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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (6)
Karkador .1889
Zippedpinhead .1892
Flame_AC .1893
Hyperactivity .1895
*Splinter .1919
batsnacks .1930

FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (4)
Gorlak .1699
Camjo-Z .1846
Coppanuva .1903
Blargonaut .1911

El Topo & Giant Panda (1)
cabot .1625 .1663
cabot .1941

*Splinter & cabot (1)
LaunchpadMcQ .1764

Sophia & Ty4on (1)
FluxWaveZ .1920

Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (1)
Giant Panda .1637 .1640
Giant Panda .1640
UltraJay .1688 .1695

Hyperactivity & kingkitty (0)
cabot .1670 .1941

batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Flame_AC .1745 .1893


No active vote for Day 2:
Boo Boo'n
Dusk Soldier
El Topo
Karu
Kawl_USC
kingkitty
Kyanrute
MagnumBoy20xx
Retroid
Sophia
Timeaisis
TL21xx
Ty4on
UltraJay (has previously voted)



Day 2 ends:

15 votes for majority

 

[Kyanrute]

Oh whoops, sorry, where did he do that again?

"Old man, if you hadn't noticed, after we saw you staring back at us we were content to leave you the hell alone Today; and then you use that against us as a #scumtell?" Start of #1911.

 

[cabot]

Why would he have to come out with the truth when there was no reason to lynch him on D2? If he is town (but not our cop), then it seems mafia took the bait and it would have made sense to continue the gambit.



The only thing I'm growing tired of is your flip-flopping, cabot.

Day 1
cabot:"I believe Flux is the cop and there is no reason to lynch him today. Even if he is the cop, if he provides no information on D2 we will lynch them because their use to us is zero."
Day 2
cabot:"There is not enough to warrant a vote on Flux."

Well, things happened in between Topo, you think I should hold the exact same opinion at all times regardless?

You forgot that they actually claimed ordinary today. I still don't see it as a scum play, knowing this.

Time will tell. Kark and Blawl are actively clashing and is much more likely to have scum in there.

 

[Kyanrute]

RE: Fluxaisis. Without knowing what kind of roles we have in play, the best way to confirm Fluxaisis is to lynch them. I don't think today is for that though.

 

[*Splinter]

Well, things happened in between Topo, you think I should hold the exact same opinion at all times regardless?

You forgot that they actually claimed ordinary today. I still don't see it as a scum play, knowing this.

Time will tell. Kark and Blawl are actively clashing and is much more likely to have scum in there.

but can we trust him tho?

 

[cabot]

but can we trust him tho?

I'm so glad you picked up on it, lover.

 

[El Topo]

Your "quote" isn't even close to what his D1 post actually says...

It's pretty much exactly what he says, albeit slightly paraphrased.

so option 2 will most likely be confirmed on D2, because frankly even if they are rolebocked and are the legit name cop, quite obviously we'll flip them because their use to us is zero at that point, and the flip would clear up all the noise of today.

He makes it clear that it is obvious for us to lynch TimeFlux if they provide no information for us, even if they are our cop, as they are of no use to us and it will "clear up all the noise" (of D1).

Here's my thinking for option 1 (which currently I believe)

Here he says that he believes in option 1, i.e. that they are our cop.

This gives you a better idea of why I don't want to kill TimeFlux today.

Here he again expresses his opinion that TimeFlux should not be lynched on D1.

 

[cabot]

Yes I believed they were our cop, and they shouldn't be lynched for it.


Yes I said I would flip them if they didnt produce results.


Then Kark claimed tracker and that warranted a flip between Blawl and Karkpinhead more than TimeFlux, who I still don't see as scum.

 

[batsnacks]

I think we have to lynch time/flux but I also think we have to lynch kawl/blarg today.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok.

