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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2016 (Feb 29 - Mar 06)

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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Week 11, 2016 (Mar 14 - Mar 20)

new releases

{2016.03.16}
[WIU] The Legend of Starfy 2 _Wii U Virtual Console Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Nintendo) (¥650)
[WIU] Game & Watch Gallery 4 _Wii U Virtual Console Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Nintendo) (¥650)

{2016.03.17}
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Tomodachi Life [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Tomodachi Life (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog & New Friends [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog & New Friends (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Shiba & New Friends [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Shiba & New Friends (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Toy Poodle & New Friends [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Toy Poodle & New Friends (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Kuma Tomo [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Kuma Tomo (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Gotouchi Tetsudou: Gotouchi Chara to Nihon Zenkoku no Tabi [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Gotouchi Tetsudou: Gotouchi Chara to Nihon Zenkoku no Tabi (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <SLG> (Marvelous) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <SLG> (Marvelous) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Koko ga Ochitsukundesu [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) (¥2.700)
[3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Koko ga Ochitsukundesu (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) (¥2.700)
[3DS] DoraEigo: Nobita to Yousei no Fushigi Collection [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <EDU> (Shogakukan) (¥2.700)
[3DS] DoraEigo: Nobita to Yousei no Fushigi Collection (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <EDU> (Shogakukan) (¥2.700)
[PSV] Digimon World: Next Order <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥6.800)
[PSV] Digimon World: Next Order (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥6.800)
[PSV] Wand of Fortune R # <ADV> (Idea Factory) (¥6.800)
[PSV] Wand of Fortune R (1/1)(Limited Edition) <ADV> (Idea Factory) (¥8.800)
[PSV] Wand of Fortune R (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ADV> (Idea Factory) (¥6.000)
[PSV] Omerta Code: Tycoon Kai # <ADV> (Karin Chatnoir Omega) (¥5.800)
[PSV] Omerta Code: Tycoon Kai (1/1)(Deluxe Edition) <ADV> (Karin Chatnoir Omega) (¥7.800)
[PSV] Omerta Code: Tycoon Kai (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ADV> (Karin Chatnoir Omega) (¥4.800)
[PS4] Senran Kagura Estival Versus: Sakura Edition <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥4.980)
[PS4] Senran Kagura Estival Versus: Sakura Edition (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥4.980)
[PS4] Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo <RCE> (Intergrow) (¥7.800)
[PS4] Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <RCE> (Intergrow) (¥7.223)
[PS4] Yakuza 0 [1/1][New Price Edition] <ADV> (Sega) (¥3.800)
[PS4] Yakuza 0 (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][New Price Edition] <ADV> (Sega) (¥3.800)
[PS4] Battlefield 4: Premium Edition <Battlefield 4 \ Battlefield 4: China Rising \ Battlefield 4: Second Assault \ Battlefield 4: Final Stand \ Battlefield 4: Naval Strike \ Battlefield 4: Dragon's Teeth> [1/1][EA Best Hits] <ACT> (Electronic Arts) (¥3.800)
[PS3] Yakuza 0 [1/1][New Price Edition] <ADV> (Sega) (¥3.800)
[PS3] Yakuza 0 (.) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| [1/1][New Price Edition] <ADV> (Sega) (¥3.800)

{2016.03.18}
[WIU] Pokken Tournament # <FTG> (Pokemon Co.) (¥7.200)
[WIU] Pokken Tournament (1/1)(Wii U Set) <BUN> (Nintendo) (¥36.800)
[WIU] Pokken Tournament (.) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <FTG> (Pokemon Co.) (¥6.800)
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YSO predictions

01. [WIU] Pokken Tournament < 80k (average 65k)
02. [PSV] Digimon World: Next Order < 55k (average 45k)
03. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division < 20k
03. [3DS] Pokemon Red / Green / Blue / Yellow < 20k
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
YSO predictions for Digimon are quite low - if those turn out to be reliable, it was in line with what I was saying about the decrease of the franchise in the second entry as happened on PSP - with the difference that this new game is on par with Cyber Sleuth in terms of production values unlike the second PSP game.
 
