lucablight
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Original Snake Voice David Hayter Has No Love For Hideo Kojima (Kotaku)
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Who are you to decide what Hayter's opinion is on the matter?
entremet
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Remember, they asked him the question.
He answered it.
VA's getting attached to characters isn't a new thing, especially since many play their characters for decades sometimes.
Actors, in general, tend to sensitive types too. Being replaced for the final game is a bit a slap in the face.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Agreed. After reading it, he comes off as a whiny baby.
not all are like that. He just seems mad he didnt get the job. But I agree. He needs to get over it.
R_thanatos
Member
Hayter , IMo is nothing special.
Solid snake was defined by his actions , not by hs voice.
Snake Voice in MGS5 was even superior , IMO.
Solid snake was defined by his actions , not by hs voice.
Snake Voice in MGS5 was even superior , IMO.
KOMANI
KOMANI
You're a good poster. I look forward to reading more from you
ComputerBlue
Member
A lot of people in here quick to jump on Hayter for one reason or another, but you can't deny that Kojima and co. didn't handle it well.
Coriolanus
Banned
I'd be perfectly happy with Cam Clarke as the VA for snake in MGS5, if Kojima decided that Hayter had to be replaced.
Cam always was the best Snake, anyway.
It is particularly odd when one factors that Hayter didn't go out of his way to criticize the decision, he was being interviewed. Fuck was the man supposed to say "oh, i loves it"? But no, he was honest about how he felt, and that is some great crime.
Cam always was the best Snake, anyway.
It is particularly odd when one factors that Hayter didn't go out of his way to criticize the decision, he was being interviewed. Fuck was the man supposed to say "oh, i loves it"? But no, he was honest about how he felt, and that is some great crime.
ItWillGetBetter
Banned
David is solid snake. Solid snake is David.
Kojima should have done it better.
Kojima should have done it better.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I love kojima, he is the bomb. But it's hard to deny that Hayter got done dirty. Oh well.
JaseMath
Member
I know where he's coming from. Playing MGS:V is like one 60 hour long douche chill.
What the fuck is this?
A timeless emotional scene that only the genius of Koima could bring.
I've wondered at times if part of why Konami got so mad with Kojima is because he spent so much money on celebrities and was starting to do it again for silent hills. I know konami is evil criminals, but this probably had something to do with it, too. Sony wouldn't care as much, but I feel like that may have been a significant factor in the problems mgsv had. The guys that talked the most in tapes were the guys that were career voice actors.
The title doesn't help. If it said "GameInformer Interview" or "GI Podcast with David Hayter on his working conditions" there'd probably be a bit less hate. The way it's phrased right now looks like a dirty tabloid title looking for a scoop.
unknownhero
Member
doesn't surprise me kojima has an ego. after all, everyone keeps calling him a god.
SolidSnakex
Member
Again with the ego talk. Hayter actually believes that Kojima is jealous of him. How much of an ego do you have to have to believe that bullshit?
This summarizes my feelings exactly. Been playing and collecting Metal Gear since the beginning, and the voice actor swap felt unnecessary and incredibly perplexing.
swearing-circle
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snake_eater_raiden
Member
"Konami is evil. Konami is bad. Konami did all wrong. Kojima is innocent.
Really this is nothing but media spin.
Kojima was given 7 years to make a new engine and MGS5. He had two things and he did not delivered on the latter.
Instead he wasted his time on Twitter, Got Sutherland for no reason (just to satisfy his Hollywood lust), showed off an almost naked sniper (shameless). On top of that he replaced Hayter who gave away half of his pay check for TTS, promoted Kojima's game everywhere he went for free by praising the series and doing his amazing voice. Tell me, whether Sutherland would have done the same? Not a chance.
In the end we got a game that had phenomenal gameplay with garbage story, tons of content cut and Chapter 2 which does not deserve to call a Chapter.
Konami did nothing wrong. They got fed up and rightly fired him.
If you want to know how egoistic Kojima has become just check out some articles when he announced his Sony partnership. Sony has no say how he works etc. In short, it will be another 5-7 years before we see his next game.
On the other hand, we have brilliant developers like CDPR who developer Witcher 3 in just 3 years.
Kojima is overrated. That is the bottom line.
Really this is nothing but media spin.
Kojima was given 7 years to make a new engine and MGS5. He had two things and he did not delivered on the latter.
Instead he wasted his time on Twitter, Got Sutherland for no reason (just to satisfy his Hollywood lust), showed off an almost naked sniper (shameless). On top of that he replaced Hayter who gave away half of his pay check for TTS, promoted Kojima's game everywhere he went for free by praising the series and doing his amazing voice. Tell me, whether Sutherland would have done the same? Not a chance.