In case anyone still has any doubts about Blawl and Kark both having a tracking ability, there was no good reason for Kark to take this risk and out himself by guessing that Blawl tracked him. They both have tracking abilities, but the extent is unclear. There seems to be a key difference between the two of them. I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here by assuming that Blawl is the scum in this situation - or that there is any scum at all. I believe the simplest answer in this case is probably true, but I want to make sure we’re not screwing the pooch here by putting two townies on the block - because we’re basically saying that if one of them flips town, the other is scum.

Kark, I have a question for you. What is your role name? Paraphrase your flavor for me, please.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

also, I don’t want to dismiss the third possibility - what if both of these players are lying? They supposedly tracked each other, but they could just be putting on a show to solidify the rep of the player we don’t end up lynching. It’s a risky play, yet the payoff could be huge. Imagine we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, and in our heads, we’ve cleared Kark for the rest of the game. I would be extremely wary of this possibility, especially if we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, but they are not trackers.

 

[Ty4on]

It gets dicey because this is a team effort (sorry about that, Time), but will you deny that CzarTim's team wasn't suspect? They got lynched for a reason, and I was obviously convinced something was up, which is why I decided that they should be lynched. If I was throwing in the towel, I'd self-vote or something like this was Heist again.

But like I'm saying right now—and I hope to hell I don't have to repeat this multiple times for you to comprehend it like people had to do for you on D1—I wasn't giving up, especially not with a teammate in tow (though I dunno how active they would have been, since Time was mostly in the shadows in Werewolf 2 and wanted to lay low here too). I was convinced that CzarTim's team were scum or at least a neutral, so obviously I wanted them dead because that's how I win.

Did you reflect more on this last night? Seems like an obvious topic of conversation last night.

 

[Hyperactivity]

also, I don’t want to dismiss the third possibility - what if both of these players are lying? They supposedly tracked each other, but they could just be putting on a show to solidify the rep of the player we don’t end up lynching. It’s a risky play, yet the payoff could be huge. Imagine we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, and in our heads, we’ve cleared Kark for the rest of the game. I would be extremely wary of this possibility, especially if we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, but they are not trackers.

And when scum, who likely have a way to circumvent a doctor, end up repeatedly leaving Kark alive? And if the doctor dies and Kark doesn't soon follow, etc. etc.? It'll end up killing two scum, looking at a total of maybe three or four pairs total

 

[Ty4on]

also, I don't want to dismiss the third possibility - what if both of these players are lying? They supposedly tracked each other, but they could just be putting on a show to solidify the rep of the player we don't end up lynching. It's a risky play, yet the payoff could be huge. Imagine we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, and in our heads, we've cleared Kark for the rest of the game. I would be extremely wary of this possibility, especially if we lynch Blawl, they flip scum, but they are not trackers.

Mhm. I agree with this assessment. It's pretty much confirmed that if both aren't scum and making an elaborate claim then both of them are trackers. While other claims are possible, they're too risky. If Karkhead is scum and tried to bait out the doctor then Blawl saying they didn't track Karkhead would put them in a pretty tough spot.

 

[Karkador]

Ok.

In case anyone still has any doubts about Blawl and Kark both having a tracking ability, there was no good reason for Kark to take this risk and out himself by guessing that Blawl tracked him. They both have tracking abilities, but the extent is unclear. There seems to be a key difference between the two of them. I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here by assuming that Blawl is the scum in this situation - or that there is any scum at all. I believe the simplest answer in this case is probably true, but I want to make sure we’re not screwing the pooch here by putting two townies on the block - because we’re basically saying that if one of them flips town, the other is scum.

Kark, I have a question for you. What is your role name? Paraphrase your flavor for me, please.

Zipped gave away enough details about our role, I think. (11 word rolename, 'Binoculars' being the command).

Paraphrase the flavor? We're apparently old perverts.

