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Division Targeting Destiny Community w/ Marketing
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I don't even like Destiny (beat all missions, shelved it before raids/TTK came out, haven't played since) but it's true. Division is basically Destiny in third person with way shittier gameplay mechanics. And a cooler setting I guess?
Opinion. I'll reserve my own until I've actually played through all of the Division.
DVPredator85
Member
Guardians turned Agents be like "Let's go to the Destiny thread!!!"
I'm one of them
CraigerGamer
Member
I played Destiny. I knew Destiny. Destiny was a friend of mine. The Division, you're no Destiny.
I feel that when an opinon is popular enough people just start claiming it as a fact. I like Destiny gameplay more than the Division gameplay, but thats my opinion. I think Destiny's gun play is really well crafted, and the Divisions personally didn't feel that great.
But thats just my opinion, not a fact, and its totally possible for someone like yourself to think otherwise.
Its almost a similar thing where people just spam "IT SHOULD PLAY LIKE SOULS", because a game doesn't play like it, and people claim "it has bad gameplay".
Strangelove77
Member
I actually didn't apply my Ubisoft bias to this game. I played the beta and I liked it, but I can't imagine playing it for as long as I played Destiny. Destiny has a shitload of problems, but the gunplay is what makes people put up with a lot of it's shit and rack up hundreds of hours.
The Division I don't think has that luxury. It has to have a lot of end game content, otherwise it'll get dropped faster than Destiny ever did.
At the end of the day it's all preference really. I prefer all the fantasy sci fi super powers and double jumping crap Destiny does.
If anything, the Division being better would only push Bungie to get its shit together, so I'm hoping it's a better overall game.
Her silence is pretty telling, really.
Anton Sugar
Member
What's way shittier?
This, basically. I thought I would dislike The Division's combat mechanics (looked like there was no impact on enemies, bullet sponges, etc. in the closed beta) but I ended up really liking them in the open beta. Weapons sound fantastic, feedback is great (especially on enemies), and I think they decreased the TTK just a tad from the closed beta to the open beta. Felt good, man.
This. I'm hoping The Division is so successful that Bungie is scared off their laurels and doesn't think "Welp, the game sold extremely well, so I guess we did everything right!"
Gunplay in Division is really bad from feel of the guns to look, sound and lack of feedback. Missions and level design were incredibly bland but I only got to level 8 before I uninstalled the game and canceled my amazon preorder.
If you think Division is nothing like Destiny, you haven't played them both. They are quite similar.
You don't have to play an entire game to know if the mechanics are good or not. A bit of the alpha/beta/demo and it's enough for me to know this is not made for me (just like Battlefront)
BlastProcessing
Member
AHA-Lambda
Member
From what I've played of both I highly disagree.
BrianRoyale
Member
Well I'd target the Destiny audience too the games are similar in the kind of MMO approach that they're taking. Overall I think the gunplay is better in Destiny, but it's also different, ones a first person shooter the other is a third person cover shooter. I liked Destiny but it also felt extremely basic and limited, I hope the Division can expand on that. So far the Division feels more open, as in trading, modding weapons, swappable talents and perks. It was fun to get a group on the Beta and switch out perks to take on enemies instead of hoping someone has the right character. Gameplay was still fine to me, but I'm not big on FPS in the first place so I'm sure that makes a big difference. Beta was totally fun, I hope they can deliver an overall great experience. So far so good.
Also I'm interested in Destiny 2, my hopes are they've scrapped Destiny 1 (as far as world structure and how un-open it was) and are going in on a clean slate.
Also I'm interested in Destiny 2, my hopes are they've scrapped Destiny 1 (as far as world structure and how un-open it was) and are going in on a clean slate.
PedroLumpy
Member
Bold. Perhaps it'll be in a better state than Destiny when it released, but it will be competing with where Destiny is now.
Regardless, defining Division in relation to another game implies insecurity at it's ability to stand on it's own.
Regardless, defining Division in relation to another game implies insecurity at it's ability to stand on it's own.
just an absolute load of baloney.
CraigerGamer
Member
I think it really depends on if you like cover-based shooters or not. I found the Division's controls to be counter intuitive and I kept hopping over one wall or hiding behind the wrong ledge. I also found the blind shooting/aiming mechanic to be pretty stupid.
But then again, I really don't like cover-based shooters. So what is typical fare (and perhaps done really well) for those fans of the genre are just quite cumbersome and irritating to me.
Anton Sugar
Member
Guess I'd disagree with you, then. I thought, based on videos, that The Divison's gunplay was really bad or mediocre, at best.
