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[neorej]

Don't remember Nolan shooting Robin in the face

Though that scene where it turns out whatever the fuck Joseph Gordon Levitts character's name was had the middle name Robin was pretty close to cinematic horror

I never said it was a successful attempt

 

[RDreamer]

when Alfred gives Bruce that whole speech about "things have changed" after "we were always criminals" I figured, "ok, either Batman is pissed cause of Robin dying (maybe recently in this world), or because of Superman, so now he's a bit more extreme, maybe he kills. I hate that but I accept it as a reason cause maybe Superman will show him the good in humankind and he'll revert back"

Did you miss the ending? Because that was kind of a large theme of the movie...

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

 

[kurahador]

The way he's grimmacing while dragging that boat is the one that got me. Make it look like a chore, why dontcha.

I think Snyder thought taking inspiration from Kingdom Come's Superman would looks awesome on screen, doesn't matter how cognitive dissonance those scenes are.

 

[Salsa]

Did you miss the ending? Because that was kind of a large theme of the movie...

I meant in a way where he'd stop killing, or realize the error of his recent ways, tho really idk if "real" batman would forgive himself easily

establish in some way that the killing people is recent, it's motivated by something tragic (superman doesnt make sense cause he's mad about HIM letting people die), and make it go full circle in the end, in a better way. Batman still kills henchmen right after supposedly understanding Superman, or humanity better, or going back, or whatever

it's not "movie is subtle lol you dummy you didnt catch it"

they just dont commit to it, it'd actually make it interesting

 

[Salsa]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

there'll be a pivotal moment where some decision makes shit get fucked and Batman will have that knowledge to make the correct one, I gather

I dont think, nor hope, we see actually anything remotely similar to that dream, or that version of barry allen

 

[RDreamer]

I meant in a way where he'd stop killing, or realize the error of his recent ways, tho really idk if "real" batman would forgive himself easily

establish in some way that the killing people is recent, it's motivated by something tragic (superman doesnt make sense cause he's mad about HIM letting people die), and make it go full circle in the end, in a better way

it's not "movie is subtle lol you dummy you didnt catch it"

they just dont commit to it, it'd actually make it interesting

I mean, what you are saying is exactly what I got from the movie. I'm pretty sure we'll see more of the arc in the next movie, but the theme of Superman being the hope to bring Batman back to his right path was pretty obvious to me.

In the end he states something like "I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death."

And then the ending quote: "Man is still good. We break things, tear them down, but we can rebuild. We can be better, we have to be."

There's also so much more to Bruce's conflict than Superman let someone die...

 

[duckroll]

I think Snyder thought taking inspiration from Kingdom Come's Superman would looks awesome on screen, doesn't matter how cognitive dissonance those scenes are.

That's Snyder in a nutshell though. He has great visual ideas, his inspirations are always very interesting, but as a storyteller he likes to fly before he can even crawl. He takes extreme shortcuts to get to the scenes he wants to show, without contemplating enough on the natural process and development to get there.

 

[- J - D -]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

Darkseid as Clark's Emperor Palpatine? Could work.

 

[Dead]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

A redemptive act doesn't really make sense as this movie ends with Superman mourned as a hero by the world.

For what its worth Snyder has said anything teased in this movie is directly tied into their plans, and they didn't write that stuff in and expect to figure it out later.

 

[Salsa]

That's Snyder in a nutshell though. He has great visual ideas, his inspirations are always very interesting, but as a storyteller he likes to fly before he can even crawl. He takes extreme shortcuts to get to the scenes he wants to show, without contemplating enough on the natural process and development to get there.

first hour of the movie is literally random scenes that could almost take place in whatever other order he wanted

 

[Boss Doggie]

why are people so damn obsessed with "supes going all evil lols"

 

[RDreamer]

I was conversing with a good friend on Facebook about the movie and I thought I'd post what I said here, too. Some of it may be a bit weird because I was responding specifically to something he said, but I think it does a decent job of getting out some of my thoughts on the Batman depiction in the film:

Maybe part of this comes down to how you view the Batman mythos before going into this movie. I feel like my take on Batman as a whole matches up with Snyder's and also with how Snyder wanted to portray him here. Batman is intelligent in certain ways, yes, but he's very lacking in others. His parents murder messing him up has always been one of the biggest parts of his motivation and narrative, and this movie pushed that a lot, too. We've had decades of GET OVER IT BATMAN sort of memes. It's odd that we'd expect him to here suddenly. It's a big deal. It's one of the biggest deals in his entire character and the mythos of Batman.