 

[El Topo]

And when scum, who likely have a way to circumvent a doctor, end up repeatedly leaving Kark alive? And if the doctor dies and Kark doesn't soon follow, etc. etc.? It'll end up killing two scum, looking at a total of maybe three or four pairs total

If scum had a way to circumvent a doctor, how come Flux survived the night? Mafia might have a role-blocker, but that begs the question of what went on during N1.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

And when scum, who likely have a way to circumvent a doctor, end up repeatedly leaving Kark alive? And if the doctor dies and Kark doesn't soon follow, etc. etc.? It'll end up killing two scum, looking at a total of maybe three or four pairs total

How long before we even start thinking that might be the case? And now that you've mentioned that we'll eventually come down on Kark if he's not killed within a few nights, who's to say mafia won't leave a town Kark alive if they know we'l lynch him?

I'm getting a bit cross eyed here, but there's a lot to consider before shipping Blarg off.

Mhm. I agree with this assessment. It's pretty much confirmed that if both aren't scum and making an elaborate claim then both of them are trackers. While other claims are possible, they're too risky. If Karkhead is scum and tried to bait out the doctor then Blawl saying they didn't track Karkhead would put them in a pretty tough spot.

Also, fourth possibility, they could both be telling the truth but their abilities are slightly different - different enough to coexist.

 

[El Topo]

And now that you've mentioned that we'll eventually come down on Kark if he's not killed within a few nights, who's to say mafia won't leave a town Kark alive if they know we'l lynch him?

Mafia would be utterly stupid to let a proclaimed power role live.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Zipped gave away enough details about our role, I think. (11 word rolename, 'Binoculars' being the command).

Paraphrase the flavor? We're apparently old perverts.

Seems I've misread something...

Old perverts? How old? Middle aged? seniors?

 

[batsnacks]

Seems I've misread something...

Old perverts? How old? Middle aged? seniors?

lol

 

[cabot]

Binoculars made me think voyeur.

 

[Ty4on]

Also, fourth possibility, they could both be telling the truth but their abilities are slightly different - different enough to coexist.

I can't come up with a secondary role that would fit this.
I have thought about the possibility of Blawl being neutrals though with a goal related to the tracking.

 

[Karkador]

Seems I've misread something...

Old perverts? How old? Middle aged? seniors?

I'm actually a 87 year old dragon

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Ok.

In case anyone still has any doubts about Blawl and Kark both having a tracking ability, there was no good reason for Kark to take this risk and out himself by guessing that Blawl tracked him. They both have tracking abilities, but the extent is unclear. There seems to be a key difference between the two of them. I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here by assuming that Blawl is the scum in this situation - or that there is any scum at all. I believe the simplest answer in this case is probably true, but I want to make sure we’re not screwing the pooch here by putting two townies on the block - because we’re basically saying that if one of them flips town, the other is scum.

Kark, I have a question for you. What is your role name? Paraphrase your flavor for me, please.

Seems I've misread something...

Old perverts? How old? Middle aged? seniors?

Literally the first words of our role name is "a pair of old people".

If it's of any importance karkador is 87 years old and I have no age given...

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Mafia would be utterly stupid to let a proclaimed power role live.

Not if they are as good as dead anyway. We lynch Blawl - come day 3, Kark isn't dead, we start scratching our heads. Day 4, we start asking, why hasn't he died yet? Day 5, it's basically a policy lynch. Mafia didn't even have to lift a finger.

Anyway, I want to stop worrying about eventualities and focus on what we should do today. Blawl is a safe bet

 

[cabot]

If it's of any importance karkador is 87 years old and I have no age given...

 

[Karkador]

I'm gonna guess I married young and Zipped is my 150 year old sugar daddy

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I'm gonna guess I married young and Zipped is my 150 year old sugar daddy

Still satisfies the 1/2 your age +7 years rule...

 

[Ty4on]

Still satisfies the 1/2 your age +7 years rule...

Only if you married after you filled 122 and 61.
I have no idea why I calculated that...

 

[El Topo]

Not if they are as good as dead anyway. We lynch Blawl - come day 3, Kark isn't dead, we start scratching our heads. Day 4, we start asking, why hasn't he died yet? Day 5, it's basically a policy lynch. Mafia didn't even have to lift a finger.

No. Just no. Mafia cannot allow a town power role to run around, especially not one that can provide information.