However, when actually playing it, it feels great, especially for a TPS. I think the sounds and feedback are fantastic--what do you mean by "lack of feedback"? Enemies most definitely react to being shot.
As for missions/level design...too early to say. There wasn't much that was impressive about the level design, but that's not really an area I'd say Destiny beats it, either. Your average Destiny mission was extremely uninspired. Raids were the exception, not the rule. TTK had some original Strike ideas, though.
yeah blind shooting is only in every tps. just all of them.
on PC I did switch ctrl and space because using space to 'crouch' behind cover and ctrl to 'jump' over it felt all kinds of wrong.
Herp Derpington
Member
It's an Ubisoft game, just wait a few months and they'll be onto something else and Destiny will still be there. In all seriousness though go play the Division and once new Destiny content comes out go play it. I don't really understand how one precludes you from enjoying the other.
Cabbagehead
Member
Its just marketing...
its 101 type stuff shouldn't be new to neogaf but i guess anything to ruffle the feathers.
its 101 type stuff shouldn't be new to neogaf but i guess anything to ruffle the feathers.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
cool. game vs game marketing is fun.
the division has what destineeds
the division has what destineeds
It's also really important to note that they asked the biggest Destiny Streamers to help them create a healthy day to day Twitch Community. Professor Broman and King Gothalion (together over a million followers, and up to 10k viewers a day) said that Ubisoft approached them because they handeled the Destiny Community so well on Twitch (they really did, am still convinced that the Destiny Community on Twitch really helped Destiny a lot by keeping it relevant for so long even after all the missteps).
And many people watch them because of their personas now not really because of the same old boring content they're playing, many people will migrate over to Division just to be able to talk about it and be apart of the new second community they are building.
And many people watch them because of their personas now not really because of the same old boring content they're playing, many people will migrate over to Division just to be able to talk about it and be apart of the new second community they are building.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
You know what I find nice. At launch I played the hell out of Destiny. I loved it and had no idea quite what grabbed me. It just did. After a short time, my friends and I wondered what the story might be. In the Division, the game isn't out and there's already a sort of story. There are bits of recordings showing events that happened as you wander around.
So much to love, so much to complain about when it comes to content (although the Division isn't out, but everyone is reasonably sure the Division will lack content, and based on just my opinion alone, I'm inclined to think that's reasonable to think that way).
I guess I fail to understand why so many people are so quick to try to take down anything that makes someone else happy but you don't care for it. The older I get, the more I think life is too short to worry what other people think. Enjoy both games until you don't.
So much to love, so much to complain about when it comes to content (although the Division isn't out, but everyone is reasonably sure the Division will lack content, and based on just my opinion alone, I'm inclined to think that's reasonable to think that way).
I guess I fail to understand why so many people are so quick to try to take down anything that makes someone else happy but you don't care for it. The older I get, the more I think life is too short to worry what other people think. Enjoy both games until you don't.
*still remembers the Jason Schreier report about Activision sticking to their strict schedule*
Gnome Scat
Member
OT contender.
To be fair, I looked up the GameZone quote: It was them talking about beta numbers, and how The Division "blew destiny out of the water".
The Division blows Destiny out of the water with 6.4 million beta players
The Division blows Destiny out of the water with 6.4 million beta players
Trickster
Member
That the beauty of marketing, it's basically nothing but an excercise in bending the truth to what you want it to be.
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
My immediate thought upon seeing that post-launch roadmap for The Division earlier this morning was that it felt like they had entirely planned their road map to feel more robust and frequent than Destiny's, which was sort of up-in-the-air for a lot of the time.
Between the beta and that content roadmap, I remain pretty optimistic for The Division. I was bummed out by Destiny at launch, really got into it after House of Wolves and through The Taken King, and am sort of frustrated with how stagnant support for that game has become. If The Division sticks to its timeline that it presented today, and the content is actually of substantial value to the overall gameplay experience, then I will be quite happy. The more realistic tone and themes of the game already resonate with me a bit more than Destiny -- it's not so much an aesthetic preference as it is just a more straightforward and relateable narrative for my gameplay actions. I liked The Division's first beta a lot, and passed on playing the second so as to not get too quickly burnt on the sections of content that were playable, but I do hope The Division has some satisfying and good variety of content in its vanilla launch release.
I actually imagine that The Division's numerous delays may have resulted from the backlash to Destiny, and perhaps it was delayed out long enough for them to a) create a substantive amount of content for release and b) prepare a realistically achievable post launch content release schedule. But that's pure speculation and wishful thinking.
