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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (4)
Karkador .1889
Zippedpinhead .1892
Flame_AC .1893
Hyperactivity .1895

FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (2)
Gorlak .1699
Camjo-Z .1846

Hyperactivity & kingkitty (1)
cabot .1670

*Splinter & cabot (1)
LaunchpadMcQ .1764

Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (1)
Giant Panda .1637 .1640
Giant Panda .1640
UltraJay .1688 .1695

batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Flame_AC .1745 .1893

El Topo & Giant Panda (0)
cabot .1625 .1663


No active vote for Day 2:
*Splinter
batsnacks
Blargonaut
Boo Boo'n
Coppanuva
Dusk Soldier
El Topo
FluxWaveZ
Karu
Kawl_USC
kingkitty
Kyanrute
MagnumBoy20xx
Retroid
Sophia
Timeaisis
TL21xx
Ty4on
UltraJay (has previously voted)



Day 2 ends:
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15 votes for majority
 

Flame_AC

Member
I wanted to know if he actually did check anyone, and I also wanted to beat him up a bit to gauge BlargKawl's reaction

Just for future reference, after today, what do you think about keeping Flux/Time around for awhile. Or do you still think they need to eventually go?

Stepping out until tomorrow evening, see y'all then!
 

Coppanuva

Member
I'd like to point something out here that Flame didn't mention, and that's that a calm end can be ok as long as it's settled into later in the day. I'm always against choosing a lynch target within the first few hours of a day (or the phase before) unless there's extremely solid evidence linking them as the scum. It makes any questioning the rest of the phase against people other than them extremely ineffective, and as a result throws away the only tool we have as town.

...I can see this post was clearly too late to be listened to. Fuck it, I'm questioning people this day phase anyhow. Anyone who doesn't answer me is a prime suspect in subsequent days.

We knew we wanted to stay out of the dogpile at the end of the day, so we went in on them early, rationalized our vote, and then stuck to our guns. Day 1 last hour is insane, and usually just gets people in trouble.

It's why I was most concerned with the "alignment" portion of blarg/kawl's claim. Because we knew it was bullshit and wanted to see how they could handle it.

Make sense (this goes to you and Kark's responses to my post). I can see the logic in this. I'm willing to let you four(?) hash this out. I have people to question, opinions to gather early on.

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Vote: Timeaisis

Now that you've removed your mask (or at least taken to hiding behind a different one), what's your gameplan going forward? D1 you didn't seem to post too much by memory, and now you've spent the first of D2 explaining yourself and urging us not to turbo and to spend the day hunting scum (which I agree with, yay!). I'm curious what your general approach is to be here given that so far your team has been all bark and very little bite. General strategies or plans are fine, I just want to hear how you'll contribute.
 

Karkador

Banned
Just for future reference, after today, what do you think about keeping Flux/Time around for awhile. Or do you still think they need to eventually go?

Stepping out until tomorrow evening, see y'all then!

It probably wouldn't hurt Town one way or another.
 

Camjo-Z

Member
Is it possible that Flux/Time are also maf and were planning to clear Blarg/Kawl today, only to be forced to retract their claim after Kark/Zip tracked Blawl? Or is that giving them too much credit?
 

kingkitty

Member
seems pretty simple tho no?

kill klarg = scum

if klarg flip non-scum, skin karkadaoor

starting chain lynches could be a lil dum, but it seems hard to believe town would have two trackers.

if blargkawl indeed flips as a tracker (but as town aligned), seems like the only prudent thing for town to do next is throw kark's body into the volcano.

other things:

no one died. which is fantastic. as said by others, it could be a lucky move by the doctors, or the doctors ignored flux and did save that boat. and somehow scum thought it was a good idea to attack flux. doctors could have also successfully saved the millers (although based on allegations, the blargs could flip as scum).

maybe scum attacked a boat who could withstand at least one attack (although someone said it's unlikely because NeverTim had a similar role). could be a role blocker.

i don't believe in the idea that scum would willingly not attack for a night phase. it doesn't help them at all.
 

Coppanuva

Member
Oh also! Welcome Dusk Soldier! I don't think anyone has said that yet. I would like to hear from you by the end of the phase at least. I'm willing to give you time to catch up, but please share any opinions about things that stuck out during D1 we might've skipped.
 