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Kresnik258

Member
Pennywise83 said:
YSO predictions for Digimon are quite low - if those turn out to be reliable, it was in line with what I was saying about the decrease of the franchise in the second entry as happened on PSP - with the difference that this new game is on par with Cyber Sleuth in terms of production values unlike the second PSP game.
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Isn't Next Order just a lot of asset reuse from Cyber Sleuth?

That said, sub 50k would be a poor result for Digimon imo. Like I discussed with you a while ago, I was actually expecting more from this one because it's a 'World' game rather than a 'Story' game.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
YSO predictions look normal, I don't know what different was expected.

Pokken will end with <150k LTD and Digimon with <100k.
 
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The_lascar

Member
Chris1964 said:
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf [1/1][Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) (¥2.700)
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With this, New Leaf is going to easily surpass the Pokémon X/Y LTD even without the digital. And actually, it was already on the way to doing that without the price cut.

Unless if Sun/Moon can bring back the ip to 5M+ (which would be very surprising), the Wii U (Splatoon) and the 3DS (Animal Crossing) are the first Nintendo hardwares where the best selling game in Japan isn't involving Mario or Pokémon (or both with Smash on GC).
 
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Mario007

Member
Pennywise83 said:
YSO predictions for Digimon are quite low - if those turn out to be reliable, it was in line with what I was saying about the decrease of the franchise in the second entry as happened on PSP - with the difference that this new game is on par with Cyber Sleuth in terms of production values unlike the second PSP game.
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Excelt for the fact that the game reuses Cyber Sleuths assets and looks noticeably worse in place.

Plus this game is made by a different studio and isnt a direct CS sequel or a spiritual one.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
The_lascar said:
With this, New Leaf is going to easily surpass the Pokémon X/Y LTD even without the digital. And actually, it was already on the way to doing that without the price cut.

Unless if Sun/Moon can bring back the ip to 5M+ (which would be very surprising), the Wii U (Splatoon) and the 3DS (Animal Crossing) are the first Nintendo hardwares where the best selling game in Japan isn't involving Mario or Pokémon (or both with Smash on GC).
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If Sun / Moon wants to become again a 5m+ million seller from a 4m+ it must offer something different and better this time from X / Y. The userbase is there and it will be a very active year for 3DS.
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
Mario007 said:
Excelt for the fact that the game reuses Cyber Sleuths assets and looks noticeably worse in place.

Plus this game is made by a different studio and isnt a direct CS sequel or a spiritual one.
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What I was trying to say is that the new game looks more comparable to Cyber Sleuth in terms of production values than how the second PSP game compared with Digitize. I previously said that this game was going to drop with respect to the first PSV entry, and it seems I was right while other users though the game could at least stay stable.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I feel the biggest issue the game has is that it went after the current children's audience on Vita (I'm guessing trying to attract people who bought Minecraft?) instead of continuing to target people who liked Digimon as children and were now older, which seems to be a more realistic assessment of where the brand's appeal still exists.
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
Nirolak said:
I feel the biggest issue the game has is that it went after the current children's audience on Vita (I'm guessing trying to attract people who bought Minecraft?) instead of continuing to target people who liked Digimon as children and were now older, which seems to be a more realistic assessment of where the brand's appeal still exists.
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Why are you saying that? I don't Next Order much more targeted to children and less to young adults than Cyber Sleuth.
 