 

[Giant Panda]

Well, if Blarg/Kawl's target last night was not Flux, then I suppose that..clears them?

Could you tell us?

I'm sorry, I'm confused again:

What I'm trying to say is, If Blarg/Kawl DID target Time/Flu, but saw nothing, then their story gains credibility

Maybe I'll have more luck this way - Blarg, did you&yours happen to check TimeFlux last night?

Karkador, why did it seem so hard to tell you that Blarg and Kawl didn't target FluxTime if you already knew that?

 

[Sophia]

Binoculars made me think voyeur.

Hypothetical question, but if they are voyeurs, what do you think of a tracker and a voyeur on the same team? Possible? Not likely?

Right now I'm leaning towards Blarg for two reasons. The first being that he claimed miller early, which is pretty standard procedure if you can't "fake it, til you make it." The reason being they've provided a considerable amount of details into their role, including (but not limited to) a role name that is consistent with the theme of the game and they hinted at having in Day 1.

 

[Karkador]

Let me finally get to this, so that they can't say it never got responded to:

Old man, if you hadn't noticed, after we saw you staring back at us we were content to leave you the hell alone Today; and then you use that against us as a #scumtell?

Of course I noticed. However, there is just as much (arguably even more) incentive in you leaving us alone if you're scum. You knew we had a power, but if you lob an accusation at us, you draw attention to yourselves. Furthermore, you had no idea what did and if could be incriminating. Better to just leave us be, in that case. All a scum player in your position has to do to get rid of us is wait for nightfall.

For keeping you a dirty secret for your own good? Who threw their PR away, now? Because we at least did it for a valid reason given our status as Millers

But your reasoning for claiming Tracker along with it is bullshit. You would have been scrutinized for claiming Tracker no matter what. At least try to paint less of a target on yourself from Day 1. The entire move looks like "Hey everyone, don't mind us, we're not evil at all, no sir"

You can decry us for it, yet you seem content and even proud to flash yourself out when you perceive blood to be spilled, without any thought for self-preservation, and there is even precedence in evidence for your particular predilection. More like Shark-adore.

But, I don't think you process anything that far ahead. Maybe, since we were already underway, you should have allowed us to take the continual Nightly heat for you (and yes, despite being one of the far-fetched options due to our popularity as a controversial conversation piece, Team BLAWL having been defended from attack is one more potential explanation for the no-kill last Night that should not be discarded), but thanks for putting yourself, the "Real Town Tracker™" in the real Double Jeopardy now.

Again, you give us 0 guarantee of safety. The worst case is that we said nothing, and scum kills us N2. The thing is that our flip would have outed you then, anyway. We decided to make a preemptive strike and catch this process off-guard.

Pay attention this time, because on behalf of the masses I am tired of re-iterating what is accepted common practice for those of our persuasion.

Standard Miller operating procedure dictates an early open-door policy so as to foster maximal trust and prevent the wasted application of an investigator's Nightly power-use at a later date, including the subsequent unfortunately resultant TURBO Day lynching of us at that time.

Or, it's decent cover for a scum player with a town role.

Yes, again, that's the fucking caveat of being a Miller, dual-class not-withstanding, natural instinct as a player not-withstanding. If we had solely stated ourselves to be as Millers and had elected to omit that Tracker detail from our oh-so succinct debut, as you personally profess we should have; it would have be seen as a subtraction, not addition, upon reveal to our already tentative credibility after-the-initial-claim-fact in the highly likely event we had to come 'fully clean' in future due to increased scrutiny of our persons as naturally befits those of the Miller persuasion late-game. Which you are accelerating us towards.

We were subtracting from you the moment you claimed our role. I mean, did you have no sense of how reckless it would be to plainly claim your PR? Even if there wasn't another Tracker out there, your ability to do anything but wriggle like a magikarp would be severely compromised.

This reaction truth is regardless of any investigation; name-based, alignment-based or otherwise. Players do not react well to what they would perceive as conjured hand-waves against their suspicions in the form of claimed pro-Town abilities, especially when the claimant is in immediate danger without such. It is by this reasoning we did so.