Now, I don't subscribe to the thought that Batman didn't entirely think of Superman as not a human. There are a few other factors going on. The big thing was that when Wayne tower was falling in Metropolis he what sort of person was he there helping? A little girl who lost her mom. An orphan now, because of Superman. That's basically Batman's trigger. It's something he's very much not rational about and never has been in almost any story I can remember. Yes it’s a bit troubling, but it always has been. That’s the cornerstone of his character.

There's a rather important conversation with Alfred that talks about his other real motivation. He talks about how Superman is good now, but then says "How many of the good ones stayed good?" reflecting on all the stories we know about Gotham and Batman. This guy has been going after thugs for decades. He barely sees the good in anyone anymore. Everyone has either died or turned bad. So it isn't just that he's not "human," it's that he can't stay good. No one stays good. Even Batman himself doesn't stay good, as evidenced in this movie. If Superman is creating orphans and destruction like that while "good," what could he do if he ever turned? A lot. More than all of Gotham's thugs combined. It could do so much that Bruce is now worried about his legacy. Nothing he's done matters up until this point once you have gods that can fly through buildings and practically blow up the planet. It's full on existential crisis at this point. That’s why his behavior gets even more erratic and violent. What does it matter if he’s truly just if someone like Superman exists? So he starts branding people and his no-kill policy obviously gets a bit flimsier. It has to get flimsy. He can’t lock up superman. In order to rid himself of this, and in order to have that legacy he spoke of in the film, he has to KILL Superman. Once he sets out on that quest and once that crisis begins there isn’t any turning back.

That crisis also builds on another big part of the Batman mythos that I subscribe to. He's usually portrayed as only barely more sane than the people he's locking up. He's a nutcase. He dresses in a bat suit and scares criminals based on his parents being killed as a kid. His motivation belongs in the same psych files as those he goes after. This movie touched on him actually acknowledging that fact. He even states it when he says, "We're criminals, Alfred." So to me the Batman mythos has largely been playing with this mirror of Batman and his "enemies." Often it plays with questions of "What is the difference between them," "What is the same about them," and also "Does Batman see any of these things himself?" I loved that mirror effect when it's pointed at Superman.

That mirror is partially what’s happening when Martha is uttered. As I said up there, orphans and the death of his parents are kind of the biggest deals to this man. It’s the first event we see when the movie opens. It’s why he’s Batman. He’s not entirely rational about it. It isn’t that “martha” is just uttered that he stops, it’s when he hears that it’s Superman’s mother. Superman is no longer a faceless god. He has a mother. I know you’re laughing now because obviously he’d have a mother! Well I mean he is an alien so really who knows . In all seriousness though, it holds that mirror up to Batman. It shows him that they are the same. It forces that to his view. Not only that, though, it gives him a chance at redemption. His entire being is built on the helplessness that he couldn’t save his mother and father and now he has a chance to save “Martha.” It’s redemption for him. That’s why it’s so important that he has to be the one to save her. He doesn’t just let Superman go at this point to save his own mother. HE has to do it.

And then I just have to say I love how the arc closes out, then. Superman, by sacrificing himself, proved Batman wrong and showed there’s still good in the world. Superman didn’t turn bad. Despite the world being against him at times and despite being hunted by Batman, Superman stayed on the righteous path and ended justly. He became the beacon of hope that his symbol was supposed to be, not only to humanity but to Batman. Batman’s path is now righted. The movie bookends itself with two funerals that have a profound impact on Batman’s path to justice. In the beginning it’s the death of his parents and then in the end it’s Superman. With the first he took the path to becoming Batman because of his “failings” and with the second one he reclaimed that path again because of those “failings.” As he said in the end, "I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death."

