the PC player base? Remember how they did stuff like put out high profile franchises like Halo, Gears of War, etc. on PC? Remember how they launched it as a paid service just like Xbox Live, nobody bought in, and then they made it free and the release schedule magically dried up?
oh, okay, so the problem was just that GFWL was low priority
got it
priorities never change at corporations, especially at Microsoft, so we're definitely set for life.
Seriously, did you forget that Games for Windows was actually high priority until it was rejected wholesale by the PC player base? Remember how they did stuff like put out high profile franchises like Halo, Gears of War, etc. on PC? Remember how they launched it as a paid service just like Xbox Live, nobody bought in, and then they made it free and the release schedule magically dried up?
Company's learn from their mistakes just like Sony did with PS3-PS4, so you can expect positive things from MS this time as they screwed up last time and now they are realizing what they have lost after seeing steam and other services success on their platform. Now they are trying to unify everything under one roof and make Windows as a service for everything and trying to build their store using their Xbox exclusives which was never intended to be released outside xbox.
What if unify everything under one roof is a mistake?
I want the games on PC, but...
It depends on their efforts in making best for consumers, but unifying is always best for instance if you take a look at Apple.
I think this only works if you assume that they don't know people would prefer the game to be available on Steam. The reality is that they know but don't care because their emphasis is not on users or on maximizing software sales, it's on building the W10 app store.
I'm not 100% against buying something on the Win10 store, but with all the limitations it has, I'm willing to pay less than usual for a game. This means I'll get QB or KI only after strong discounts. If you want me to pay more, give me more value.
Company's learn from their mistakes just like Sony did with PS3-PS4, so you can expect positive things from MS this time as they screwed up last time and now they are realizing what they have lost after seeing steam and other services success on their platform. So they are trying to unify everything under one roof and make Windows as a service for everything by building their store using their Xbox exclusives which was never intended to be released outside xbox.
They didn't learn shit. If they indeed learned they would make it so that people could download their games from GFWL again. They shouldn't ever fucking be trusted again until they fix this shit.
You would think they working something so Win Store already up to basic standard with they selling ROTR there
but lol