Did you honestly think that confirming what we first said, could be used against us? We opened that entrance. You only fumbled through while your sidekick giggled as he was told, and think you can sue us for perceived damages. No. I will not allow our discretion Today to be made into accusation by you.

Nope. You revealed Tracker because you assumed you were the only ones with it. Oops..

You chose to hang all-out here. Indeed, you might as well, now, and so will we, further; so tell me, what's your Role Name, Team Zippador? Since Timeflux Namecop apparently isn't a factor anymore. What will you lose now? Maybe you should let your prize Chatot Zipped (POKEDEX: 'Chatot, the Music Note Pokemon. It hears words and then mimics them.') answer that for a change, I think he needs to stretch after all that carrying, especially in such a cramped ball...s.

There's really no indication that there ISN'T a Name Cop out there. I honestly think rolenames are rather useless things to ask for, but it seems a few players are preoccupied with learning them, almost as if they need to know them.

Team BLAWL are the 'Best Friends'. The magnificent Blargonaut x Kawl_USC, and you can stick that in your collective canon. Or will you all ship us out like you did last gen's OTP?

Or perhaps it's Friends With Benefits? My condolences about the friendzone.

 

[Karkador]

Karkador, why did it seem so hard to tell you that Blarg and Kawl didn't target FluxTime if you already knew that?

I was being purposefully dense and annoying to try to get a reaction from Blarg and Kawl. They saw me target them, for unknown reasons.

If they watched me act like a scummy asshole, it might have tipped them in favor of outing me - if they are Town.

If they are Scum, they might instead opt to let belligerent Townies do themselves in.

 

[Warxard]

I'll straight-up go ahead and say no, we did NOT target the Timeflux twerps

His incessant shooing-away of Doctor(s) and/or any help, effectively put the fear of Gun-totes Paranoid/Veteran role in us

like, 2scary5ever

/bruh/

I think the "no one died" is probably the most interesting thing I've read all day. I know most of the conversatiOn is about time/flux and blawl's mirror matchup.

Have any of us thought about the possibility that our loveless decided to NOT kill last night? It's only one potential option, but it's one that tends to get overlooked.

The idea of there being another role similar to CzarForever's role would kind of like, really make the pacing of the game super brisk I guess. I'm not really opposed to the idea but hell in the case of there being TWO trackers now supposedly (which probably isn't true.) nothing is completely set in stone.

I'm not convinced we have more than 1 1-shot BP (Tim/NF's role is basically just a more powerful version of it). It's possible town has a blocker role, but that's typically a scum power role.

This is what I was thinking of as well.

Well, I can believe there's a doctor. I'd just rather not draw attention to whoever that might be.

Karkador, since you and batsnacks pretty much put out there that Blarg is probably a liar It's fair to assume that you didn't use your ability to keep an eye on said liars. It's probably nothing, but I really don't like this allusion in the scenario of there being no dead bodies outside of those we lynched.

For now, I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt to hope that your role comes out to be true I guess.

There are only 3 (main) reasons why there would be no kill. A doctor, a roleblocker, or a bulletproof

So just assuming its one may not be the best thing, however, as it is now, the odds swing towards the doctor guessing correcting or a high profile bulletproof player (odds are against roleblocking successfully night 1, at least in the situation we were in)

I'm leaning on role-blocker. Another bulletproof would, again be odd.

We are not Role Cops, we've never been Role Cops, and we never will be Role Cops. Before you scream at me, a couple of things you should know:

1) Flux came up with this on his own, without my input
2) My "lol" in response to the D1 reveal was actually in response to him telling me his plan was to claim role cop (which was never mentioned he'd do on D1).
3) My reaction to his roleclaim on D1 is genuine. I had no idea he would do it, much less do it on D1. I figured if he wasn't joking, I would at least get the opportunity to talk him out of it. Not so.
4) I was being so wishy washy yesterday because I did not want to commit to the roleclaim.

