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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part

Kawl_USC

Member
Maybe I'll have more luck this way - Blarg, did you&yours happen to check TimeFlux last night?
We've already said, and it has been pointed out to you like 3 times, that no we didn't. Why does it feel like a continuous struggle to get ideas across to you?
 

Karkador

Banned
We've already said, and it has been pointed out to you like 3 times, that no we didn't. Why does it feel like a continuous struggle to get ideas across to you?

Well, apologies for not catching things, as the thread moves fast, and I've got work to do.

Time/Flux was, as I presumed, the target you'd go for tonight. Considering your vote history for D1, I could also make some guesses about who you looked at.

Keep in mind that just giving us a result (or a result of a result) doesn't really clear you or anything.
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
Well, apologies for not catching things, as the thread moves fast, and I've got work to do.

Time/Flux was, as I presumed, the target you'd go for tonight. Considering your vote history for D1, I could also make some guesses about who you looked at.

Keep in mind that just giving us a result (or a result of a result) doesn't really clear you or anything.

You EXPLICITLY acknowledged it here:

I'm sorry, I'm confused again:

What I'm trying to say is, If Blarg/Kawl DID target Time/Flu, but saw nothing, then their story gains credibility

Ah, I see. Welp, then...I dunno what to make of TimeFlux's backpedal.

Your whole thing this game has been acting obtuse, twisting the arguments of others and "forgetting" what other people have said to drive your own narrative. You prolong discussion points that should be over with relatively quickly, hammering the point to make it revolve around one thing instead of naturally having the discussion move onto something else.
 
Maybe I'll have more luck this way - Blarg, did you&yours happen to check TimeFlux last night?

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Karkador

Banned
You EXPLICITLY acknowledged it here:





Your whole thing this game has been acting obtuse, twisting the arguments of others and "forgetting" what other people have said to drive your own narrative. You prolong discussion points that should be over with relatively quickly, hammering the point to make it revolve around one thing instead of naturally having the discussion move onto something else.


Mmm, being lectured on rehashing statements from the guy who keeps rehashing past games to make a point.
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
Mmm, being lectured on rehashing statements from the guy who keeps rehashing past games to make a point.

Indeed, because it's valid. Though I'm doing that less after Never Forever called me out on it.

But this isn't only about lecturing. It's also about thinking you're intentionally obscuring the discussion.
 

Coppanuva

Member
Wait a second, let me get this straight here: are you saying a calm and calculated end of day is better than a chaotic, unpredictable one?

I'd like to point something out here that Flame didn't mention, and that's that a calm end can be ok as long as it's settled into later in the day. I'm always against choosing a lynch target within the first few hours of a day (or the phase before) unless there's extremely solid evidence linking them as the scum. It makes any questioning the rest of the phase against people other than them extremely ineffective, and as a result throws away the only tool we have as town.
 

Karkador

Banned
Dear Blarg and Kawl,

We know you tracked us, because we tracked you. Actually, we have had some questions for you since Day1, but, you know; "ignore Blarg the first day", and all that.

Signed,

-The Other Trackers
 

Karkador

Banned
You know, we felt extremely skeptical when you claimed "Miller Tracker", because WE'RE the Trackers on this team.

But you know what would pass for a Miller Tracker? A scum tracker, of course.
 

Karkador

Banned
That's precisely what happened. We figured Tracking the "Tracker" would give us the best ability to confirm the claim, and they went right after us.
 

Coppanuva

Member
Well... today has certainly been much more interesting than I thought. Kark, care to explain why you didn't push harder for a Blawl lynch D1?
 

Karkador

Banned
Well... today has certainly been much more interesting than I thought. Kark, care to explain why you didn't push harder for a Blawl lynch D1?

We needed to make it to N1. It was possible for Blarg to flip his claim. The best we could do was leave our vote on them, despite all the madness going on near the end of the day. A Tracker seeing another player claiming Tracker is immediately a "WTF" moment
 

MagnumBoy20xx

Neo Member
Hey MagnumBoy, my vote is still on you! What do you think of this new revelation?
I would have responded sooner, but I was watching WWE Fastlane. (I didn't want to miss the AJ Styles match!)

After catching up, I don't like it one bit. Flux claims that he made the claim specifically to try to get them lynched,but Time said that he response to the claim was because he was trying NOT to get lynched.

This claim deserves to be in Ace Attorney Mafia, because it's a giant contradiction!

I do think that it seems very scummy, but with the new claim by kark...well I think that we should let this stuff play itself out first.
 
Well... today has certainly been much more interesting than I thought. Kark, care to explain why you didn't push harder for a Blawl lynch D1?

We knew we wanted to stay out of the dogpile at the end of the day, so we went in on them early, rationalized our vote, and then stuck to our guns. Day 1 last hour is insane, and usually just gets people in trouble.

It's why I was most concerned with the "alignment" portion of blarg/kawl's claim. Because we knew it was bullshit and wanted to see how they could handle it.
 

Karkador

Banned
because I could easily accuse you of being that too.

Who's to know?