In the end he has hope from Superman and he's redeemed because he saved Martha. This is perfectly shown by the bookend quotes in the movie. It starts with "There was a time above, a time before. There were perfect things, diamond absolutes. But things fall. And what falls, is fallen." and then it ends with "Man is still good. We break things, tear them down, but we can rebuild. We can be better, we have to be." Those quotes show the stark difference in his mentality and in his path.

The other cool thing about this path is that Batman is a metaphor for the people of earth throughout this, too. He represents mankind, and so by Superman being hope for Batman, he is hope for humanity, too. Throughout the movie it’s mentioned that Batman represents humanity (Lex jokes about this). I think that’s largely what Snyder was trying to get at. Batman is one of the most “human” superheroes that exists so I think he’s a perfect metaphor. Like humanity he wasn’t ready for gods. He wasn’t ready for Superman.

 

[Salsa]

I mean, what you are saying is exactly what I got from the movie. I'm pretty sure we'll see more of the arc in the next movie, but the theme of Superman being the hope to bring Batman back to his right path was pretty obvious to me.

In the end he states something like "I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death."

And then the ending quote: "Man is still good. We break things, tear them down, but we can rebuild. We can be better, we have to be."

There's also so much more to Bruce's conflict than Superman let someone die...

this whole thing would work so much better for me if at that henchmen fight right after comfronting Superman we'd see him actually knock out those henchmen

dude with grenade? pull it away from him with a batarang

at the end, where he's actually like, taking a moment to think, and he says "I believe you" when he's gonna kill Martha?

perfect moment to have that bit of reflection be "no, im better than that" in his head and incapacitate him without killing him.

this could perfectly be that moment, would drive those themes you "got", and it'd have a lot more meaning than "cool henchmen fight"

 

[Brakke]

I never really got this "Snyder does good visuals" angle. Like... his visuals so often communicate things he doesn't intend to communicate. That... makes them bad.

Like Superman smiling coyly before absolutely pasting that brown terrorist dude. That's a horrific visual that Snyder thinks is an endearing moment between lovers, but it's really just showing that Superman is a selfish maniac murderer guy. Blasting out the back of the wall is a "cool" visual, but also Superman held a man in his arms as that dude's back shattered and then gelied on supersonic contact with a concrete wall...

 

[duckroll]

why are people so damn obsessed with "supes going all evil lols"

Because they like the boy scout of Krypton like you like buff naked animal dudes. It's important to them.

 

[RDreamer]

this whole thing would work so much better for me if at that henchmen fight right after comfronting Superman we'd see him actually knock out those henchmen

dude with grenade? pull it away from him with a batarang

at the end, where he's actually like, taking a moment to think, and he says "I believe you" when he's gonna kill Martha?

perfect moment to have that bit of reflection be "no, im better than that" in his head and incapacitate him without killing him.

this could perfectly be that moment, would drive those themes you "got", and it'd have a lot more meaning than "cool henchmen fight"

Superman hasn't died yet at that point. He hasn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he hasn't turned bad. That point in the movie is still a bit of a gray area, though you can still tell he's improved. He's trying to redeem himself. It's Superman's death that puts the nail in the coffin so to say.

 

[Salsa]

I never really got this "Snyder does good visuals" angle. Like... his visuals so often communicate things he doesn't intend to communicate. That... makes them bad.

yeah, I dont think people mean the actual meaning behind him

they just mean "he does cool slow-mo shit"

wayne parents dead, with that shot of the gun grabbing the necklace from martha's "neck perspective" basically was cool

that whole scene was "cool"

tho it did bother me that it took place in the fuckin front door of the theatre and not on Crime Alley..

 

[Gurrry]

I think Esienberg was actually pretty bad now that I think about it. But I still liked the movie and how it sets up the future films.

I just dont think he was a good choice for this role. Hopefully he can redeem himself next time.

 

[Salsa]

Superman hasn't died yet at that point. He hasn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he hasn't turned bad. That point in the movie is still a bit of a gray area, though you can still tell he's improved. He's trying to redeem himself. It's Superman's death that puts the nail in the coffin so to say.

but why tho? why is he killing people because Superman maybe turned bad?

like I said, I wouldnt think thats his motivation to start killing. I dont think he started killing because of the Superman / Wayne tower thing. He's lamenting the death of innocent life, and then killing random low level thugs?