However, my non-commital became more suspicious, so I had to do soemthing, eventually. You have to realize here I was between a rock and a hard place, here. My two options were:

a) Confirm Flux's untrue roleclaim and dig ourselves deeper into this hole. Woo.
b) Say Flux is full of shit and draw suspicion on why Flux claimed in the first place and probably die on D1.

Neither was appealing, so my strategy was to be vague and silent. Eventually, you guys wanted an answer, so I quietly agreed that we were rolecops. Here was the post, by me, in response to Kark pushing for an answer.

So both of our first reveals were lying nimrods!

A scum tracker, of course.

Just a question: has there been a scum tracker in previous games before?

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I had suspicions on Blarg. I really still feel that revealing the tracker role so dead early is a dumb move. I'm glad my suspicions were justified. Fuck outta here.

BUT! I don't want to vote just yet.

 

[*Splinter]

Why does nothing Boo says make any sense to me?

 

[Warxard]

I was just catching up from what I missed yesterday. :c

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Why do people think or assume kark/bat is Voyeur? Kark specifically mentioned that he targeted Blarg/kawl, and doesn't the voyeur role just show what actions were performed on the target?

 

[Karkador]

I'd also like to point out one more thing.


D1 ended with:

Blargonaut voted 4 times:
Launch & Gorlak
NeverTim
Ultrajay & Boo Boo (total votes, 6)
Sophia & Ty4on

Kawl_USC voted 1 time:
kingkitty & hyperactivity (2 votes total)


Ultrajay voted on TimeFlux, NeverTim, and...himself
Boo Boo'n voted on Blarg/Kawl, NeverTim, kingkitty/hyper


Karkador & Zippedpinhead ended the day with 0 votes: Fluxwave, Fluxwave, Giant Panda, Coppanuva all retracted. We both left their votes on Blargonaut & Kawl_USC.


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So.

If you were to guess where a Town-aligned Blarg/Kawl would aim their investigative power on N1, where would it be?

Perhaps you'd aim for the people you voted for. After all, if you thought they were scum by day, you'd probably be interested in knowing what they're doing at night.

Or maybe you'll go for the only pair who left a vote on you - and one of the very few who even bothered to vote on you at all. Seems rather defensive, as if they weren't being as transparent about their roleclaim as they suggested.

 

[Coppanuva]

Playing catch-up this morning (in reverse order as always), and I have some questions for Boo based on his comments:

/bruh/The idea of there being another role similar to CzarForever's role would kind of like, really make the pacing of the game super brisk I guess. I'm not really opposed to the idea but hell in the case of there being TWO trackers now supposedly (which probably isn't true.) nothing is completely set in stone.

Karkador, since you and batsnacks pretty much put out there that Blarg is probably a liar It's fair to assume that you didn't use your ability to keep an eye on said liars. It's probably nothing, but I really don't like this allusion in the scenario of there being no dead bodies outside of those we lynched.

I'm not sure what you get these 2 pieces of logic from.

1)On ForeverTim: Another BP role would, if anything, make the game slow (more nights without kills).

2) Did you just straight up miss the part where Karkador confirmed he tracked Blawl last night? Also where does Batsnacks fit into this? Why are you bringing him up? This feels like either a poor logic jump (or one I can't follow), or maybe you trying to somehow win Batsnacks points here prematurely. Alternatively, you're just completely confused on who Kark's ACTUAL partner is.

I was just catching up from what I missed yesterday. :c

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Why do people think or assume kark/bat is Voyeur? Kark specifically mentioned that he targeted Blarg/kawl, and doesn't the voyeur role just show what actions were performed on the target?

I agree, I have no idea on why you would assume Kark is a voyeur. His logic in explaining why they had strong reasons to doubt Blawl from the start make sense. A voyeur wouldn't be able to assume that (a town team could easily have a voyeur and a tracker, or a watcher voyeur and tracker).

 

[Coppanuva]

I think we have to lynch time/flux but I also think we have to lynch kawl/blarg today.