Timeaisis

Member
Well, then.

I had my suspicion of Blawl yesterday. It was my biggest suspicion, actually. Regarding Kark's reveal, it really makes sense for them to claim Miller Tracker as scum. They knew they could get outed as Mafia, but were still wanted to claim tracker (which I assume they actually are), so they cleverly invented the role of Miller Tracker.

Of course, they could really actually be Miller Tracker and Kark could be lying out of his ass. I lean towards Blawl because of the D1 claim. It has always felt odd to me.

In response to Coppa, today I want to dig in to some people. The first obvious pairs to look at are Blawl and Karkerpinhead. One of them is very likely lying. Where we go from there I'm not sure, but I sure as hell don't want to turbo anyone, as I mentioned earlier.

Blawl...I'm curious, do you confirm you tracked Kark/Zipped last night? If so, what did you find?
 

Retroid

Member
Interesting turn, Blarg/Kawl is probably the best vote for today, but I don't think a turbo is in order at this point. Will plan to vote for them if nothing else arises.
 
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Sweet child, we didn't make the boneheaded move of throwing our PR identity away on the first day, nor did we claim "Miller".

Old man, if you hadn't noticed, after we saw you staring back at us we were content to leave you the hell alone Today; and then you use that against us as a #scumtell? For keeping you a dirty secret for your own good? Who threw their PR away, now? Because we at least did it for a valid reason given our status as Millers, whatever "you" are; it was essentially preemptive, in benevolent caution as is expected of such. You can decry us for it, yet you seem content and even proud to flash yourself out when you perceive blood to be spilled, without any thought for self-preservation, and there is even precedence in evidence for your particular predilection. More like Shark-adore.

But, I don't think you process anything that far ahead. Maybe, since we were already underway, you should have allowed us to take the continual Nightly heat for you (and yes, despite being one of the far-fetched options due to our popularity as a controversial conversation piece, Team BLAWL having been defended from attack is one more potential explanation for the no-kill last Night that should not be discarded), but thanks for putting yourself, the "Real Town Tracker™" in the real Double Jeopardy now.

Great Town move, that.

Pay attention this time, because on behalf of the masses I am tired of re-iterating what is accepted common practice for those of our persuasion.

Standard Miller operating procedure dictates an early open-door policy so as to foster maximal trust and prevent the wasted application of an investigator's Nightly power-use at a later date, including the subsequent unfortunately resultant TURBO Day lynching of us at that time.

We did not withhold the fact that We're The Millers per this rule-set, and understand that it was our prerogative that our Tracker sub-class be made known to you all similarly ASAP in support of those same exact reasons.

Real Millers don't leave shit up their ass to shit out later for an escape rope.

You're trying to pass off as not-scum. We waited in the shadows and made it through N1 to this moment.

Yes, again, that's the fucking caveat of being a Miller, dual-class not-withstanding, natural instinct as a player not-withstanding. If we had solely stated ourselves to be as Millers and had elected to omit that Tracker detail from our oh-so succinct debut, as you personally profess we should have; it would have be seen as a subtraction, not addition, upon reveal to our already tentative credibility after-the-initial-claim-fact in the highly likely event we had to come 'fully clean' in future due to increased scrutiny of our persons as naturally befits those of the Miller persuasion late-game. Which you are accelerating us towards.

This reaction truth is regardless of any investigation; name-based, alignment-based or otherwise. Players do not react well to what they would perceive as conjured hand-waves against their suspicions in the form of claimed pro-Town abilities, especially when the claimant is in immediate danger without such. It is by this reasoning we did so.

Again.

And there's your plan, I see? Jump out and push to vote your "fellow" Tracker role out, when we've so affirmed each other as relevant powers?

Did you honestly think that confirming what we first said, could be used against us? We opened that entrance. You only fumbled through while your sidekick giggled as he was told, and think you can sue us for perceived damages. No. I will not allow our discretion Today to be made into accusation by you.