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Ōkami

Member
  1. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi - 99
  2. [PSV] Tom Clancy's The Division - 91
  3. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi (15th Anniversary Pack) - 61
  4. [PS4] Gundam Breaker 3 - 54
  5. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Limited Edition) - 46
  6. [PS4] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi - 43
  7. [PSV] Gundam Breaker 3 - 40
  8. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at Rio Olympics - 21
  9. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD - 15
  10. [3DS] Monster Strike - 14
  11. [PSV] Kamen Rider: Battride War Sousei - 13
  12. [3DS] Monster Hunter Generations - 13
  13. [WIU] Splatoon - 12
  14. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 12
  15. [PSV] Kiniro no Corda 4 - 11
  16. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Kabuto Ver. - 11
  17. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final - 10
  18. [3DS] Megaman Classic Collection - 10
  19. [3DS] Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Nihon Tanjou - 10
  20. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Kuwagata Ver. - 10
 
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astrogamer

Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2016

[3DS] Hardware - 1980000
[PS4] Hardware - 1850000
[PSV] Hardware - 850000
[WIU] Hardware - 550000

[3DS] Yo-kai Watch 3 - 2750000
[3DS] Pokémon Sun / Moon - 3540000
[3DS] Monster Hunter Stories - 1750000
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 1000000
[PS4 + PS3] Persona 5 - 600000
 
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Powwa

Member
Pennywise83 said:
Not in a way so that the game looks much more targeted towards a younger audience. I mean, YSO is predicting a 50% drop off.
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Cyber Sleuth's first week was 76k if I'm not mistaken. I think Next Order will be somewhere between 55k-60k. So that's not really a %50 drop off, let's wait and see on Wednesday.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Pennywise83 said:
Why are you saying that? I don't Next Order much more targeted to children and less to young adults than Cyber Sleuth.
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Next Order looks like something built to be appropriate for 7-14 year olds whereas Cyber Sleuth is more racy/sexy/edgy for the ~15-22 audience. The characters are similarly older in Cyber Sleuth as well.

Maybe this comparison will help illustrate:

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Regiruler

Member
Nirolak said:
Next Order looks like something built to be appropriate for 7-14 year olds whereas Cyber Sleuth is more racy/sexy/edgy for the ~15-22 audience. The characters are similarly older in Cyber Sleuth as well.

Maybe this comparison will help illustrate:
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Do pants not exist for girls in japan or something?
 
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Orgen

Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2016

[3DS] Hardware - 1.885.000
[PS4] Hardware - 1.550.000
[PSV] Hardware - 770.000
[WIU] Hardware - 525.000

[3DS] Yo-kai Watch 3 - 3.150.000
[3DS] Pokémon Sun / Moon - 3.470.000
[3DS] Monster Hunter Stories - 1.530.000
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 1.100.000
[PS4 + PS3] Persona 5 - 675.000
 
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zeromcd73

Member
http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/48083324.html

A certain company who has not publicly revealed their name on the recruitment page is recruiting for a 3D character modeler for the development of a PS4 RPG that blends Sci-Fi with the Wild West.

The specified company is located in Tokyo city, Koto district, Kiba, which just so happens to be where Media Vision is located. Brand new Wild Arms game coming?
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 10 2016

01./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division <ADV> (Ubisoft)
02./00. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
03./01. [PSV] Gundam Breaker 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
04./00. [PS4] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
05./00. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Special Edition) <ADV> (Nintendo)
06./02. [PS4] Gundam Breaker 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
07./00. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD <ADV> (Nintendo)
08./05. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo)
09./04. [PSV] Attack on Titan <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
10./00. [PSV] La Corda d'Oro 4 <SLG> (Koei Tecmo)
11./00. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi (15th Anniversary Luxury Pack) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
12./06. [PS4] Life Is Strange <ADV> (Square Enix) (¥4.444)
13./14. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment)
14./07. [PSV] Kan Colle Kai <SLG> (Kadokawa Games)
15./17. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
16./08. [PS4] Attack on Titan <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
17./00. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Metabee Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company)
18./00. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Rokusho Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company)
19./18. [3DS] Monster Hunter X <ACT> (Capcom)
20/16. [PSV] Dragon Quest Builders: Alefgard o Fukkatsu Niseyo <ADV> (Square Enix)
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

Banned
Nirolak said:
I feel the biggest issue the game has is that it went after the current children's audience on Vita (I'm guessing trying to attract people who bought Minecraft?) instead of continuing to target people who liked Digimon as children and were now older, which seems to be a more realistic assessment of where the brand's appeal still exists.
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I don't think this is really their target audience.