Jason Todd's death, maybe. Cause that was caused by a criminal, the kind of people he forgave before already. And you get more of a thing out of that shot of Robin's costume with Joker graffiti

 

[RDreamer]

but why tho? why is he killing people because Superman maybe turned bad?

like I said, I wouldnt think thats his motivation to start killing

Jason Todd's death, maybe. And you get more of a thing out of that shot of Robin's costume with Joker graffiti

Read my huge quote here.

 

[- J - D -]

Snyder's opening sequences are usually on point, and BvS is no different if you ignore the bats lifting bruce out of the well. I mean, I get what it's going for, but it looks super dumb regardless.

 

[Salsa]

Read my huge quote here.

tall order

but I did

I think you're actually not disagreeing with me but not seeing it

you're making your interpretation and reading too much into a movie that needed a better, stronger scripts if this were in fact the themes it was trying to convey and not just open enough to interpretation

its weak. These are big enough moral themes and shifts for these characters to make them more of a focus, or at least way clearer, in the movie. It's a good perspective, but this film needs it to be THE perspective, so drive it home harder.

 

[Monocle]

I was conversing with a good friend on Facebook about the movie and I thought I'd post what I said here, too. Some of it may be a bit weird because I was responding specifically to something he said, but I think it does a decent job of getting out some of my thoughts on the Batman depiction in the film:

Good perspective. Thanks for posting.

Because they like the boy scout of Krypton like you like buff naked animal dudes. It's important to them.

Roasted tbh.

 

[inky]

That's Snyder in a nutshell though. He has great visual ideas, his inspirations are always very interesting, but as a storyteller he likes to fly before he can even crawl. He takes extreme shortcuts to get to the scenes he wants to show, without contemplating enough on the natural process and development to get there.

God, isn't this just the truth.

Snyder is the kind of guy who would kill Superman just so he gets to film a shot where the American flag is sliding off a black casket branded with his symbol. I wouldn't be surprised if secretly that was his whole motivation behind that.

 

[Dead]

I was conversing with a good friend on Facebook about the movie and I thought I'd post what I said here, too. Some of it may be a bit weird because I was responding specifically to something he said, but I think it does a decent job of getting out some of my thoughts on the Batman depiction in the film:

I mean, all of that is spelled out pretty well in the film, I don't think there is much debate, that very much sums up the intent. He put it together nicely though.

 

[Malfunky]

I love Superman. I have read some great stories featuring him. I have seen him done so wonderfully on screen, most notably in the DC animated universe. There is just something so elementally, simply, powerfully pleasing about his presence in that fiction.

IS killing him the only way a lazy writer can try to force interest in the character? They did it with this film. They did it in Superman Returns. They did it in that awful 90's event with that awful villain Doomsday. Has this trope ever left a mark? Has it ever actually meant anything to anyone? How can it? Especially since the audience knows he's going to come come back.

I mean, that whole last quarter of the movie in particular was so hokey and obvious. And none of it was earned. None of it was properly built up to. I feel like I only care in particular because I have a connection to the characters outside of the film. But this death of Superman stuff is just never, ever satisfying. It's always so empty. And you know what? Kinda insulting to the audience.

... but i enjoyed the movie overall. really.

 

[broncobuster]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

I'll say this now, ready to be proven wrong in time. Flash's message is deliberately vague.

"You were right about him." For all we know, Bruce's plea to recruit the members is forewarning of an alien thread. The him in question can be Darkseid. Are they all going to believe him based on his feeling? Maybe The Flash will. Aquaman, wouldn't be surprised he adopts a surface world? not my problem tone. Cyborg will be coming to grips with his new body.

Personally, I'd love it if Batman fails to recruit the Justice League. But when Superman gets revived, they all rally behind him.

 

[Salsa]

so stupid that they played it like a dream sequence

another dream sequence

bet they wont even explain that, either, ever. The fact that he "woke up" right after it

grow balls film

 

[D.Lo]

Snyder's opening sequences are usually on point, and BvS is no different if you ignore the bats lifting bruce out of the well. I mean, I get what it's going for, but it looks super dumb regardless.