In the end we got a game that had phenomenal gameplay with garbage story, tons of content cut and Chapter 2 which does not deserve to call a Chapter.
Konami did nothing wrong. They got fed up and rightly fired him.
If you want to know how egoistic Kojima has become just check out some articles when he announced his Sony partnership. Sony has no say how he works etc. In short, it will be another 5-7 years before we see his next game.
On the other hand, we have brilliant developers like CDPR who developer Witcher 3 in just 3 years.
Kojima is overrated. That is the bottom line.
Demanufacture
Banned
It's beautiful, isn't it?
snake_eater_raiden
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Roland1979
Junior Member
Don't Hayte on me bro.
Pretty much, honestly I don't get why people are calling him salty and unable to let go when it just so happens that everything else he could talk about with journalists besides Metal Gear Solid apparently just isn't interesting enough to interview about.
Honestly if I could find just one interview about his work on Dragon Age Inquisition or his thoughts so far on Bloodstained I'd be happy, although I'm sure if there was one it'd be asking him about Metal Gear Solid too.
I agree with this 100%.
There is only so much money a publisher can keep on pumping into a project. After so many delays, so much wasted money (was it 15 songs ended up unused?), a huge number of compromises (the beginning of the game was cut out and sold separately ffs) and the final product was 'still' shipped unfinished.
Who the eff would have kept a dude with such piss poor management skills around?
It's difficult to see how anyone could describe Kojima as a "one of the greats" developer. He'd have been jettisoned from a million other companies long before Konami sacked him.
Edit : and for all the fuss and drama, Snake only spoke like four lines. Hayter may as well have stayed on.
KOMANI
KOMANI
It's not sarcasm, going through this thread especially, it's hard to find like minded people;
People, who's opinions are guided through logic and common sense.
SolidSnakex
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So are we just going to ignore how Konami just dumped Team SIlent out of the blue? Or how they dumped IGA's Castlevania's in favor of Mercurysteam's? Or how they pretty much dumped all AAA games in general?
BlitzerRadic
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Dude might be a nobody today if it wasnt for Kojima giving him the role as Snake so he needs to put his ego in check and stfu. Actors get replaced all the time.
snake_eater_raiden
Member
Exactly, in fact in one of the interviews I read he would make a certain music composer work over and over again. He would like them and the make them change again. In the end he won't even use them.
This is really poor practice. No employee would work like that...Konami might have received complaints from fellow staff about his behavior with staff. I know this is speculation but hey, everything in the Konami/Kojima drama has been nothing but a big speculation.
But if I would have to choose between Konami and Kojima, I would choose Konami as the innocent party.
To Far Away Times
Member
He's right though.
His Snake voice is iconic. There was nothing wrong his performance. Konami was just chasing more money and wanted a bigger name but it's a big middle finger to fans of the previous games.
His Snake voice is iconic. There was nothing wrong his performance. Konami was just chasing more money and wanted a bigger name but it's a big middle finger to fans of the previous games.
Here's my 2 cents on the issue:
I still love Kojima, and will continue to support him. (I'm looking forward to his new game, whatever it ends up being.)
I still love Hayter, and will continue to support him, too. (I'm pretty hyped for him to be in Bloodstained, and I always keep an eye out for his name on things.)
That said, Hayter not being in MGSV was a damn shame, especially considering the way it was handled by Kojima and/or Konami.
It's a good thing TPP is about as essential to the plot of Metal Gear as PW and POps.
I still love Kojima, and will continue to support him. (I'm looking forward to his new game, whatever it ends up being.)
I still love Hayter, and will continue to support him, too. (I'm pretty hyped for him to be in Bloodstained, and I always keep an eye out for his name on things.)
That said, Hayter not being in MGSV was a damn shame, especially considering the way it was handled by Kojima and/or Konami.
It's a good thing TPP is about as essential to the plot of Metal Gear as PW and POps.
snake_eater_raiden
Member
And still people would say "HE WAS AMAZING WHEN THOSE LINES WERE SPOKEN" and at the same time Hayter's performance as Snake for several games would just be thrown in a garbage bin.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I think the new direction for Castlevania was wrong. After the MGSV drama, I'm not surprised Konami left the AAA space for something more profitable (as any smart business would). But just because a company changes direction into something I don't particularly like doesn't make it "evil".
Edit: I'm acutely aware this is moving too far off topic now.