You chose to hang all-out here. Indeed, you might as well, now, and so will we, further; so tell me, what's your Role Name, Team Zippador? Since Timeflux Namecop apparently isn't a factor anymore. What will you lose now? Maybe you should let your prize Chatot Zipped (POKEDEX: 'Chatot, the Music Note Pokemon. It hears words and then mimics them.') answer that for a change, I think he needs to stretch after all that carrying, especially in such a cramped ball...s.

As for us,

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Team BLAWL are the 'Best Friends'. The magnificent Blargonaut x Kawl_USC, and you can stick that in your collective canon. Or will you all ship us out like you did last gen's OTP?

And, Kark, is that what you were alluding to, with calling us "chums"? I don't know how a mere Tracker would know that, if so.

To paraphrase the Role flavour; we're kids whose parents have been lifelong friends from before we were even born. They always tease us about how we're going to grow up and get married since our families were so close; but, being kids, we still think love is "icky" and "disgusting", and hate it when they do that. Hence, why we appear Loveless when investigated. We're still young and we just think of being friends.

Our tracking ability is unlimited. It is flavourless and unjustified in its bounty in all except probable balance for our host-applied handicap. Hell, if you survive long enough to repeatedly check us out (but you clearly won't, since you're smart like that) by whatever meagre x-shots you have left, if you survive past shriveling and miraculously reload your telescopic cannon for forever and ever, you'll see we never stop. Never. Perhaps, if you were able to Track past your limited capability now, you'd see that we'd have cared for your future. But you're famous for it now, and we're oh-so beneath you.

As an aside, since we've mutually confirmed that we are both relatively safe, un-retaliatory visits unlike the facing of 'Thorns Aura' that Timeflux nurtured for themselves D1, both our doors are open henceforth; and, with that comes mutual danger, as you must see now. Danger that may be mitigated, together.

Yet, we all know you despise the presence of kids anyway, Kark, so continue with your separatist agenda if you feel you must. Meanwhile, I'll be sleeping, and when I wake up, I'll be on the deck of a Town Battleship prototype in light of you and your lackey's piteous visage(s) and their revelation. I told you, I don't hold grudges; there is only the Plan. Expect cooperation—

VOTE: FluxWaveZ

—As is required of our Elite 4.


brb, naptime
 
Team BLAWL are the 'Best Friends'. The magnificent Blargonaut x Kawl_USC, and you can stick that in your collective canon. Or will you all ship us out like you did last gen's OTP?

That doesn't sound like a pair of lovers lol.

Blarg is definitely shifting his tone compared to other game and confrontations. Call it a hunch, but this reminds me of Cthulhu Blarg more than anything else, where Blarg was confronted with the truth and tried to divert. He's being more personal, more suspicious of any person who votes him, etc. Doesn't seem to really want to do much other than that though.

He also did nothing to persuade me, giving reasons why a miller would claim, and a crappy reason why the tracker claim would come out at the same time too, but not even trying to address the question as to why he couldn't be a scum tracker

My vote stands
 

UltraJay

Member
—As is required of our Elite 4.

You are required? To get lynches? Like, that's your win condition?




Let's entertain that you are town and hid your tracker status. Build up some results and then reveal them hopefully not dying at night in the process. But, oh no! Everyone now wants to lynch you because you said your were a miller on D1. Now your claiming a role? So? Get lynched. When you flip town, all your results will be proven valid. Your death will prove useful to town.


Now, in this situation you're in, it seems like you are trying to drive the narrative that both you and Karkhead are both town and you are afraid that you flipping town will result in Kark's lynch and another town death. So you go for Flux.

I'm not certain I buy that. What is this game? A scale of 5? Don't know how likely there are to be a duplicate role on the same side with one being millers as a way to trip up and screw town over.

In Final Fantasy I was Golbez, a tragic villain, that was a miller doctor. But that game was run by Scrafty and she thought a setup like that was ducking hilarious. Dunno how Burtbeting usually sets up games. That's as far as the meta I'm going into for now.
 

*Splinter

Member
1. Flux is terrible, but anyone still trying to lynch him is more terrible.

2. Flame is terrible (again). I don't like the way he was posing questions early in this phase, felt like he was actively avoiding taking any stances. On the flip side Coppa has been slightly more town than yesterday.