While the designs might be less sexualized (the characters are actually the same age), the game definitely is still targeting older Digimon fans.

The difference is that while Cyber Sleuth was heavily focused around attracting fans of the original anime (complete with the project even begin billed as the 15th anniversary project for the anime series), Next Order is tapping in heavily to nostalgia for Digimon World 1. The original protagonist is returning in a supporting role, the story is a followup to the post-game content from the original Digimon World, and the game's advertising campaign has heavily featured lines like "Welcome Back to Digimon World" and "Was the world waiting for you, or were you waiting for the world?". The trailers have pretty much all been centered around "hey, remember Digimon World 1 on the Playstation, and the old virtual pets from the 90s? Well, we're bringing it back!"

I definitely don't think they're targeting it at kids at all. It's just a case where they're targeting a different subsection of the adult fanbase. Cyber Sleuth was targeted predominantly at fans of the original anime series (10+ million viewers), and was designed as a traditional story driven RPG with designs that roughly fit with the typical sort of teen/young adult focused RPG series. Next Order is targeted largely at fans of the original Digimon World (around 200,000 units sold in Japan I believe), with the story being a sequel to post-game content most people never even saw (the game was famously extremely difficult). On top of that, the game is basically a virtual pet turned into a game, with the player not actually controlling their Digimon in battle. It's a notably more niche product. Cyber Sleuth was the sort of game that could draw in appeal to lapsed Digimon fans or even non-fans looking for a typical RPG to play on their Vita. Next Order, by contrast, is much more targeted at folks who loved Digimon World. It's a very unique and strange game that there aren't really any real other analogues to in modern gaming (or really, any point in gaming history that I can think of). It's definitely more of a niche product, but not one that's targeting kids any more than Cyber Sleuth was.
 
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3Kaze

Member
Pennywise83 said:
YSO predictions for Digimon are quite low - if those turn out to be reliable, it was in line with what I was saying about the decrease of the franchise in the second entry as happened on PSP - with the difference that this new game is on par with Cyber Sleuth in terms of production values unlike the second PSP game.
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Next Order looks like a psp game.

Bullshots :
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Actual game (and footage) :
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casiopao

Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2016

[3DS] Hardware - 1900000
[PS4] Hardware - 1850000
[PSV] Hardware - 800000
[WIU] Hardware - 450000

[3DS] Yo-kai Watch 3 - 3450000
[3DS] Pokémon Sun / Moon - 3640000
[3DS] Monster Hunter Stories - 1850000
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 1000000
[PS4 + PS3] Persona 5 - 500000

Sammy Samusu said:
Save your voodoo magic. The mobile game is just an adapted port of the original game.
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The fact that Hino uses FL2 aa the title entitled me to curse them with the curse of Gundam Age.^~^
 
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duckroll

Member
Speaking personally, I'll say that the biggest draw for me in Cyber Sleuth is that they made a JRPG which felt like a modern game while having a bunch of hooks which seemed like call backs to Digimon Adventure stuff I remember from way back. There's a dark tone to the story and the nature of Digimon, but still presented with an anime filter of sorts where the power of friendship and just trying really hard can lead to success. I'm not much of a Digimon fan outside of Hosoda's original short films and the original Digimon Adventures series, but the game was interesting enough for me to pick up.

Digimon Next Order looks like a PSP/3DS game in comparison though, except with the same Digimon models being reused. While the world looks more open, it also looks super generic and boring, compared to the heavy modern/cyber aesthetics of Cyber Sleuth. The character designs are also much less distinctive.
 
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zeromcd73

Member
PS Vita game in 2016
Digimon-World-Next-Order_2016_03-03-16_003.jpg
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It just looks so low budget. You can blame the world being more open, but if the scope of the game far exceeds the budget they were given maybe they should have found a way with less compromise.
 