Between the beta and that content roadmap, I remain pretty optimistic for The Division. I was bummed out by Destiny at launch, really got into it after House of Wolves and through The Taken King, and am sort of frustrated with how stagnant support for that game has become. If The Division sticks to its timeline that it presented today, and the content is actually of substantial value to the overall gameplay experience, then I will be quite happy. The more realistic tone and themes of the game already resonate with me a bit more than Destiny -- it's not so much an aesthetic preference as it is just a more straightforward and relateable narrative for my gameplay actions. I liked The Division's first beta a lot, and passed on playing the second so as to not get too quickly burnt on the sections of content that were playable, but I do hope The Division has some satisfying and good variety of content in its vanilla launch release.
I actually imagine that The Division's numerous delays may have resulted from the backlash to Destiny, and perhaps it was delayed out long enough for them to a) create a substantive amount of content for release and b) prepare a realistically achievable post launch content release schedule. But that's pure speculation and wishful thinking.
I agree. Destiny having multiple MP modes vs the single (awful) mode of The Division is also another factor that I think will prevent people from sticking around.
Anton Sugar
Member
I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain why I hope this is true.
Nah. See: DayZ. Or, even MORE pared down, the immensely popular Battle Royale, which is one mode and one map.
I really think console players are underestimating how addictive these kinds of games can be. The Division knocks down a few barriers to make it even more accessible.
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I like both games a ton (1000+ hours on Destiny and a couple dozens in The Division), but comparing them on "gameplay" seems a bit disingenuous. The Division is first and foremost an RPG and then a grounded (literally) third person cover based shooter. Destiny is a fast paced and mobile first person shooter first and then a very very thin RPG-lite layer on the game.
That said, I've only played a bit of The Division, relatively speaking, and it seems the loot and RPG aspect is already considerably better thought out. Bungie disappointed me a lot on this front, not only with the way they designed the content but with the way they designed all the systems outside of shooting. Horrible, horrible decisions apparently made by people who have never played MMOs or loot RPGs, or have no understanding on how they work (or why people like them). Since the release of Destiny they've tried to change the systems as much and as often as possible to see what sticks. Short of a major overhaul on both the game and the design team I have no faith in them getting right anymore.
The level of communication between the developers and the community is also markedly different, as well as their transparency, but it might be unfair to judge since The Division is only just starting now. Who knows if they will drop the ball harder than Bungie. However the way Bungie is handling all of this right is appalling.
That said, I've only played a bit of The Division, relatively speaking, and it seems the loot and RPG aspect is already considerably better thought out. Bungie disappointed me a lot on this front, not only with the way they designed the content but with the way they designed all the systems outside of shooting. Horrible, horrible decisions apparently made by people who have never played MMOs or loot RPGs, or have no understanding on how they work (or why people like them). Since the release of Destiny they've tried to change the systems as much and as often as possible to see what sticks. Short of a major overhaul on both the game and the design team I have no faith in them getting right anymore.
The level of communication between the developers and the community is also markedly different, as well as their transparency, but it might be unfair to judge since The Division is only just starting now. Who knows if they will drop the ball harder than Bungie. However the way Bungie is handling all of this right is appalling.
WonkyPanda
Member
This episode is god-tier.
You hear it so much because it's true, at least in my opinion. Something so fulfilling about aiming down your scout rifle and blowing someone's head clean off.
That's a pretty horribly misleading use of a half-quote.
I wonder how IGN further qualified the "best new franchise" quote.
Sounds and looks really good though if you don't investigate it, doesn't it?
robertlebrone
Member
Didn't say it wouldn't, but The Division is a new game so it's way more appealling to play than Destiny at this point.
For sure, lol
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
Given the amount of salt I saw in that Destiny OT today I dunno.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
As it should be. A brand new game full of new experiences should be more appealing than a an 18 month or so game. I don't even play Destiny any more, but I'm not one of those that is upset content is constantly streaming in.
I'm hoping The Division can be my go to MP game for while. I'm waiting for reviews though.
17 Seconds
Banned
i'm excited for the divison, and i think it's going to be a very good game, but i just don't see this game possibly having the staying power that destiny does.
the current state of destiny means nothing. when new content drops, everyone will be back.
the current state of destiny means nothing. when new content drops, everyone will be back.
DrROBschiz
Member
lol
Its funny
And very smart cuz its going to work
Its funny
And very smart cuz its going to work
It is because it's a new game but once destiny releases new content all those players will be back.
Division to me is a good distraction as I wait for Destiny to bring out new stuff.
exactly.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Folks here in NYC been ready.
I'm glad that UbiMassive and Ubi as a whole is taking Bungie to task. Competition breeds innovation and hopefully it'll light a fire under Bungie's collective ass to get shit right.
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