3. Kark was starting to seem terrible, his questioning of Flux was really pointless in places, however his role claim seems to change things.

4. It seems obvious that we have to lynch Blarg today, Miller-tracker obviously goes before vanilla-tracker. I could also read Kark's "as per strat guide I'm ignoring Blarg" comment as a breadcrumb. HOWEVER I'd still like a full name claim from Kark. I can't see any reason not to and we should have all the info before making a decision.
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
Heh, amusing.

Two trackers, if true, doesn't mean that they're on opposing teams, though. Would like to hear if Karkador's team has some limitation put in place to their tracking ability. Blarg claims his team's tracking is unlimited with the Miller role balancing that out.

VOTE: Ty4on

Continuing on my suspicion during D1. I'll write something more substantive later.
 

*Splinter

Member
Heh, amusing.

Two trackers, if true, doesn't mean that they're on opposing teams, though. Would like to hear if Karkador's team has some limitation put in place to their tracking ability. Blarg claims his team's tracking is unlimited with the Miller role balancing that out.

VOTE: Ty4on

Continuing on my suspicion during D1. I'll write something more substantive later.
Don't you start

Kark is X-shot
 
hmph

That doesn't sound like a pair of lovers lol.

Millers.

Blarg is definitely shifting his tone compared to other game and confrontations. Call it a hunch, but this reminds me of Cthulhu Blarg more than anything else, where Blarg was confronted with the truth and tried to divert. He's being more personal, more suspicious of any person who votes him, etc. Doesn't seem to really want to do much other than that though.

Yes, I am trying to divert. That was the Flux vote at the end, you must have noticed. I am trying to divert this baseless accusation of being a scum Tracker solely based on our Miller state, away, right into the fucking abyssal depths. Because it has no grounds in actual evidence besides Kark's guts and his parrot's squawking, and all of his allegations filed against us are just as easily applicable to them as well.

I am trying to rightfully divert your attention to a pair who have claimed to be 'Role Name Cops', then Today confessed to being huge-ass liars and who are now getting away with it because Timeflux put on a tear-jerking show of honesty that you are all somehow buying premium tickets for? Are you serious?

If they're really Ordinaries and truly wanted to be helping Town power roles survive, they would have stuck to their guns and maintained their ruse.

Also, I sincerely don't appreciate the abundantly rampant use of play-history to peck at veteran players, that has been going on in this game since D1. These are not #scumtells. There are no original play-styles anymore.

He also did nothing to persuade me, giving reasons why a miller would claim,

Have you seen Kark lately?

I felt it entirely necessary to reiterate. I like to be transparent like that.

and a crappy reason why the tracker claim would come out at the same time too, but not even trying to address the question as to why he couldn't be a scum tracker

My vote stands

Just like there has been nothing that has affirmed us (and there likely never will be besides a lynching), there is nothing that has occurred as of yet to prove that Karkador x Zippedpinhead themsevles are NOT the scum Tracker they accuse us of being.

You only look one-way. Have you even considered that us being the Miller Tracker is indeed Town's "single" tracker as Kark claims is '5'-scale balance-appropriate because clearly he made this game and Burbeting didn't, and that Zippador could be the scum Tracker, and that he is trying to sink us despite us having afforded him the greatest of discretion?

We are an easy target, and have been since D1. Karkador is taking advantage of our standard-procedure claim, against us.

Come on, boy. Endless speech about how you are the honest tracker and Kark/Zipped try to steal your show.

It's called replying in my own defense, Meow. You have been a parasite since I ever first encountered you in the wild, and if you have anything beyond attempting to utilize my natural verbosity and tasteful vocabulary to incriminate me, then fucking try already

Sign up to play Mafia

Than you randomly vote Flux for whatever reason...

2. Oh, I'm sorry. Look above.

Have you considered that Flux and Time have been feigning because they aren't an actual pair, but part of the lustful Loveless orgy happening out-of-sight here?

You are required? To get lynches? Like, that's your win condition?

...uh, no? I was dramatically foreshadowing my plan with my referencing.