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casiopao

Member
zeromcd73 said:
PS Vita game in 2016


It just looks so low budget. You can blame the world being more open, but if the scope of the game far exceeds the budget they were given maybe they should have found a way with less compromise.
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Wait wait wait. Is that kabuterimon giving us butt here?
 
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crinale

Member
hiska-kun said:
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 10 2016

01./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division <ADV> (Ubisoft)
02./00. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
03./01. [PSV] Gundam Breaker 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
04./00. [PS4] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
05./00. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Special Edition) <ADV> (Nintendo)
06./02. [PS4] Gundam Breaker 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
07./00. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD <ADV> (Nintendo)
08./05. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo)
09./04. [PSV] Attack on Titan <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
10./00. [PSV] La Corda d'Oro 4 <SLG> (Koei Tecmo)
11./00. [PSV] Summon Night 6: Ushinawareta Kyoukaitachi (15th Anniversary Luxury Pack) <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games)
12./06. [PS4] Life Is Strange <ADV> (Square Enix) (¥4.444)
13./14. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment)
14./07. [PSV] Kan Colle Kai <SLG> (Kadokawa Games)
15./17. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
16./08. [PS4] Attack on Titan <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
17./00. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Metabee Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company)
18./00. [3DS] Medarot Girls Mission: Rokusho Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company)
19./18. [3DS] Monster Hunter X <ACT> (Capcom)
20/16. [PSV] Dragon Quest Builders: Alefgard o Fukkatsu Niseyo <ADV> (Square Enix)
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Twilight princess is performing mediocrely.
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
Nirolak said:
Next Order looks like something built to be appropriate for 7-14 year olds whereas Cyber Sleuth is more racy/sexy/edgy for the ~15-22 audience. The characters are similarly older in Cyber Sleuth as well.
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KuwabaraTheMan explained quite well why Next Order is not necessarily aimed at kids, but the image comparison doesn't tell anything about a difference in demographic - perhaps you though so because the protagonist of Cyber Sleuth is not smiling?


Powwa said:
Cyber Sleuth's first week was 76k if I'm not mistaken. I think Next Order will be somewhere between 55k-60k. So that's not really a %50 drop off, let's wait and see on Wednesday.
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You're right, I was remembering around 100k debut / 150k LTD. Next Order will likely be in line with Cyber Sleuth anyway.
 
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Jon Carter

Member
Moor-Angol said:
price-drop will help
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I don't think it will help all that much personally. At the end of the day, the 3DS has been cheap since August 2011. It's been extremely successful and had big franchises targeting kids, teenagers and young adults, male and female gamers, core and casual gamers, and otaku. It's had several models, colors and special editions. I don't think there's too many people who've been waiting for another price cut, especially considering the 2011 one was even steeper than in the rest of the world and it's easier to convince Japanese people that a handheld is worth that price than Westerners.

Best chance would be Minecraft 3D.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2016

[3DS] Hardware - 1.789.012
[PS4] Hardware - 1.567.890
[PSV] Hardware - 789.012
[WIU] Hardware - 567.890

[3DS] Yo-kai Watch 3 - 3.210.987
[3DS] Pokémon Sun / Moon - 3.456.789
[3DS] Monster Hunter Stories - 1.234.567
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 1.234.567
[PS4 + PS3] Persona 5 - 567.890
 
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Kresnik258

Member
zeromcd73 said:
PS Vita game in 2016

It just looks so low budget. You can blame the world being more open, but if the scope of the game far exceeds the budget they were given maybe they should have found a way with less compromise.
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Lol. I knew they'd skimped a bit based on the gameplay vids I'd seen, but that's quite something.
 
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L~A

Member
horuhe said:
Yeah, just regular reposition. They said something for Gundam Breaker, and some other games.
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Ok, I thought maybe there was a special promotion or something.

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About 3DS price, I'm with Chris on this one. There's a reason Nintendo discontinued the Nintendo 3DS XL months ago, but still has not one, but 5 3DS colours still in production.