Sweet child, we didn't make the boneheaded move of throwing our PR identity away on the first day, nor did we claim "Miller". You're trying to pass off as not-scum. We waited in the shadows and made it through N1 to this moment.
 

kingkitty

Member
VOTE: kingkitty

kittycat you missed all the day 1 end shenanigans, comment on them. There was some good stuff there. Give us your opinion.

no fuck u

jk

Day 1 ended in a very predictable, chaotic gaf way. although i thought there was a pretty good chance my boat would sink based on the original votes. but that didn't happen, and for that i am happy.

ultraboojay got too close to self destruction. the whole self-voting thing does give me pause in wanting to feed their bodies to the blood god. but you also can't discard the idea that scum wouldn't pull the "woe is me" maneuver, especially if they have an ability that might trigger upon death. also self-voting is just poop. pure poop.

kinda a bummer neverforever asked for a turbo (especially when around that moments votes between leader nevertim and neverboo was just a diff of 3. just gives scum an easy excuse to vote and say "well it was asked for!".

ok now i refresh and i see some good shit
 

Karkador

Banned
The problem for you is that you were in the predicament of being handed a typically-Town role as a scum player. So you had to claim Miller to do a Townie's job while flying under the radar.
 
Is there a way that both of you could confirm each other's roles and that you visited each other? Or am I just going to believe it?

So... someone here is scum or this game is going crazy!

Our role name is eleven words long, we use binoculars, and there's just one more thing with our role...
 

Flame_AC

Member
So, now what, do we lynch one of them? Both?

Blarg/Kawl, did you visit Kark during the night?

If so, I'm inclined to believe Kark in this situation and lynch Blarg/Kawl first as the miller claim makes them look worse than Kark in this situation.
 

Karkador

Banned
Look, no matter what, if we didn't claim today, we risked dying on N2. If Blarg and Kawl are scum, they already knew (without us saying anything) that we were a power role.

They would have never had to reveal our identity at all, just let mafia make the kill at night.
 
Blarg's initial reaction seems to confirm Kark more than the opposite

My only reserve is that if Blarg had 5 people (assuming 3 pairs, seems good for now) tell him to stop, would he still do it? Blarg's D1 play wasn't smart by any measure whatsoever
 

Flame_AC

Member
Our role name is eleven words long, we use binoculars, and there's just one more thing with our role...

I was more thinking of like what the tracking result PM says since I would think the two pairs have different names, if Blarg/Kawl really is a miller.

I won't press on the one more thing, but does it apply in this situation or is it just something unrelated?
 
So, now what, do we lynch one of them? Both?

Blarg/Kawl, did you visit Kark during the night?

If so, I'm inclined to believe Kark in this situation and lynch Blarg/Kawl first as the miller claim makes them look worse than Kark in this situation.

It doesn't matter which of us you lynch first a 1:1 town for scum swap ALWAYS benefits town
 

Flame_AC

Member
Blarg's initial reaction seems to confirm Kark more than the opposite

My only reserve is that if Blarg had 5 people (assuming 3 pairs, seems good for now) tell him to stop, would he still do it? Blarg's D1 play wasn't smart by any measure whatsoever

But if they are millers, then they had to claim, did they not? Supposedly that is the rule for millers. (Though I policy lynch.)

It doesn't matter which of us you lynch first a 1:1 town for scum swap ALWAYS benefits town

I suppose, but it'd be nice to keep the town player alive and not lose the power role and still kill scum.
 
I was more thinking of like what the tracking result PM says since I would think the two pairs have different names, if Blarg/Kawl really is a miller.

I won't press on the one more thing, but does it apply in this situation or is it just something unrelated?

Our results returned team members not roles, so we knew exactly who you are our targets visited.

The one thing more does not matter at all in this matter.
 

Flame_AC

Member
For now, the evidence is against you Blarg/Kawl.

Vote: Blargonaut

Remember everybody, still don't want to end the day early.

Miller Tracker vs Town Tracker = Scum Tracker vs Town Tracker ?
 

kingkitty

Member
flux...as others have said, that was not a perfect day 1

faking a cop claim, and then maybe lead to a day 1 death, which isn't very helpful for town

hyper may have expected disappointment, but i still held out for something interesting. but no, instead it ends like Mass Effect 3. it was pointless. or it's scum timeflux trying to cover their butts. but....this seems too stupid/pointless for scum.

and now Karkendoor is roleclaiming tracker, and saying Blargkawl are in fact scum trackers. if these allegations are correct, it was a bold plan by the pretty boldish blargkawl boat. and it makes it hard for me to think both timeflux and blargkawl are on the same team here...but that's not something i'm going to stick hard to yet.
 

Flame_AC

Member
Quick question Kark/Zip, why were you advocating a Flux policy lynch at the beginning of today when you had this in your back pocket?
 

Karkador

Banned
Keep in mind, Blarg and Kawl had to come out of N1 knowing that we targeted them, but unsure of what we were (only knowing that whatever it was, they survived).

So I'd do some things to gauge their response. They were careful not to out us, but at the same time, outing us could completely backfire on them if we were Cops or something.

The safe play for a scum player would be to leave us alone, and look innocent when we turn up dead the next day.
 
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