Let's entertain that you are town and hid your tracker status. Build up some results and then reveal them hopefully not dying at night in the process. But, oh no! Everyone now wants to lynch you because you said your were a miller on D1. Now your claiming a role? So? Get lynched. When you flip town, all your results will be proven valid. Your death will prove useful to town.


Now, in this situation you're in, it seems like you are trying to drive the narrative that both you and Karkhead are both town and you are afraid that you flipping town will result in Kark's lynch and another town death. So you go for Flux.

I'm not certain I buy that. What is this game? A scale of 5? Don't know how likely there are to be a duplicate role on the same side with one being millers as a way to trip up and screw town over.

In Final Fantasy I was Golbez, a tragic villain, that was a miller doctor. But that game was run by Scrafty and she thought a setup like that was ducking hilarious. Dunno how Burtbeting usually sets up games. That's as far as the meta I'm going into for now.

Yes. See above.
 

cabot

Member
You've stated two times you don't believe in a sk. Now you are keen for anyone to corroborate your idea. You even asked Coppa to repeat sth. he said already. There is no benefit in assuming anything right now.
There should be even less incentive for you to convince others a SK does not exist, what exactly do we gain if we all forget about a SK?

I'm catching up with the rest of the thread, but in response to this it would stop a load of pointless speculation about a SK.

Thankfully I'm up until Kark's claim, so it doesn't seem to have happened.
 

cabot

Member
Heh, amusing.

Two trackers, if true, doesn't mean that they're on opposing teams, though. Would like to hear if Karkador's team has some limitation put in place to their tracking ability. Blarg claims his team's tracking is unlimited with the Miller role balancing that out.

VOTE: Ty4on

Continuing on my suspicion during D1. I'll write something more substantive later.

Don't agree. One side having two trackers seems farfetched. I can easily see trackers being on both sides though.

The Miller-tracker combination was always a little confusing, with the evidence available to me.

Unfortunately, due to the Miller claim, Blawl will take precedence over Kark, who I mostly town read up until now.
 

Gorlak

Banned
I'm juggling the thought of lynching Flux for his horrible play. Seriously that was awful. I want you dead.

If we let both claimed trackers survive, what is the worst case?
Both won't have the same alignment. Scum won't kill the town tracker, unless the second one is a neutral, in that case you should reveal yourselves - because if one tracker pair ends up dead tonight, the other is a goner.
In case they both survive, they will have to reveal information. That could lead to more outed PRs, which is bad. On the other hand they can't make up shit all the time and will get contradicted at some point?
But we let one semi-confirmed scum pair survive on purpose, which is really bad... :(

I don't know what to do.

Either Blawl or Karzip is lying. One is probably a watcher or another observing power, two trackers is lazy design and unlikely with only 15 roles.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I guess this also explains Kawl's non-presence on D1
While I take issue with saying I had a non-presence in the first place, any decrease in effort day 1 can be laid directly on your head, mister roles don't go out till N1 so hope you didn't keep up with an 80 page thread and put forth effort.

Sorry, not sorry.
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm juggling the thought of lynching Flux for his horrible play. Seriously that was awful. I want you dead.

If we let both claimed trackers survive, what is the worst case?
Both won't have the same alignment. Scum won't kill the town tracker, unless the second one is a neutral, in that case you should reveal yourselves - because if one tracker pair ends up dead tonight, the other is a goner.
In case they both survive, they will have to reveal information. That could lead to more outed PRs, which is bad. On the other hand they can't make up shit all the time and will get contradicted at some point?
But we let one semi-confirmed scum pair survive on purpose, which is really bad... :(

I don't know what to do.

Either Blawl or Karzip is lying. One is probably a watcher or another observing power, two trackers is lazy design and unlikely with only 15 roles.
Are you suggesting we let scum live so that we can policy lynch Flux for doing something you disagree with?

Flux claiming ordinary makes them expendable, and an easy target for policy lynching. Maybe I'm being played like a damn fiddle that makes me think he's town.

Meanwhile we have Kark and Blawl claiming the same role, meaning there is almost certainly scum in there
 

*Splinter

Member
Speaking of Flux, his play wasn't nearly as damaging as some people are trying to suggest. It gave us a jump start on D1, didn't out the real cop (which was the biggest risk) and as a bonus it may be responsible for 0 deaths N1.