Acquiescence
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I fell out of love with MGS a long time ago, but I will maintain that Hayter's performance as Snake was always among the highlights of every installment I played, even if he wasn't exactly the most nuanced and seasoned of actors. There's a pulpy quality to his Solid Snake, and it felt like his role and character. Once he was replaced, it pretty much removed the last bit of interest I had in the franchise. I've not played MGS5 and I'm never going to.
I'll agree with the folks here who say that he had been getting progressively worse with each subsequent entry though. If you compare his work in MGS1 to the one in MGS4, he actually delivers a better acting performance in the first game. Doesn't really make sense since an actor should improve the more they hone their craft, but for whatever reason he just didn't convince nearly as much as Old Snake.
And of course there are people here treating Kojima like a sacred cow who can do no wrong. His unhealthy obsession with Hollywood talent and tendency to mismanage a project/pour money down a sinkhole is far too often glossed over by those who believe he's the best thing since sliced bread. As much as I hate what Konami have become, it's so easy to see why they fired him before development on MGS5 had even finished.
I'll agree with the folks here who say that he had been getting progressively worse with each subsequent entry though. If you compare his work in MGS1 to the one in MGS4, he actually delivers a better acting performance in the first game. Doesn't really make sense since an actor should improve the more they hone their craft, but for whatever reason he just didn't convince nearly as much as Old Snake.
And of course there are people here treating Kojima like a sacred cow who can do no wrong. His unhealthy obsession with Hollywood talent and tendency to mismanage a project/pour money down a sinkhole is far too often glossed over by those who believe he's the best thing since sliced bread. As much as I hate what Konami have become, it's so easy to see why they fired him before development on MGS5 had even finished.
Come on, son.
I find it ironic to make an confrontative argument on Kojima's lust for Hollywood when looking at Metal Gear of all things.
What is TTS? The Twin Snakes? That half-baked caricature of Metal Gear Solid? Ha!
HA! Hayter should have kept his full pay check.
Of course he did, which voice actor or anyone who worked on Metal Gear didn't use this opportunity.
I love the Witcher 3 fan wank in every other thread. The Witcher does not have half of the cultural impact nor the influence of the Metal Gear series. Not even close, like not at all.
No he wouldn't have been jettisoned by anyone. In fact he had many studios asking him to work with him after he left Konami.
SolidSnakex
Member
The point is that Konami simply wanted out of AAA development in general. There wasn't any particular thing wrong with KojiPro's budgets other than the fact that they were AAA and Konami no longer wanted to be in that space. Keep in mind that Konami's president is the one that asked Kojima to make Silent Hills. So he did that knowing that it would be an expensive endeavor. Also worth keeping in mind that as far as rumored budgets go for open-world games, MGSV is actually quite cheap. Which is pretty amazing considering that it was released on five platforms and was polished on every one of them.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
There were better artists with worse practices and you're forgetting that Kojima isn't exactly out of work when this "really poor practice" would be known to anyone when armchair CEOs on forums seem to be experts on it.
eot
Banned
I don't know if his performance was the result of Kojima's direction, or if it was just his portrayal of the character, but as iconic as it may be I think it's shit. Dude needs to accept that it's a job like any other and while he was part of the series for a long time that doesn't automatically grant him the role in perpetuity. Being so salty in public over and over just makes him look bad.
potatohead
Member
Dunno about overrated, but it definitely seems he was acting like a Diva/Hollywood bro too much.
He hurt his own game in the end IMO, that's the most damning thing.
Just legit EL OH EL'd.
SolidSnakex
Member
You okay dude?
Like what point are you trying to make by picking apart his post and segmentally kneejerking it?
Stallion Dan
Member
Replacing Hayter with a likely much more expensive VA who didn't end up saying much at all is probably one of the dumb decisions that led to Kojima being fired and MGSV ending up an unfinished mess, so Hayter gets the last laugh.
Oh good, we're finally at the point of the reality distortion field in which we ignore how much talent Konami has driven away over the past decade, with reports of how poorly they've treated their employees in that time, and somehow it's still Kojima's fault that Konami is the bad guy.
Clairvoyance
Member
Fanboys being fanboys.
KojiKnight
Member
How a grown up would handle that situation.
"Hey David, I appreciate the work you've done with the series over the years, but we're going to go a different route for Snake's voice this game."
How Kojima handled it.
He didn't. He did nothing and left Hayter to call Konami to be told he wouldn't be needed. After 2 decades you honestly don't think Hayter deserved at least a phone call?
KOMANI
KOMANI
That's right. It was Konami's decision for Hayter sounding the way he does in both 4 and PW. Konami came into the recording booth, and dictated Zimmerman and Hayter to do that voice.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
But I was disappointed by his game, so obviously he must be the bad guy. This is fact.