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Actually, the OG 3DS might well be part of the reason the New 3DS didn't sell as well as you'd expect. Users who wanted the premium model bought a New 3DS XL (and 3DS XL sales were hit hard when it came out), but those looking for an affordable model went with the significantly cheaper OG 3DS.

Looking at price: New 3DS XL is only 800 Yen more expensive than 3DS XL. But New 3DS is 1 800 Yen more expensive than an OG 3DS (and that's not counting the retailer discounts, as you can get one for much cheaper than the MSRP).

A cheaper model (2DS) or a price cut would be a good move for Nintendo this year. No, it won't make the 3DS sell over 100k even during dead months, but it would definitely help.
 
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HGH

Banned
After the abysmal state of the Vita release, it was pretty much an inevitability. Still, kinda sad for Western Vita owners. I'm sure you'll have a petition popping up within a week as usual.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Yikes at that bullshot-to-reality comparison for Digimon. I still remember how I was really, positively surprised by the (apparent) graphics of the game the first times Bandai Namco showed it.

Interesting insight Kuwabara, definitely helpful to understand the situation better :p
 
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Spiegel

Member
HGH said:
After the abysmal state of the Vita release, it was pretty much an inevitability. Still, kinda sad for Western Vita owners. I'm sure you'll have a petition popping up within a week as usual.
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Yeah, as you said this was inevitable and you can't blame third party companies for that.

Let's hope the NX portable is a success and can support modern engines.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Pennywise83 said:
KuwabaraTheMan explained quite well why Next Order is not necessarily aimed at kids, but the image comparison doesn't tell anything about a difference in demographic - perhaps you though so because the protagonist of Cyber Sleuth is not smiling?
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So, completely honest question, but you do understand that products tailor their character ages, mannerisms, and designs at a particular target audience, right?

Like there's a reason Pokemon and Yokai Watch star children, JRPGs tend to star teens, and Yakuza stars older men. I can go into this further if you need more clarification.

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So Project Setsuna coming out on PS4 and PC in the West, digital-only. I believe Nirolak (and several others) pretty much predicted it.

> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197001
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And it has a limited physical collector's edition a la Child of Light as well.
 
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Vena

Member
Nirolak said:
Like there's a reason Pokemon and Yokai Watch star children, JRPGs tend to star teens, and Yakuza stars older men. I can go into this further if you need more clarification.
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Everyone knows the pokemon universe stars ageless, immortal main characters like Red and Ash. This is one of the major reasons I remain a fan, its one of the few games that caters to my lonely demographic.

:p
 
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Pennywise83

Banned
Nirolak said:
So, completely honest question, but you do understand that products tailor their character ages, mannerisms, and designs at a particular target audience, right?

Like there's a reason Pokemon and Yokai Watch star children, JRPGs tend to star teens, and Yakuza stars older men. I can go into this further if you need more clarification.
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Of course I know that (even though that's debatable that a 1:1 ratio between age of characters and target audience always exist, see plenty of jRPG starring underage girls targeted towards young adults; GTA characters typically older than the primary audience; and so on) Here, I just don't see much difference such that one can infer that Cyber Sleuth is targeted towards 15+ yo people and Next Order to 7-14 yo people; Cyber Sleuth main characters are teenagers; Next Order main character is a high school student (12th grade by the website?). Character design doesn't look much different between the two games, at least not as different so to identify two completely different primary audiences as you were believing:

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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I guess the way I'd express the distinction is that the age gap of the characters mirrors something like Kingdom Hearts versus Final Fantasy, which I think clearly have a lot of audience overlap, but still some different considerations about who they are targeting.

Similarly, I don't think you'd see a design like Final Fantasy X's Shiva in a Kingdom Hearts game, which is where I'd draw a distinction between how the girl with her chest halfway out of her dress compares to the women in Next Order.

Cyber Sleuth also has a large SMT-esque bent to it that I suspect is probably not in Next Order.
 
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