mikezilla2
Member
its disappointing, i was hoping there were less problems going on behind the scenes then what was laid but none the less im sure everyone has there own idea of how things happened.
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Original Snake Voice David Hayter Has No Love For Hideo Kojima (Kotaku)
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He was the Snake we know and love for over 10 years, and he genuinely seemed to care about Metal gear and the role he had in it, i think he has every right to be salty when he got replaced.
SkylineRKR
Member
Why the fuck would Hayter even care? Just play the game and find out Kiefer Snake is pretty much a mute anyway.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'm not sure if you're trying to re-write history or something here, but Hayter has been petulant and deliberately antagonistic about the casting across social media, at cons, and in all interviews for the past 3 years. People expect maybe a couple of months of butthurt, but to see him continue perpetuating it is beyond pathetic.
SatanicNemesis2K
Banned
Hayters gonna hayte.
I liked Kiefer, he was a better snake. He sounded more grizzled and far more pleasant on the ears.
I liked Kiefer, he was a better snake. He sounded more grizzled and far more pleasant on the ears.
The_Endgamer
Member
I wonder if Kojima held a grudge after Hayter submitted that MGS screenplay. Kojima might've seen all the plot-holes in his own storytelling after Hayter pointed them out too.
Not too far of a stretch given Kojima's autonomy with bad over the top scripts.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Same. I'm not that much of a MGS fan, but from what I've played/seen prior to MGSV, Hayter wasn't anything special.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yeah. His work isn't special. It's just 'memorable'. His voice is memorable and resonates with english players as him being Snake.
I never had any trouble telling him apart from the rest of the cast, I think Kiefer has an extremely distinct voice.
Whether there will be any more Metal Gear games is up in the air, either way I have some doubts about Konami's ability to conjure up a world class team that could do the series justice now that Kojima Productions is gone.
SkylineRKR
Member
Hayter rose to prominence at a time when VA was pretty low key in games. Its become better over the years and he's pretty much stuck in the past with his cartoony voice. He's one dimensional.
But is Kiefer better? Because I hear Jack Bauer, and when he put up an accent like he did in Pompeii he was fucking terrible.
But is Kiefer better? Because I hear Jack Bauer, and when he put up an accent like he did in Pompeii he was fucking terrible.
jabberwocker
Banned
Metal gear solid's success I believe has a large part due to hayter. If MGS cast Russel as snake it would have probably still done well as the Hayter version of snake does sound a lot like Russell. But if you had the like of Sutherland in the game it most likely would have flopped. He is only tolerable in mgs5 because there aren't many cutscenes. If he did the vo for MGS it would be hilariously bad.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Hayter gave Snake possibly the most iconic voice in gaming.
I understand his performances weakened but the hate is unwarranted
Frankly the direction he got may have had a lot to do with it. MGS4 voice acting was average all around compared to prior games
And MGS5 had Troy Baker, arguably the best in the business with a relatively weak performance
I understand his performances weakened but the hate is unwarranted
Frankly the direction he got may have had a lot to do with it. MGS4 voice acting was average all around compared to prior games
And MGS5 had Troy Baker, arguably the best in the business with a relatively weak performance
tryagainlater
Member
It's probably hard for Hayter to get over it when he gets asked about it on Twitter 200 times a day. These comments are from a Game Informer interview so no wonder it seems like he won't stop talking about it.
He won't have worked with him, Hayter will have been provided as localisation (maybe even through a 3rd party) back in 1998.
kimifan141
Member
Metal gear solid was over for me the moment i saw old snake in mgs 4 :X The series might have gone on but as a metal gear solid game it was plain boring.
Never bothered with phantom pain after i played ground zeros.
The best is yet to come Hayter , who knows what will happen with the mgs series now that kojima is out of it , they might want someone again for a mgs 1 remaster / remake / enhanced.
A lot of people are confused with the strong support for hayter but it would sink in stronger if you were one of those gamers who played metal gear solid right from the start aka the ps1 release.
Never bothered with phantom pain after i played ground zeros.
The best is yet to come Hayter , who knows what will happen with the mgs series now that kojima is out of it , they might want someone again for a mgs 1 remaster / remake / enhanced.
A lot of people are confused with the strong support for hayter but it would sink in stronger if you were one of those gamers who played metal gear solid right from the start aka the ps1 release.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I actually think his MGS1 performance is legitimately good, far more restrained than the sequels
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Sutherland did a good job, and we don't know how much he charged, I don't think that was the problem, this project was way too fucking long with or without Sutherland, I bet that it started with that "project ogre" so many years ago, and it's still not "finished"
anyway he is not the snake mgsv deserve, is the snake mgsv need.
For me Hayter will always be Snake/BB, and Sutherland Venom
You got me there!
anyway he is not the snake mgsv deserve, is the snake mgsv need.