RE: Fluxaisis. Without knowing what kind of roles we have in play, the best way to confirm Fluxaisis is to lynch them. I don't think today is for that though.

...Why are you people so insistent on outlining exactly who you want to lynch next? This does absolutely NOTHING to help town. All this does is outline to scum who NOT to target because town is going to do it for them. I'm all for saying you're suspicious of someone, but claiming "WE NEED TO LYNCH THEM SPECIFICALLY SOON!" is a terrible stance to take, especially if you're advocating it for the next day not today specifically.

In response to Coppa, today I want to dig in to some people. The first obvious pairs to look at are Blawl and Karkerpinhead. One of them is very likely lying. Where we go from there I'm not sure, but I sure as hell don't want to turbo anyone, as I mentioned earlier.

Good deal. Thanks for the answers, I look forward to seeing you in action.

UNVOTE

 

[Camjo-Z]

I'll post about this new stuff once I have time to digest it all later today, but I thought I'd respond to this before I forget...

TLCam - Their votes yesterday stand out to me a little, but I can't draw any solid conclusions there until we get some more flips. Cam's posts today have been very off. Critisizing Flux' claim, blaming him for NeverTim's lynch. It seems more policy lynch than serious scum accusation. He's also been arguing for the cop to out himself, a terrible idea at this stage, but I can't tell if it's malicious or just playing to a different meta.

I don't see how my posts are off. Flux's claim was bad, his reasoning doesn't line up with his actions, and he was in fact the person who initiated the Czar/Never bandwagon despite supposedly wanting to get himself killed. It's not a policy lynch when he's given me more than enough reasons to dislike his presence.

As for suggesting the cop should out, I now agree that they shouldn't after Kark's revelations. That's plenty to mull over for D2.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Oh also! Welcome Dusk Soldier! I don't think anyone has said that yet. I would like to hear from you by the end of the phase at least. I'm willing to give you time to catch up, but please share any opinions about things that stuck out during D1 we might've skipped.

Thank you!

Yes, I'm reading through Day One as we speak. There's so much information to get caught up on, but once I'm fully up to date I'll try to give a summary of my thoughts on the game.

VOTE: Flame_AC

 

[Karkador]

We'll wait.

 

[Coppanuva]

I'm juggling the thought of lynching Flux for his horrible play. Seriously that was awful. I want you dead.

If we let both claimed trackers survive, what is the worst case?
Both won't have the same alignment. Scum won't kill the town tracker, unless the second one is a neutral, in that case you should reveal yourselves - because if one tracker pair ends up dead tonight, the other is a goner.
In case they both survive, they will have to reveal information. That could lead to more outed PRs, which is bad. On the other hand they can't make up shit all the time and will get contradicted at some point?
But we let one semi-confirmed scum pair survive on purpose, which is really bad...

I don't know what to do.

Either Blawl or Karzip is lying. One is probably a watcher or another observing power, two trackers is lazy design and unlikely with only 15 roles.

I have quite a few questions from this post, but I feel like they're too leading. I'll dive into them if your initial response doesn't answer any. For right now though (so you have something you're responding to):
Do you really believe this?

Vote: Gorlak

Really there's only one detail giving me pause, probably have to go with Blawl anyway though

Curious: When this detail has been addressed will you let us know? I'm trying to think what detail you're getting a pause at, and I'm not sure where it is (unless it's the "unrelated" thing Karkhead mentioned). If you'd prefer to wait and see how things pan out, by all means do that, I would however like to have that to think over before end of day.

 

[batsnacks]

...Why are you people so insistent on outlining exactly who you want to lynch next? This does absolutely NOTHING to help town. All this does is outline to scum who NOT to target because town is going to do it for them. I'm all for saying you're suspicious of someone, but claiming "WE NEED TO LYNCH THEM SPECIFICALLY SOON!" is a terrible stance to take, especially if you're advocating it for the next day not today specifically.

Nah saying I think time/flux needs to be lynched is fine. Enough people were talking about it and mafia is never targeting them anyway. This weird dramatization reads as scummy to me imo.