It would have been worse if he was telling the truth, quite frankly.
 

Kyanrute

Member
What if the mystery of the night and this recent development are not isolated incidents, but instead continuation to one another? The night kill target was Blawl and the assailant was Karzip. Through the intervention of a third party, Blawl survives the attack, no night kill occurs and Blawl sees the face of the enemy. Mafia is confused when their night kill fails and once they see Blawl's threat, "the eyes in the darkness stared back", they choose to seize the argument by counterclaiming the very same role that Blawl had already claimed. They are not certain if they were seen (since Blawl did not reveal the name at the start) but since inaction could lead to their slow death if they were, they choose to be the active party. By doing this, they might also hope that the third party reveals themselves, absolving Blawl but revealing a power role in the trade.
 

*Splinter

Member
My vote for today will remain on Blarg (unless we approach turbo).

My other top suspects:

Gorpad - has a massive hate-boner for my sweet self. Actually wondering if this is a neutral lyncher.

Floppanuva - already mentioned that Flame's posts today seem to be avoiding taking a stance. Lots of questions asked but attributed to other players. Coppa has been better today but also had a very sketchy day one.

TLCam - Their votes yesterday stand out to me a little, but I can't draw any solid conclusions there until we get some more flips. Cam's posts today have been very off. Critisizing Flux' claim, blaming him for NeverTim's lynch. It seems more policy lynch than serious scum accusation. He's also been arguing for the cop to out himself, a terrible idea at this stage, but I can't tell if it's malicious or just playing to a different meta.
 

El Topo

Member
Speaking of Flux, his play wasn't nearly as damaging as some people are trying to suggest. It gave us a jump start on D1, didn't out the real cop (which was the biggest risk) and as a bonus it may be responsible for 0 deaths N1.

It's a horrid play, a posteriori justifying it is ludicrous.

It would have been worse if he was telling the truth, quite frankly.

Revealing to be the cop on Day 1 is the worst play possible for town.
 

*Splinter

Member
What if the mystery of the night and this recent development are not isolated incidents, but instead continuation to one another? The night kill target was Blawl and the assailant was Karzip. Through the intervention of a third party, Blawl survives the attack, no night kill occurs and Blawl sees the face of the enemy. Mafia is confused when their night kill fails and once they see Blawl's threat, "the eyes in the darkness stared back", they choose to seize the argument by counterclaiming the very same role that Blawl had already claimed. They are not certain if they were seen (since Blawl did not reveal the name at the start) but since inaction could lead to their slow death if they were, they choose to be the active party. By doing this, they might also hope that the third party reveals themselves, absolving Blawl but revealing a power role in the trade.
I was wondering this too, it's the only situation I can think of that would explain scum-Kark's play.
However it's too much of a long shot without the doctor revealing himself and I'm not sure if that's a good trade.
 

cabot

Member
It's a horrid play, a posteriori justifying it is ludicrous.



Revealing to be the cop on Day 1 is the worst play possible for town.

I can't help but feel this is the mafia equivalent on pulling your crush's pigtails.

Do you fancy TimeFlux, El Topo?
 

*Splinter

Member
I'd also like to admit that I completely fail to see how revealing their gambit on D2 is beneficial for town.
I'd agree on this point. Revealing their gambit seems to be more about self-preservation than anything else, especially claiming ordinary afterwards.
 

cabot

Member
Why? I explained on D1 why it makes no sense to lynch him on D2.

Why what?

There's not much to discuss by now. it's been done to death. I currently don't feel there's enough to warrant a vote on TimeFlux just now, and I'm growing tired of you always talking about them.
 

Kyanrute

Member
I was wondering this too, it's the only situation I can think of that would explain scum-Kark's play.
However it's too much of a long shot without the doctor revealing himself and I'm not sure if that's a good trade.

Yeah, the possibilities here would be tracer for tracker or tracker for doctor. This touches the matter of the night as well, because if Blawl wasn't the kill target, the kill went to a person whose identity only the doctor knows. But if the doctor can self-save, they could come out and save themselves next night. But if the doctor can self-save, a strongman would then fit very well into the mafia lineup. So they should not come out.