For me Hayter will always be Snake/BB, and Sutherland Venom
You got me there!
Your meme collage for Revengence is lacking a certain boisterous senator.
Marvel
could never
Agreed, his best work.
Audioboxer
Member
Well Kiefer was total meh, but made sense given the shitty MGS5 twist.
bobawesome
Member
Yeah, like you wouldn't be pissed if you didn't receive so much as a heads up that you were being replaced.
Snake was a retired veteran in MGS that Campbell dragged back into action. By no means was he a rookie.
SolidChamp
Banned
Some people here are ripping into Hayter like he's been constantly bringing this up or whining incessantly about it on Twitter.
He was interviewed and asked questions about it, so he gave a candid response. Outside of that, unless someone can prove me wrong, Hayter has been pretty quiet on the subject for some time now.
Dude gave 15 years to that series and was always ready for the next phone call. The posts about him being "salty" are immature.
Kojima sent a fart in his general direction, rather than give him a proper sit down and explain his reasoning in a respectful manner. Give Hayter a break.
Edit: I've lost a bit of love for Kojima after that clusterfuck of a game.
He was interviewed and asked questions about it, so he gave a candid response. Outside of that, unless someone can prove me wrong, Hayter has been pretty quiet on the subject for some time now.
Dude gave 15 years to that series and was always ready for the next phone call. The posts about him being "salty" are immature.
Kojima sent a fart in his general direction, rather than give him a proper sit down and explain his reasoning in a respectful manner. Give Hayter a break.
Edit: I've lost a bit of love for Kojima after that clusterfuck of a game.
Coreda
Member
Is there a way to play all the games with the Japanese VAs and English subs?
? It's even in the OP, Kojima had tried to get others to voice the English version for a while.
? It's even in the OP, Kojima had tried to get others to voice the English version for a while.
I was talking about 3, the game right before 4. The youngest voiced Snake.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
And it took him only 16 years to notice that.
SolidSnakex
Member
He's apparently been pushing to get rid of him ever since at least MGS3.
As if half this thread and most recent MGS threads arent constant bitching and attacks on the guy actually responsible for the series. I doubt Kojima would have been as 'honest' if publicly asked about Hayter.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I think now the game has passed many would agree not using him was a mistake. There are those who have always disliked Hayter, but anyone that denies his voice was iconic in the role is disingenuous. He really is the voice of Snake, and not in a way that is replaceable, regardless of how good or bad you consider his work. Another voice is not the character.
He said 'she shurfife', but that's the only one I remember.
GreySquirrel
Member
I thought Sutherland did an amazing job with what he was given in 5 and I thought it was better for him. There, I said it.
Edit:damn autocorrect
it also makes sense lore wise. But then so would 3 and Peace Walker
Edit:damn autocorrect
It's just so strange how a guy could be doing a role for over a decade, and become emotionally attached to the character, work, and fans, right?!?
Is it safe to assume that the more "mature" direction of MGSV is the reason why they changed voice actors?
Also why did they remove one of the most iconic sound effects in gaming, in favor of... this? Is it also too cartoony or what? Meh whatever it's not like I care anymore.
That's already an improvement over Hayter.
Every time is the same story with these threads. Hayter isn't good, he got worse, he's begging, dude is full of himself, blabla, no matter how many times his qualities and passion are proven.
Well, whatever. He has my respect for speaking his mind, and in my opinion he dodged a bullet with MGSV. Thank you for your work and good luck for the future.
Well, whatever. He has my respect for speaking his mind, and in my opinion he dodged a bullet with MGSV. Thank you for your work and good luck for the future.
Coreda
Member
This is a constant meme, but I enjoyed Sutherland's VA in the games and tapes. He also naturally has that voice.
Parssz, whart's wrong?
You gave yourself the answer. They had the opportunity for getting Sutherland (while scrapping 95% of dialog), so they went with it. Nothing because cartoony, then the would have the shitty origin of the silent sniper woman (wow, its the first time I forgot the name of a character in metal gear, lol)
Preferred Hayter, but I can't say I missed him much during the game if only because Snake barely talks at all. He doesn't talk that much even in the tapes. Really barely noticed him in the game at all.
Also, I love Kojima's games and all but if Hayter was fired as disrespectfully as he's implying, I can understand why he'd be a little bitter about this.
Also, I love Kojima's games and all but if Hayter was fired as disrespectfully as he's implying, I can understand why he'd be a little bitter about this.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Hayter is the voice of Snake. Replacing him was a shit move to fans who were buying these games for 17 years or so. It made no sense and was just Kojima's ego going after someone who was more famous.
Some could care less, others cared a lot and to those people, this was almost as shit as ACT2 was.
Some could care less, others cared a lot and to those people, this was almost as shit as ACT2 was.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
That sucks... and as some pointed out already, he worked for Kojima for years and years and still doesn't know him as a person... that says a lot actually.