 

[Timeaisis]

Vote: Blargonuat

I've got a couple questions for you, Blawl. Either of you can answer.

1) According to you, who did you check last night? Kark says you check him? Is that true? If so, why did you choose Kark/Zipped? It seems like you roundabout confirmed that in this post, but I want to hear it straight.
2) Why append "Miller" to your role claim right after a role-cop claim? Unless you were fairly sure we weren't rolecops (which turned out to be true). Seems like an odd play that would obviously stir up suspicion, seeing as a miller and rolecop in the same game is weird. Did you just think we were lying? If so, why?

Surely, saying we tracked someone and they didn't visit anyone is the easier cop out if we are lying? We can reveal the couple right now if everyone thinks we are blowing smoke, but I legit don't think its the right call. At least one couple right now should know we are telling the truth, which is the couple that visited us.

This is interesting. For context, this is after my big reveal but before Kark's. At this point, according to Kark, they know that they visited Kark and Kark visited them. Kawl admits that whoever visited them should know the truth, that they are indeed trackers. But how do they know that? Anyone could've visited them with any power. This seems to confirm that whatever happened last night, they realized they were both trackers, but Blawl witheld that. Sounds like that's confirmation they are both certainly trackers, and Kark is telling the truth.

So, it's likely we've got one of the following.
1) A Miller Tracker and a regular tracker (both town)
2) A Miller Tracker and a scum tracker (that would be...weird)
3) A Scum Tracker and a regular tracker

 

[Burbeting]

Sophia has dropped out of the game.

I'm looking for replacement ASAP! Until then, Ty4on continues as single unit.

 

[Karkador]

I'm gonna let Blarg/Kawl answer that, but I'll offer the following hypothetical:

If two Trackers in a vacuum of information aimed at each other, their results would lead them to believe that each other had a power role of some kind. Nothing more specific than that.

 

[Warxard]

I'm not sure what you get these 2 pieces of logic from.

1)On ForeverTim: Another BP role would, if anything, make the game slow (more nights without kills).

2) Did you just straight up miss the part where Karkador confirmed he tracked Blawl last night? Also where does Batsnacks fit into this? Why are you bringing him up? This feels like either a poor logic jump (or one I can't follow), or maybe you trying to somehow win Batsnacks points here prematurely. Alternatively, you're just completely confused on who Kark's ACTUAL partner is.

Yeah, Zipped is who I meant not Batsnacks.

whoops

 

[cabot]

Vote: Blargonuat

I've got a couple questions for you, Blawl. Either of you can answer.

1) According to you, who did you check last night? Kark says you check him? Is that true? If so, why did you choose Kark/Zipped? It seems like you roundabout confirmed that in this post, but I want to hear it straight.
2) Why append "Miller" to your role claim right after a role-cop claim? Unless you were fairly sure we weren't rolecops (which turned out to be true). Seems like an odd play that would obviously stir up suspicion, seeing as a miller and rolecop in the same game is weird. Did you just think we were lying? If so, why?



This is interesting. For context, this is after my big reveal but before Kark's. At this point, according to Kark, they know that they visited Kark and Kark visited them. Kawl admits that whoever visited them should know the truth, that they are indeed trackers. But how do they know that? Anyone could've visited them with any power. This seems to confirm that whatever happened last night, they realized they were both trackers, but Blawl witheld that. Sounds like that's confirmation they are both certainly trackers, and Kark is telling the truth.

So, it's likely we've got one of the following.
1) A Miller Tracker and a regular tracker (both town)
2) A Miller Tracker and a scum tracker (that would be...weird)
3) A Scum Tracker and a regular tracker

I think with Kark coming out, I'm thinking option 3. I'm also still thinking about these points:

I'm aware of a few things:
1) Miller claims have worked on GAFIA, Bear and I survived for a while after claiming. It wouldn't be a bad idea for scum to claim miller this early.
2) Scum trackers are a role I've seen.