Dream sequence or not, I was yelling 'no no no!' at the bat lifting lol.

 

[RDreamer]

tall order

but I did

I think you're actually not disagreeing with me but not seeing it

you're making your interpretation and reading too much into a movie that needed a better, stronger scripts if this were in fact the themes it was trying to convey and not just open enough to interpretation

its weak. These are big enough moral themes and shifts for these characters to make them more of a focus, or at least way clearer, in the movie. It's a good perspective, but this film needs it to be THE perspective, so drive it home harder.

You say it's not clear and I'm reading too much, yet that stuff is spot on exactly what I was feeling and seeing during the movie. It was clear to me. I don't really know what else to say.

I mean, all of that is spelled out pretty well in the film, I don't think there is much debate, that very much sums up the intent. He put it together nicely though.

That was actually my own thoughts.

 

[Salsa]

I thought the bat lifting was gonna transition in contemporary batman gliding through the air or something

I was ready for it to be cool is what I mean

but yeah

 

[Salsa]

You say it's not clear and I'm reading too much, yet that stuff is spot on exactly what I was feeling and seeing during the movie. It was clear to me. I don't really know what else to say.

there aint much to say, tho, its opinions

I just think in a film that starts off with Batman straight up breaking his own only rule, you should have a script that shows this is a CHANGE for him in a stronger way

have him be meaner, to Alfred, to everyone, even. This is not the usual Batman, make a thing of it. he barely gets a bit yelly but Alfred still very clearly cares for him and allows everything

Alfred is batman's baromether. It'd be cool if he was introduced as being really not cool with this more extreme, killing Batman

he only says "everything's changed" and that "this is how people get cruel" bit, but he's still very posh and funny and oh master bruce

I loooooooooooooooove the idea of the film having a 20 YEAR OLD acting Batman, so I'd have absolutely no problem with some relationships showing up in a different way than we're used to. Him being in conflict with people like Alfred cause he fuckin lost hope.

it'd be great

 

[Malfunky]

I'll say this now, ready to be proven wrong in time. Flash's message is deliberately vague.

"You were right about him." For all we know, Bruce's plea to recruit the members is forewarning of an alien thread. The him in question can be Darkseid. Are they all going to believe him based on his feeling? Maybe The Flash will. Aquaman, wouldn't be surprised he adopts a surface world? not my problem tone. Cyborg will be coming to grips with his new body.

Personally, I'd love it if Batman fails to recruit the Justice League. But when Superman gets revived, they all rally behind him.

I would accept the idea of vagueness in the Flash's words if Lois Lane wasn't specifically emphasized. It's got to be about Superman, right? Even so, I still thought that scene was ominous and haunting, if not weird as fuck and completely out of place -- and maybe even powerful in it's own way because of that.

or i could be making excuses for it

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'm curious just how much the extended cut will change things.

Thirty minutes is a significant amount of footage.

 

[RDreamer]

there aint much to say, tho, its opinions

I just think in a film that starts off with Batman straight up breaking his own only rule, you should have a script that shows this is a CHANGE for him in a stronger way

have him be meaner, to Alfred, to everyone, even. This is not the usual Batman, make a thing of it. he barely gets a bit yelly but Alfred still very clearly cares for him and allows everything

Sure they could have played it up a bit more. My problem with this is that they had a logical reason for what was going on and however subtle, the reasoning was actually in the movie. The same cannot really be said for literally every other Batman movie ever where he's killed.

 

[Brakke]

I'm curious just how much the extended cut will change things.

Thirty minutes is a significant amount of footage.