Seems complex to me compared to lynch Blawl, check their alignment and proceed from that.
 
What if the mystery of the night and this recent development are not isolated incidents, but instead continuation to one another? The night kill target was Blawl and the assailant was Karzip. Through the intervention of a third party, Blawl survives the attack, no night kill occurs and Blawl sees the face of the enemy. Mafia is confused when their night kill fails and once they see Blawl's threat, "the eyes in the darkness stared back", they choose to seize the argument by counterclaiming the very same role that Blawl had already claimed. They are not certain if they were seen (since Blawl did not reveal the name at the start) but since inaction could lead to their slow death if they were, they choose to be the active party. By doing this, they might also hope that the third party reveals themselves, absolving Blawl but revealing a power role in the trade.

Without the doctor coming into play, this would work the same way our current situation already implies. If kark is lying he will be killed, whether it be tonight or tomorrow

It also requires kark to somehow be aware of what happened to him, which if he was a scum tracker could happen

As far as I know though, blawl hasn't come out with the info from their night action, and while that may be to save another pr/night action, if it was kark or zipped he saw he probably would've come out with the information by now
 

Karkador

Banned
What if the mystery of the night and this recent development are not isolated incidents, but instead continuation to one another? The night kill target was Blawl and the assailant was Karzip. Through the intervention of a third party, Blawl survives the attack, no night kill occurs and Blawl sees the face of the enemy. Mafia is confused when their night kill fails and once they see Blawl's threat, "the eyes in the darkness stared back", they choose to seize the argument by counterclaiming the very same role that Blawl had already claimed. They are not certain if they were seen (since Blawl did not reveal the name at the start) but since inaction could lead to their slow death if they were, they choose to be the active party. By doing this, they might also hope that the third party reveals themselves, absolving Blawl but revealing a power role in the trade.

I can't say for sure that a killer and a doctor didn't target Blarg, but neither of those roles belong to us.

We are also aware that it might take a flip of our role to prove our point, but as Zipped pointed out, 1 Town PR for 1 scum isn't a bad deal. However, scum wouldn't give up one of their own to kill one PR.
 

El Topo

Member
Why what?

Why would he have to come out with the truth when there was no reason to lynch him on D2? If he is town (but not our cop), then it seems mafia took the bait and it would have made sense to continue the gambit.

There's not much to discuss by now. it's been done to death. I currently don't feel there's enough to warrant a vote on TimeFlux just now, and I'm growing tired of you always talking about them.

The only thing I'm growing tired of is your flip-flopping, cabot.

Day 1
cabot:"I believe Flux is the cop and there is no reason to lynch him today. Even if he is the cop, if he provides no information on D2 we will lynch them because their use to us is zero."
Day 2
cabot:"There is not enough to warrant a vote on Flux."
 

Karu

Member
Surely, saying we tracked someone and they didn't visit anyone is the easier cop out if we are lying? We can reveal the couple right now if everyone thinks we are blowing smoke, but I legit don't think its the right call. At least one couple right now should know we are telling the truth, which is the couple that visited us.
Well, because you couldn't just reveal who you tracked, because they have PR, is the cop-out I was refering to, but either way, since mine/yyour post "some" things happened, heh.

So, as I understand Miller/tracker should be killed before the ordinary Tracker, if we want to confirm/investigate this situation? Okay, seems reasonable by itself. But i'm still inclined to believe Bawl over Kark, so there's that. Not placing my Vote right now, it's still very early in the Day. For the protocoll: Would rather lean towards voting Kark-team right now, if it comes down between these two.

I want to see fluxtime dead. But I recognize that might not be the most sensible decision right now.
 

*Splinter

Member
Why would he have to come out with the truth when there was no reason to lynch him on D2? If he is town (but not our cop), then it seems mafia took the bait and it would have made sense to continue the gambit.



The only thing I'm growing tired of is your flip-flopping, cabot.

Day 1
cabot:"I believe Flux is the cop and there is no reason to lynch him today. Even if he is the cop, if he provides no information on D2 we will lynch them because their use to us is zero."
Day 2
cabot:"There is not enough to warrant a vote on Flux."
Your "quote" isn't even close to what his D1 post actually says...
 
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