"I'mma fix BvS"

 

[Salsa]

I doubt the director cut will make the film necessarely better

but I bet there's a ton of shit in there

movie's kind of an editing / script mess in many ways

example A:

- batmobile chase to get kryptonite

- fails

- immediatly tracks kryptonite, gets it off screen

why?

why not get the kryptonite in the batmobile chase then? why is that there? he got interrupted by Superman, sure, but have it so the van got wrecked and he picked it up? or something

I wanna think there's a point to it in the director's cut. shit like that.


then again I guess the "batarang left in "crime" scene as hint it was batman! (why hint that)" is COOL IMAGERY and this is Snyder

 

[Boss Doggie]

it just dawned to me that we will never get a Kingdom Come adaptation, movie or animation

sad, because it had the perfect man vs super conflict yet somehow I feel like it wouldn't appeal to the general people

Because they like the boy scout of Krypton like you like buff naked animal dudes. It's important to them.

yeah but I don't turn mine into evil out of character stuff with questionable care

 

[Nostremitus]

We have no idea how this Flash's time travel powers work in the Snyderverse otherwise we should ask the even more simple question as to why The Flash didn't just travel physically to the past and talk to Bruce instead of appearing through some weird dream, portal thing?

There's a theory that it wasn't a dream at all, but Bruce's mind being assaulted by memories from his future self as the two timelines were converging. When he snaps out of it, you can still see papers being blown around in the background showing that it wasn't a dream.

 

[Gleethor]

I really did not expect them to even remotely hint at time travel/alternate reality shenanigans in just the second DCEU film but here we are.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I really did not expect them to even remotely hint at time travel/alternate reality shenanigans in just the second DCEU film but here we are.

It's vintage DC, go for sheer batshit crazy.

 

[The Silver]

JL is gonna be full blown crisis on infinite earths, Zack's gotta ramp this shit up even faster brehs.

 

[Dalek]

I doubt the director cut will make the film necessarely better

but I bet there's a ton of shit in there

movie's kind of an editing / script mess in many ways

example A:

- batmobile chase to get kryptonite

- fails

- immediatly tracks kryptonite, gets it off screen

why?

why not get the kryptonite in the batmobile chase then? why is that there? he got interrupted by Superman, sure, but have it so the van got wrecked and he picked it up? or something

I wanna think there's a point to it in the director's cut. shit like that.


then again I guess the "batarang left in "crime" scene as hint it was batman! (why hint that)" is COOL IMAGERY and this is Snyder

Shit-you're right. That's really dumb.

I'm curious just how much the extended cut will change things.

Thirty minutes is a significant amount of footage.

It will answer once and for all what was really in the jar.

 

[Salsa]

Shit-you're right. That's really dumb.

"I shot a tracker on this van. I could follow it silently or remotely and ill end up doing that anyway but I wanna murder people with the batmobile fammm"

 

[ricelord]

Just seen the movie, fucking story/plot was all over the place.

 

[Salsa]

also, I finished Arkham Knight yesterday and I laughed at straight up weapon disruptors, vertical takedown, double parry, knife dodging

someone here played some arkham games

and that's good

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

also, I finished Arkham Knight yesterday and I laughed at straight up weapon disruptors, vertical takedown, double parry, knife dodging

someone here played some arkham games

and that's good

The grapple pulling the enemy towards you then punch their face into the pavement was straight out of the Arkham games too. Loved that fight so much.

 

[Alienous]

I really think Superman was the missing soul of this film.

If this movie made me really like Superman, even if it was their portrayal of the character, I think the movie could have worked a lot better overall with no other changes.

That should have been the focus after Man of Steel - giving Superman a compelling arc as a character. Even in the final fight he's the most glum person there, and he's standing next to Batman.

Someone said it earlier in the thread but it would have been nice to see him do something endearing that didn't require his powers, so that you like the dude behind the heat-vision.

 

[neorej]

Hey, just now wondering, considering Flash's words, the ominous nature of them, the vision of what's apparently a fucked up future, and Flash flat out telling Bruce "You were right! You were always right!"

Is Snyder's big plan for Superman to basically turn him into Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader?

is that how Justice League is supposed to work? Superman saves us all as his last redemptive act?

Not that I think this is a great call - I think it's shitty. But I can also see that being a thing Snyder would fuck with. It's not like he seems to understand why stories work on a fundamental level. I could see him thinking Vader's story could/should map onto Clark's.

He refers to "him", not Superman. It could be anybody, Flash even implies that by saying "Am I too soon?". It could be that there's a new guy we haven't seen yet.